I just don't understand why Apple wants to wage this war. I have called applications "apps" for years. I honestly think it has something to do with the fact that "app" just happens to be the first 3 letters of "Apple".
Maybe they should also trademark the work appendectomy. Or appendage.
Perfect example of how trademarks and patents have gotten out of control. There is nothing on an iPad that wasn't on star trek 20 years ago. App store is too generic. Why not trademark "Department Store" or even the Apple "Retail Store?"
Only thing that matters is what he legal system thinks. No one gives a shit what Apple thinks, doesn't even matter what is true only what you can prove. Also grow up and give up on the fandroid bullshit. You sound like a wuss.
They're not burning bridges. Look how they fucked over Apple (the music label) by using the Apple name in violation of their previous agreement. That ended up with Apple (the no-longer computer company) having the opportunity to sell the Beatles catalog.
If the past is any indication of the future, Apple can do whatever underhanded crap they want and still make more profits than before. Don't bet against them. Money talks.
You are misinformed about Apple ( Computer ) versus Apple Corps (record company )
They didn't f-over Apple Corps. There were several disputes in the 1980's that Apple Corps won. Then there were further settlements in the early 90's. These were all things that are ridiculous by today's standards. A record company preventing a computer company from having a MIDI controller, recording music, playing digital music. This all got worked out in the 90's. All because of a trademark. Nevertheless, Apple Computer paid for their use.
After working the final judgement in 2007 Apple Computer ended up buying the entirety of the Apple Corps trademark for $500M and licensing the music and recording aspect of it back to Apple Corps.
This is not in any way comparable to Apple's trademark on "App store", since Amazon's use of the trademarked name is for the exact same use.
Amazon is arguing that the trademark is too generic. ( and it may be )
Sure, it's more accurately referred to as a service mark but that's just a trademark for a service rather than a physical product. It's also very common as it's still most commonly written as two words rather than one. Etymologically speaking you can see the evolution of terms from multiple words, to hyphenated words to a single word and it usually shows a pattern of common usage.
(1) Apple should aggressively, unrelentingly, repeatedly go after the copyists to protect its IP. There is no point in seeking IP protection if you can't defend its use. (2) No need to weep for Apple. There are no relevant bridges being burnt (except those that the trolls are protecting).
Are you suggesting that Apple owners are so dumb that they would purchase apps in the Amazon Appstore?
Sorry about the comment I went back and edited it out. I still disagree the Fandroid comment is needed. Clearly Apple is a company the vast majority of people love and love their products. If that wasn't the case they wouldn't be selling 26 million iPhones a quarter. I was never gone, I simply find the forum unproductive because most threads end up like this one.
I also find it hard to believe that somehow the average consumer is going to get confused what App Store they are using. We have 10 year old kids using iPhones and iPads. Clearly this isn't rocket science.
Google has "Google Play" (formerly "Android Market")
Microsoft has "Marketplace"
Apple has "App Store"
Amazon has "Appstore"
And people wonder why Apple is mad? Use the exact same term as Apple, but take out the space between "App" and "store". Come on, Amazon, everyone else has unique names - you can't even spend 5 minutes to come up with your own?
Apple deserves to win the TM for App Store, but in terms of Apps as a word, yes definitely heard it for years. Like the ol' HS guidance counselor asking if I submitted all my college apps yet or not. Ah, those were the days.
Google has "Google Play" (formerly "Android Market")
Microsoft has "Marketplace"
Apple has "App Store"
Amazon has "Appstore"
And people wonder why Apple is mad? Use the exact same term as Apple, but take out the space between "App" and "store". Come on, Amazon, everyone else has unique names - you can't even spend 5 minutes to come up with your own?
Come on, Apple, everyone else has unique names - you can't even spend 5 minutes to come up with your own instead of taking the name from a piece of fruit?
Blackberry has "App World"
Google has "Google Play" (formerly "Android Market")
Microsoft has "Marketplace"
Apple has "App Store"
Amazon has "Appstore"
And people wonder why Apple is mad? Use the exact same term as Apple, but take out the space between "App" and "store". Come on, Amazon, everyone else has unique names - you can't even spend 5 minutes to come up with your own?
Amazon has Amazon Appstore which I don't think is confusing since it's always presented in that way. Unless Apple can show that iPhone users are going to Amazon's site to buy apps that don't work on their iDevices I don't think Apple has a case they can win.
Amazon has Amazon Appstore which I don't think is confusing since it's always presented in that way. Unless Apple can show that iPhone users are going to Amazon's site to buy apps that don't work on their iDevices I don't think Apple has a case they can win.
What about the 'idiot salesman' angle of the argument?
Blackberry has "App World"
Google has "Google Play" (formerly "Android Market")
Microsoft has "Marketplace"
Apple has "App Store"
Amazon has "Appstore"
And people wonder why Apple is mad? Use the exact same term as Apple, but take out the space between "App" and "store". Come on, Amazon, everyone else has unique names - you can't even spend 5 minutes to come up with your own?
Well explained. I suspect if it were 'Amazon's Apps' or 'Apps from Amazon' etc. Apple would not have a problem but as you say, Appstore ... really?
Are you suggesting that Apple owners are so dumb that they would purchase apps in the Amazon Appstore?
If not then what is the problem?
Although I agree with you, I wouldn't be surprised if a few let's say not too bright people have tried. You know the type that'll type Google.com in their browser's address bar and then in Google's search bar type yahoo.com.
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wtf is fandroid? Is that something you 12 years old talk about now?
I just don't understand why Apple wants to wage this war. I have called applications "apps" for years. I honestly think it has something to do with the fact that "app" just happens to be the first 3 letters of "Apple".
Maybe they should also trademark the work appendectomy. Or appendage.
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I honestly think it has something to do with the fact that "app" just happens to be the first 3 letters of "Apple".
I honestly think you haven't honestly thought that through.
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Only thing that matters is what he legal system thinks. No one gives a shit what Apple thinks, doesn't even matter what is true only what you can prove. Also grow up and give up on the fandroid bullshit. You sound like a wuss.
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They're not burning bridges. Look how they fucked over Apple (the music label) by using the Apple name in violation of their previous agreement. That ended up with Apple (the no-longer computer company) having the opportunity to sell the Beatles catalog.
If the past is any indication of the future, Apple can do whatever underhanded crap they want and still make more profits than before. Don't bet against them. Money talks.
You are misinformed about Apple ( Computer ) versus Apple Corps (record company )
They didn't f-over Apple Corps. There were several disputes in the 1980's that Apple Corps won. Then there were further settlements in the early 90's. These were all things that are ridiculous by today's standards. A record company preventing a computer company from having a MIDI controller, recording music, playing digital music. This all got worked out in the 90's. All because of a trademark. Nevertheless, Apple Computer paid for their use.
After working the final judgement in 2007 Apple Computer ended up buying the entirety of the Apple Corps trademark for $500M and licensing the music and recording aspect of it back to Apple Corps.
This is not in any way comparable to Apple's trademark on "App store", since Amazon's use of the trademarked name is for the exact same use.
Amazon is arguing that the trademark is too generic. ( and it may be )
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I think I can reasonably call it a trademark...
Sure, it's more accurately referred to as a service mark but that's just a trademark for a service rather than a physical product. It's also very common as it's still most commonly written as two words rather than one. Etymologically speaking you can see the evolution of terms from multiple words, to hyphenated words to a single word and it usually shows a pattern of common usage.http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382968,00.asp
Seriously?! I know you're better than that.
And Apple is a major licensee to this day.
Agreed. Went back and edited.
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(1) Apple should aggressively, unrelentingly, repeatedly go after the copyists to protect its IP. There is no point in seeking IP protection if you can't defend its use. (2) No need to weep for Apple. There are no relevant bridges being burnt (except those that the trolls are protecting).
Are you suggesting that Apple owners are so dumb that they would purchase apps in the Amazon Appstore?
If not then what is the problem?
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Ah, welcome back....
Sorry about the comment I went back and edited it out. I still disagree the Fandroid comment is needed. Clearly Apple is a company the vast majority of people love and love their products. If that wasn't the case they wouldn't be selling 26 million iPhones a quarter. I was never gone, I simply find the forum unproductive because most threads end up like this one.
I also find it hard to believe that somehow the average consumer is going to get confused what App Store they are using. We have 10 year old kids using iPhones and iPads. Clearly this isn't rocket science.
Blackberry has "App World"
Google has "Google Play" (formerly "Android Market")
Microsoft has "Marketplace"
Apple has "App Store"
Amazon has "Appstore"
And people wonder why Apple is mad? Use the exact same term as Apple, but take out the space between "App" and "store". Come on, Amazon, everyone else has unique names - you can't even spend 5 minutes to come up with your own?
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Originally Posted by rednival
I have called applications "apps" for years.
Apple deserves to win the TM for App Store, but in terms of Apps as a word, yes definitely heard it for years. Like the ol' HS guidance counselor asking if I submitted all my college apps yet or not. Ah, those were the days.
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Blackberry has "App World"
Google has "Google Play" (formerly "Android Market")
Microsoft has "Marketplace"
Apple has "App Store"
Amazon has "Appstore"
And people wonder why Apple is mad? Use the exact same term as Apple, but take out the space between "App" and "store". Come on, Amazon, everyone else has unique names - you can't even spend 5 minutes to come up with your own?
Come on, Apple, everyone else has unique names - you can't even spend 5 minutes to come up with your own instead of taking the name from a piece of fruit?
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Groan... I lose. Time to flee to another thread....
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Amazon has Amazon Appstore which I don't think is confusing since it's always presented in that way. Unless Apple can show that iPhone users are going to Amazon's site to buy apps that don't work on their iDevices I don't think Apple has a case they can win.
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Amazon has Amazon Appstore which I don't think is confusing since it's always presented in that way. Unless Apple can show that iPhone users are going to Amazon's site to buy apps that don't work on their iDevices I don't think Apple has a case they can win.
What about the 'idiot salesman' angle of the argument?
Well explained. I suspect if it were 'Amazon's Apps' or 'Apps from Amazon' etc. Apple would not have a problem but as you say, Appstore ... really?
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I honestly think you haven't honestly thought that through.
Honestly I thought you would realize it was a joke. :-)
Although I agree with you, I wouldn't be surprised if a few let's say not too bright people have tried. You know the type that'll type Google.com in their browser's address bar and then in Google's search bar type yahoo.com.