Johnny is thinking "oh shit I knew I should have shaved today" "oh wait I did. I should have worn shorts."
Looks to me like he's trying to distract her while he sneaks an iPhone up her dress. She caught him out the corner of her eye though and was probably thinking the same thing as him. There's a reason they improved the low-light performance and stabilisation in the 4S - he knew this day would come.
I like Jonathan Ive's remarks on the design values they have at Apple. While it's easy for people who make a lot of money to say that money isn't the driving force, they demonstrate it with their products and there's no denying Ive has a strong passion for design. Other companies like to project that they hold similar values but their message comes from an auto-cue. You can't just read your values from a script, you have to live your life by them and it's the only way Apple has managed repeated success over the years.
It would be nice to see some of their other product designers once and a while too. Surely Ive isn't the only hardware designer working at Apple.
Do you get a girlfriends [start business] for sex [money]? No. But in a relationship [owning a business] is sex [money] important? Yes. If sex [money] is nonexistent will you or your partner be fired? Probably, most likely yes.
But it's not your main goal, or shouldn't be. It comes naturally by being a good partner [business owner], doing the right things. There's more to it than just sex [money]
Steve Jobs has always preached about putting product before everything else.
This is nothing new to people that know anything about Apple as it was in the beginning till now.
And in a sense it is true. Apple has taken huge scary leaps where other companies haven't. Many products they've introduce have had no proven market either, but they put the product first and took a gamble on a great product creating the market, and hopefully making money.
That tactic has worked many times, and sometimes not, but at least Apple takes the chance.
It would be nice to see some of their other product designers once and a while too. Surely Ive isn't the only hardware designer working at Apple.
I'm surprised Apple allows Ive to give interviews. Who else at Apple besides Tim Cook gives interviews (other than Phil Schiller maybe giving a few quotes after a product launch)? I don't think I've ever seen an interview with Scott Forstall.
More like pathological. Beating up on Apple users gives his life meaning. It really does.
I'm not "beating up" on anyone. I simply expressed an opinion which seems to warrant a witch hunt on here. Please feel free to put me on ignore. I'm not here to antagonise anyone and I certainly don't enjoy the abuse I get. I was simply commenting on the article I read. It's called free speech. Maybe you should go live in China or North Korea were nobody is allowed to disagree with the perceived wisdom. I'm sure you would enjoy that.
I can see the appeal to this way of thinking; only those things I can make sense of are true, therefore if I cannot make sense of it it must not be true. Very comforting. Despite it's appeal, though, it is neither rigorous nor well reasoned.
Nor is it my way of thinking, neither in this thread nor in any other context.
I'm not "beating up" on anyone. I simply expressed an opinion which seems to warrant a witch hunt on here. Please feel free to put me on ignore. I'm not here to antagonise anyone and I certainly don't enjoy the abuse I get.
Then do us all (including yourself) a favor and get lost.
Then do us all (including yourself) a favor and get lost.
Please.
Let's give Shaun a break. Historically he has been a reasonably level headed poster. He got a little of track and on the defensive just lately but I'm one of worst in that regard so I give him a pass since he clearly is not a hater troll but a good guy all 'round in my book.
Then do us all (including yourself) a favor and get lost.
Please.
Who are you to tell someone to leave? This is an open forum, if you want a closed conversation I suggest talking to yourself in a mirror, that way you'll be almost sure not to disagree with your speaker.
I've re-read the first page and can see that he expressed his opinion in one inital post, that's the point of a forum. His opinion was debatable and could be argued upon. Then he gets :
- "You're not a specialist" treatment (not a businessman),
- "that's a stupid comment"
- "are you really that obtuse"
He argues, does not insult
- "your statement is stupid", "you are a troll or delusional"
Argumentation
- "Interesting world you are living in. What's the weather like?"
- "Stop trolling"
He even deflected some attempts to mock him.
I'd kindly suggest to those who wrote those things to stop and think for a moment that this is a forum and people are supposed to tell their opinions without being attacked for no reason. In that situation, if he wasn't ready to change opinion from the start, he'd become even less susceptible to do so after your insults, but you'll never know since you didn't give him the chance to change opinion.
Let's give Shaun a break. Historically he has been a reasonably level headed poster. He got a little of track and on the defensive just lately but I'm one of worst in that regard so I give him a pass since he clearly is not a hater troll but a good guy all 'round in my book.
Yeah I'd agree. There are others who are clearly trolling. It's worse on MR but some find their way here too.
Nor is it my way of thinking, neither in this thread nor in any other context.
But thanks for playing.
Playing? Oh, you see this as a game? That explains a lot.
I hate to be insistent, but your comment above is in direct contradiction to statements made previously in this thread. Nevertheless, I'll take your word on it. Interestingly, it's a courtesy you refuse to extend to those outside of your assumptions or beliefs.
Well, unless and until there is real information, I'll assume that Apple is a typical for-profit corporation with fiduciary responsibilities to maximize total profits.
And no, some design guy's PR stunt does not count as "real information".
First, you are out of your depth.
Second, "fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit" is bandied about greatly and commonly assumed, but it need not be part of the articles of incorporation nor must it trump other goals of the company. People can chose not to buy the stock if they do not agree with the articles of incorporation.
Third, Apple as a company and Ive as a designer have always pursued a user-centered strategy. Most other companies pursue strategies that center on technology, marketing, or fiscal factors. All are important. But for companies that desire to innovate, only a design centered strategy is reliable and sustainable. It alone leads to a superior value proposition in the eyes of the user, and therefore justifies high margins.
Thanks for saving this thread for me. You are one of the only people that seems to get it.
I was dismaying at all these otherwise smart people making all the idiotic comments about (paraphrased) "of course it's about the money because everything is about the money." Anyone who seriously thinks this has no idea about how business is supposed to work.
Thanks for the kind words...
When capitalism stopped being permissive and started being mandatory is beyond me. I kinda liked it the old way better.
Second, "fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit" is bandied about greatly and commonly assumed, but it need not be part of the articles of incorporation nor must it trump other goals of the company.
But oh does it sound impressive when spoken with grit and certainty. The truth of it is of minor concern.
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Looks to me like he's trying to distract her while he sneaks an iPhone up her dress. She caught him out the corner of her eye though and was probably thinking the same thing as him. There's a reason they improved the low-light performance and stabilisation in the 4S - he knew this day would come.
I like Jonathan Ive's remarks on the design values they have at Apple. While it's easy for people who make a lot of money to say that money isn't the driving force, they demonstrate it with their products and there's no denying Ive has a strong passion for design. Other companies like to project that they hold similar values but their message comes from an auto-cue. You can't just read your values from a script, you have to live your life by them and it's the only way Apple has managed repeated success over the years.
It would be nice to see some of their other product designers once and a while too. Surely Ive isn't the only hardware designer working at Apple.
This is fairly simple.
Do you get a girlfriends [start business] for sex [money]? No. But in a relationship [owning a business] is sex [money] important? Yes. If sex [money] is nonexistent will you or your partner be fired? Probably, most likely yes.
But it's not your main goal, or shouldn't be. It comes naturally by being a good partner [business owner], doing the right things. There's more to it than just sex [money]
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So Jon says their "main" goal (focus) isn't to make money. I can only take that to mean - If you make great products the money will come naturally-
So focus on great (quality) products first and foremost, because focusing on money with nothing worth selling won't get you very far.
Of coarse they want to make money, but thats not why we do the things we love, we do the things we love because we love doing them.
This is nothing new to people that know anything about Apple as it was in the beginning till now.
And in a sense it is true. Apple has taken huge scary leaps where other companies haven't. Many products they've introduce have had no proven market either, but they put the product first and took a gamble on a great product creating the market, and hopefully making money.
That tactic has worked many times, and sometimes not, but at least Apple takes the chance.
"We care about quality products, not money. Because THAT is how we actually make all our money."
Focus on the product and those who are supposed to use it. And then the billions of $$$ magically take care of themselves.
Insanely simple.
Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Do you think the CEO of, say, ATT, Comcast, Samsung, Microsoft -- pick yours -- would ever be heard saying something like that?
"Music, sweet music…"
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More like pathological. Beating up on Apple users gives his life meaning. It really does.
I'm not "beating up" on anyone. I simply expressed an opinion which seems to warrant a witch hunt on here. Please feel free to put me on ignore. I'm not here to antagonise anyone and I certainly don't enjoy the abuse I get. I was simply commenting on the article I read. It's called free speech. Maybe you should go live in China or North Korea were nobody is allowed to disagree with the perceived wisdom. I'm sure you would enjoy that.
Go on Shaun, bee a man and leave
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Originally Posted by hmmfe
I can see the appeal to this way of thinking; only those things I can make sense of are true, therefore if I cannot make sense of it it must not be true. Very comforting. Despite it's appeal, though, it is neither rigorous nor well reasoned.
Nor is it my way of thinking, neither in this thread nor in any other context.
But thanks for playing.
Then do us all (including yourself) a favor and get lost.
Please.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Then do us all (including yourself) a favor and get lost.
Please.
F U C K O F F YOU CRETIN
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
Go on Shaun, bee a man and leave
MORON
Let's give Shaun a break. Historically he has been a reasonably level headed poster. He got a little of track and on the defensive just lately but I'm one of worst in that regard so I give him a pass since he clearly is not a hater troll but a good guy all 'round in my book.
Who are you to tell someone to leave? This is an open forum, if you want a closed conversation I suggest talking to yourself in a mirror, that way you'll be almost sure not to disagree with your speaker.
I've re-read the first page and can see that he expressed his opinion in one inital post, that's the point of a forum. His opinion was debatable and could be argued upon. Then he gets :
- "You're not a specialist" treatment (not a businessman),
- "that's a stupid comment"
- "are you really that obtuse"
He argues, does not insult
- "your statement is stupid", "you are a troll or delusional"
Argumentation
- "Interesting world you are living in. What's the weather like?"
- "Stop trolling"
He even deflected some attempts to mock him.
I'd kindly suggest to those who wrote those things to stop and think for a moment that this is a forum and people are supposed to tell their opinions without being attacked for no reason. In that situation, if he wasn't ready to change opinion from the start, he'd become even less susceptible to do so after your insults, but you'll never know since you didn't give him the chance to change opinion.
I find the ambiance to be much better on MR. People don't get called trolls at the first little deviation from the Apple book.
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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26
Nor is it my way of thinking, neither in this thread nor in any other context.
But thanks for playing.
Playing? Oh, you see this as a game? That explains a lot.
I hate to be insistent, but your comment above is in direct contradiction to statements made previously in this thread. Nevertheless, I'll take your word on it. Interestingly, it's a courtesy you refuse to extend to those outside of your assumptions or beliefs.
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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26
Well, unless and until there is real information, I'll assume that Apple is a typical for-profit corporation with fiduciary responsibilities to maximize total profits.
And no, some design guy's PR stunt does not count as "real information".
First, you are out of your depth.
Second, "fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit" is bandied about greatly and commonly assumed, but it need not be part of the articles of incorporation nor must it trump other goals of the company. People can chose not to buy the stock if they do not agree with the articles of incorporation.
Third, Apple as a company and Ive as a designer have always pursued a user-centered strategy. Most other companies pursue strategies that center on technology, marketing, or fiscal factors. All are important. But for companies that desire to innovate, only a design centered strategy is reliable and sustainable. It alone leads to a superior value proposition in the eyes of the user, and therefore justifies high margins.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Thanks for saving this thread for me. You are one of the only people that seems to get it.
I was dismaying at all these otherwise smart people making all the idiotic comments about (paraphrased) "of course it's about the money because everything is about the money." Anyone who seriously thinks this has no idea about how business is supposed to work.
Thanks for the kind words...
When capitalism stopped being permissive and started being mandatory is beyond me. I kinda liked it the old way better.
--The Thread Savior!
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Originally Posted by DESuserIGN
First, you are out of your depth.
Second, "fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit" is bandied about greatly and commonly assumed, but it need not be part of the articles of incorporation nor must it trump other goals of the company.
But oh does it sound impressive when spoken with grit and certainty. The truth of it is of minor concern.