Forget the thin. Give this beast more battery life--or as an alternative offer an EL version that thicker and has a longer useful time.
Apple needs to make their gadgets for people that actually work for a living. Not just those wanting to make silly fashion statements. Thin makes about as much sense as diamond encrusted.
Spot on ! Apple has been making those 100's of millions of phones for the unemployed and fashionistas. Real working people use Blackberries and that is why Rimm is doing so well with their market share. Fat and with buttons is where its at!
I think Miley Cyrus is way too thin. On the other hand I think she is a talentless slut who's only claim to fame is being the daughter of a one-hit-wonder Country & Western singer who is similarly talentless. So on average ... who cares?
You could be the next judge on AMerican idol! Loved the succinct and to the point summation. /ROFL
p.s. you missed out 'the daughter of a one-hit-wonder Country & Western singer and really bad actor'
Ugh, I hope not! Keep the thickness, and give me 50% more battery life!
Couldn't agree more! Enough with the anorexic drive to thin down for the sake of thinness, it's ridiculous! Add more battery capacity or new features instead.
18% at these mm levels doesn't warrant press and quite insignificant IMHO. Reminds me of the race of flip phones to shrink down to children-hand levels (see Zoolander). 18% increase in battery life...now that will be worth writing about.
Companies that are serious about design do not think this way. Only if function can be improved should design change. Good design is about the way it works, or words to that effect—Steve Jobs.
The first VW Beetle was basically the same from 1939 to sometime in the 90s. The engineers of the company at that time were patient and observant, not style-conscious. They sold more of that car than any other in history.
Edit: And if they make it thinner, it's because it fits the hand better, or goes in and out of pocket better, not because it's a fashion statement.
Porsche, italian sports car (lambos, a few ferrari models), rolls, MACS, igadgets.
iconic design. only those that phones to show off do not think this way.
apple products are a beauty of engineering and design. iconic stuff. the s3? who cares?
Forget the thin. Give this beast more battery life--or as an alternative offer an EL version that thicker and has a longer useful time.
Apple needs to make their gadgets for people that actually work for a living. Not just those wanting to make silly fashion statements. Thin makes about as much sense as diamond encrusted.
It is all relative surely! Would you have said that during the days of the Moto Brick! If not then at what point did phones become the perfect thicknesss? Besides what is your criteria for people that work for a living in relation to phone thickness! Seems a pretty abstract concept to me!
Couldn't agree more! Enough with the anorexic drive to thin down for the sake of thinness, it's ridiculous! Add more battery capacity or new features instead.
If they make it thinner, it will be because it feels better, not for the sake of thinness alone. Ive knows what he's doing in the tactile dimension as much as in the visual. Certainly nothing is done "for its own sake."
The first VW Beetle was basically the same from 1939 to sometime in the 90s. The engineers of the company at that time were patient and observant, not style-conscious. They sold more of that car than any other in history. ...
The Beetles were not always the exact same but they did keep the same basic design right up until the 70's. Excellent example of a fantastic design for a car that' never been equalled however. We aren't supposed to mention it but the VW bug is basically the only thing Hitler did that was a good thing (other than shooting himself perhaps).
It's a perfect example in another way in that VW has tried to "revive" the Beetle twice now by making a car with a similar shape. The shape of the car however is rather secondary and almost nothing to do with why the Beetle is such a great design. So the in-house designers at the company that made the original still completely miss the point about why the car was a good design in the first place. Funny stuff.
And that's where the 32nm A5 on the ipad 2 runs the show, right? the a5x is too big and power hungry and it is too soon for the rumoured a6, so that's the only option?
Process shrink the A5X and I bet the power issue gets handled from that. If Apple really wants to vault past some people, they should fund the tech for their ARM manufacturers to be able to skip a process shrink. Like if the route was 40 to 32 to 24 and we were on 40, try to go straight to 24. Set up exclusivity contracts and have more powerful chips sipping power and be a full year ahead of the competition at least.
Yes I know it's much harder than just typing out a couple of sentences of the idea, but I'm curious if this is something Apple has considered before. If they funded a process shrink skip for the CPU, GPU and RAM, it would be massive. Both in financial cost and in the jump they would get on the industry. Everyone would be caught flat footed
Another vote for adding more battery tho.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
It's a perfect example in another way in that VW has tried to "revive" the Beetle twice now by making a car with a similar shape. The shape of the car however is rather secondary and almost nothing to do with why the Beetle is such a great design. So the in-house designers at the company that made the original still completely miss the point about why the car was a good design in the first place. Funny stuff.
The new ones remind very much of an 80s or early 90s Porsche 911 really. They look very nice indeed, bit less rounded.
Couldn't agree more! Enough with the anorexic drive to thin down for the sake of thinness, it's ridiculous! Add more battery capacity or new features instead.
1) The battery life always either stays the same or increases substantially between models.
2) The current battery life is the best in the business.
Process shrink the A5X and I bet the power issue gets handled from that. If Apple really wants to vault past some people, they should fund the tech for their ARM manufacturers to be able to skip a process shrink. Like if the route was 40 to 32 to 24 and we were on 40, try to go straight to 24. Set up exclusivity contracts and have more powerful chips sipping power and be a full year ahead of the competition at least.
Yes I know it's much harder than just typing out a couple of sentences of the idea, but I'm curious if this is something Apple has considered before. If they funded a process shrink skip for the CPU, GPU and RAM, it would be massive. Both in financial cost and in the jump they would get on the industry. Everyone would be caught flat footed
Another vote for adding more battery tho.
The new ones remind very much of an 80s or early 90s Porsche 911 really. They look very nice indeed, bit less rounded.
I doubt that they see it as a real possibility.
the iphone is a victim of its sucess. what does this mean? samsung (for example) can take the risk and put the latest and greatest on their new phone (the note) because it will "only" sell a few million during the first half of the year. However apple needs something that is tested until saturation point and 100pc dominated tech because they will sell it in the 7digit figure since month one. they cannot risk that much on the pure hardware side. to be innovative while riding on the 2007 sucess they need to "create" features like siri until they think that they gained enough with it and are ready to destroy and recreate the mobile arena again and that's when your theory makes sense. maybe when they reach 300billion revenue per year, 2013 (or when they reach 500billion...)
1) The battery life always either stays the same or increases substantially between models.
2) The current battery life is the best in the business.
I am with you. I give Apple more credit than others. Seeing as my iPhone last longer than my Droid X ever did, I don't seen any sense complaining. Apple ALWAYS makes battery life a high priority in all of its products. My guess though is their primary goal is to maintain current battery rather than drastically improve upon it.
Keep in mind...
The new smaller doc connector creates a bit of room and the device will be slightly taller due to the larger screen. These two factors probably create enough extra space to cram a decent enough battery in there.
Also, thinkness rumors are ones that I don't but much stock in. The rumor mill as back and forth on the thickness of the iPad3 being the same thinkness or slightly thicker- no one really knew. As we know now, it wound up being slightly thicker. So Apple has shown they will make a device thicker, if necessary, to satisfy all its design and performance objectives. I find that encouraging. I don't think they would make it thinner and sacrifice battery life. That doesn't fit the strategy we have seen thus far.
I love the design, but a part of me hopes that this is some kind of controlled leak...
I think the design is a little on the similar side with the iPhone 4/4S. Again, don't take me wrong - I love this unibody design with the supposed aluminum back. But I think it should be a little more different than this... there should be a big change every two generations.
Although, a larger screen is a huge improvement, which Apple might consider a big change.
Anyhow, I love the design, but I can't wait to see what Apple reveals on September!
You're gonna have a tough time, as well as all of the manufacturers when this style of Smart Phone comes to market.
A Day Made of Glass - Corning -- for phone jump to 1:40, although the other things are quite interesting as well, as they relate to design patents and today's court cases.
In the future differentiating factors will come down to the operating system and pulling it all together.
Now who do you think has the lead in that category?...AND who is often first to license and use Corning's technology?
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Oh, no! Please! What an ugly lump it's going to become! Did Apple really hired "designer" from scamsung?
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Originally Posted by Inkling
Forget the thin. Give this beast more battery life--or as an alternative offer an EL version that thicker and has a longer useful time.
Apple needs to make their gadgets for people that actually work for a living. Not just those wanting to make silly fashion statements. Thin makes about as much sense as diamond encrusted.
Spot on ! Apple has been making those 100's of millions of phones for the unemployed and fashionistas. Real working people use Blackberries and that is why Rimm is doing so well with their market share. Fat and with buttons is where its at!
/sarcasm off/
You could be the next judge on AMerican idol! Loved the succinct and to the point summation. /ROFL
p.s. you missed out 'the daughter of a one-hit-wonder Country & Western singer and really bad actor'
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Originally Posted by cameronj
Ugh, I hope not! Keep the thickness, and give me 50% more battery life!
Couldn't agree more! Enough with the anorexic drive to thin down for the sake of thinness, it's ridiculous! Add more battery capacity or new features instead.
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff
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as for battery volume.
Old 4s gross volume= 62642.4 cu. mm
new iPhone gross volume = 55026.6
net reduction = 7615 (12.2% decrease)
This is significant. ...
But there is no way to know how much of the interior of the new phone the battery will take up.
Originally Posted by greybeard
Oh, no! Please! What an ugly lump it's going to become! Did Apple really hired "designer" from scamsung?
Looks the same as the last two iPhones. You probably should have complained about the design in 2010.
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
Companies that are serious about design do not think this way. Only if function can be improved should design change. Good design is about the way it works, or words to that effect—Steve Jobs.
The first VW Beetle was basically the same from 1939 to sometime in the 90s. The engineers of the company at that time were patient and observant, not style-conscious. They sold more of that car than any other in history.
Edit: And if they make it thinner, it's because it fits the hand better, or goes in and out of pocket better, not because it's a fashion statement.
Porsche, italian sports car (lambos, a few ferrari models), rolls, MACS, igadgets.
iconic design. only those that phones to show off do not think this way.
apple products are a beauty of engineering and design. iconic stuff. the s3? who cares?
It is all relative surely! Would you have said that during the days of the Moto Brick! If not then at what point did phones become the perfect thicknesss? Besides what is your criteria for people that work for a living in relation to phone thickness! Seems a pretty abstract concept to me!
If they make it thinner, it will be because it feels better, not for the sake of thinness alone. Ive knows what he's doing in the tactile dimension as much as in the visual. Certainly nothing is done "for its own sake."
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
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The first VW Beetle was basically the same from 1939 to sometime in the 90s. The engineers of the company at that time were patient and observant, not style-conscious. They sold more of that car than any other in history. ...
The Beetles were not always the exact same but they did keep the same basic design right up until the 70's. Excellent example of a fantastic design for a car that' never been equalled however. We aren't supposed to mention it but the VW bug is basically the only thing Hitler did that was a good thing (other than shooting himself perhaps).
It's a perfect example in another way in that VW has tried to "revive" the Beetle twice now by making a car with a similar shape. The shape of the car however is rather secondary and almost nothing to do with why the Beetle is such a great design. So the in-house designers at the company that made the original still completely miss the point about why the car was a good design in the first place. Funny stuff.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
And that's where the 32nm A5 on the ipad 2 runs the show, right? the a5x is too big and power hungry and it is too soon for the rumoured a6, so that's the only option?
Process shrink the A5X and I bet the power issue gets handled from that. If Apple really wants to vault past some people, they should fund the tech for their ARM manufacturers to be able to skip a process shrink. Like if the route was 40 to 32 to 24 and we were on 40, try to go straight to 24. Set up exclusivity contracts and have more powerful chips sipping power and be a full year ahead of the competition at least.
Yes I know it's much harder than just typing out a couple of sentences of the idea, but I'm curious if this is something Apple has considered before. If they funded a process shrink skip for the CPU, GPU and RAM, it would be massive. Both in financial cost and in the jump they would get on the industry. Everyone would be caught flat footed
Another vote for adding more battery tho.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
It's a perfect example in another way in that VW has tried to "revive" the Beetle twice now by making a car with a similar shape. The shape of the car however is rather secondary and almost nothing to do with why the Beetle is such a great design. So the in-house designers at the company that made the original still completely miss the point about why the car was a good design in the first place. Funny stuff.
The new ones remind very much of an 80s or early 90s Porsche 911 really. They look very nice indeed, bit less rounded.
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Originally Posted by marokero
Couldn't agree more! Enough with the anorexic drive to thin down for the sake of thinness, it's ridiculous! Add more battery capacity or new features instead.
1) The battery life always either stays the same or increases substantially between models.
2) The current battery life is the best in the business.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
2) The current battery life is the best in the business.
** ONE of the best in the business...
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Originally Posted by SSquirrel
Process shrink the A5X and I bet the power issue gets handled from that. If Apple really wants to vault past some people, they should fund the tech for their ARM manufacturers to be able to skip a process shrink. Like if the route was 40 to 32 to 24 and we were on 40, try to go straight to 24. Set up exclusivity contracts and have more powerful chips sipping power and be a full year ahead of the competition at least.
Yes I know it's much harder than just typing out a couple of sentences of the idea, but I'm curious if this is something Apple has considered before. If they funded a process shrink skip for the CPU, GPU and RAM, it would be massive. Both in financial cost and in the jump they would get on the industry. Everyone would be caught flat footed
Another vote for adding more battery tho.
The new ones remind very much of an 80s or early 90s Porsche 911 really. They look very nice indeed, bit less rounded.
I doubt that they see it as a real possibility.
the iphone is a victim of its sucess. what does this mean? samsung (for example) can take the risk and put the latest and greatest on their new phone (the note) because it will "only" sell a few million during the first half of the year. However apple needs something that is tested until saturation point and 100pc dominated tech because they will sell it in the 7digit figure since month one. they cannot risk that much on the pure hardware side. to be innovative while riding on the 2007 sucess they need to "create" features like siri until they think that they gained enough with it and are ready to destroy and recreate the mobile arena again and that's when your theory makes sense. maybe when they reach 300billion revenue per year, 2013
No doubt- get 1% thinner so you can say its thinner and cram that sucker with batteries.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
1) The battery life always either stays the same or increases substantially between models.
2) The current battery life is the best in the business.
I am with you. I give Apple more credit than others. Seeing as my iPhone last longer than my Droid X ever did, I don't seen any sense complaining. Apple ALWAYS makes battery life a high priority in all of its products. My guess though is their primary goal is to maintain current battery rather than drastically improve upon it.
Keep in mind...
The new smaller doc connector creates a bit of room and the device will be slightly taller due to the larger screen. These two factors probably create enough extra space to cram a decent enough battery in there.
Also, thinkness rumors are ones that I don't but much stock in. The rumor mill as back and forth on the thickness of the iPad3 being the same thinkness or slightly thicker- no one really knew. As we know now, it wound up being slightly thicker. So Apple has shown they will make a device thicker, if necessary, to satisfy all its design and performance objectives. I find that encouraging. I don't think they would make it thinner and sacrifice battery life. That doesn't fit the strategy we have seen thus far.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Looks the same as the last two iPhones. You probably should have complained about the design in 2010.
Not really. I just reckon how it will look in comparison with my current iPhone 4S. It'll look way too tall and narrow. In one word - UGLY.
You're gonna have a tough time, as well as all of the manufacturers when this style of Smart Phone comes to market.
A Day Made of Glass - Corning -- for phone jump to 1:40, although the other things are quite interesting as well, as they relate to design patents and today's court cases.
In the future differentiating factors will come down to the operating system and pulling it all together.
Now who do you think has the lead in that category?...AND who is often first to license and use Corning's technology?
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
1) The battery life always either stays the same or increases substantially between models.
2) The current battery life is the best in the business.
1) the 4s battery life is far worse than the 4
2) not even close to other phones