You're totally missing the point of computers. They're MACHINES!. They'll never be smart. You don't know what smart means. They'll never be intelligent. You don't know what intelligent means.
They're MACHINES. They have to be told what to do and when to do it. That's not smart. That's not intelligent.
They'll never surpass humans--unless you only consider the machine aspect of humans. Unless humans continue to devolve into machines themselves.
There will be at least some of us who will NEVER do that.
Actually, your missing the point of putting enough information and rules into a computer that it CAN be "intelligent" by a human asking it the correct type of question. What do you think the whole "artificial intelligence" field is all about? Yes, they only understand what we give them, but as we give them more and more they understand more and more, and if we tell them how to tie information together, then perhaps they will be able to do it better and/or faster than we can...
In fact, if your going to look at it like that, WE are somewhat MACHINES. We are given information, we can look at a set of characteristics, objects, etc and based on "rules" that we are taught and are grown up to respect can make decisions or opinions of those. Really we are machines to some extent. We do question things that don't make sense, but a machine can do the same thing... when its data doesn't give it a precise answer, it can be instructed to ask "Why?" or to access the internet and search for information on the subject matter and after pooling that data make decisions on what appears to be most correct, just as a person would probably do.
You're totally missing the point of computers. They're MACHINES!. They'll never be smart. You don't know what smart means. They'll never be intelligent. You don't know what intelligent means.
They're MACHINES. They have to be told what to do and when to do it. That's not smart. That's not intelligent.
They'll never surpass humans--unless you only consider the machine aspect of humans. Unless humans continue to devolve into machines themselves.
There will be at least some of us who will NEVER do that.
I'd suggest that you educate yourself before blathering about things you don't understand.
In principle, there's nothing that a human brain can do that a computer can not mimic well enough that they would be indistinguishable. Look up 'Turing test' for example.
Better yet, take a critical thinking course and learn something about intelligence and what it means.
I'd suggest that you educate yourself before blathering about things you don't understand.
In principle, there's nothing that a human brain can do that a computer can not mimic well enough that they would be indistinguishable. Look up 'Turing test' for example.
Better yet, take a critical thinking course and learn something about intelligence and what it means.
I'm wondering what you will be saying to the computer that is administering your lethal injection in riddance of the human race in the year 2050 or so.
Steve wanted a machine that could capture a person's "underlying spirit" Back when Apple started, so did all his co-workers, because Steve did not like bathing, using deodorant, or wearing shoes.
One day, all the media jerks will stop trying to make a buck off a dead guy. Steve had his good points and bad ones, just like everyone else. Let Steve rest in peace.
Dissatisfaction is the mother of innovation. Steve looked around and said "this stuff isn't good enough."
Quodo you couldn't be more right...I mentioned in an earlier post that last week I went into a Best Buy (first time in years) to look at the Ret. MBP. I was astounded and nauseated by the multitude of blue gray colored plasticky crap products Best Buy sells. It was like I walked into 1995. I have the similar feeling when I walk into my friends's office. Basically full of his and his wife's pwr bricks and dusty cables connected to crappy small displays and crappy Windows towers with crappy clunky keyboards and mice. All sitting on crappy OfficeMax type crappy desks. Ugh.
I know I sound like a broken record but, an iP5, an MBA, an iPad 8," iCloud and a large screen AppleTV and I'm good to go. Maybe a TimeCapsule, too.
I want to simplify my digital life. And thanks to Steve I can. I will not buy electronic equipment unless it is made by Apple.
Camera? Sold it and use my iPhone 4s.
Stand-alone-GPS? Nada, I use TomTom App.
Video Cam? Nope, iP4s, again.
Stereo? Nope, iP4s, again.
iPod? Nope, iP4s, again.
DSLR Camera? Nope...will do without until Apple makes one.
TV? Nope.... am doing without until Apple makes one.
Printer? Forced to use a Brother MFC495CN but get my ink from Amazon for less than a 10th of what I would pay at Target or OfficeMax. B/C it's wireless, I keep it in a closet, so I don't have to look at it. Doing a lot less printing anyway...may have to buy a printer that will print from my iOS devices soon. Will try to avoid HP like the plague!
Why? Because his particular brand of genius was the kind that stemmed from his being a deeply dissatisfied person. He was the kind of person who could only drive progress forward by manipulating people, sometimes with charm, sometimes with lies or psychological abuse. Knowing how to manipulate people and actually doing it are hallmarks of the best known people in the world.
I'm wondering what you will be saying to the computer that is administering your lethal injection in riddance of the human race in the year 2050 or so.
Quodo you couldn't be more right...I mentioned in an earlier post that last week I went into a Best Buy (first time in years) to look at the Ret. MBP. I was astounded and nauseated by the multitude of blue gray colored plasticky crap products Best Buy sells. It was like I walked into 1995. I have the similar feeling when I walk into my friends's office. Basically full of his and his wife's pwr bricks and dusty cables connected to crappy small displays and crappy Windows towers with crappy clunky keyboards and mice. All sitting on crappy OfficeMax type crappy desks. Ugh.
I know I sound like a broken record but, an iP5, an MBA, an iPad 8," iCloud and a large screen AppleTV and I'm good to go. Maybe a TimeCapsule, too.
I want to simplify my digital life. I will not buy electronic equipment unless it is made by Apple.
Camera? Sold it and use my iPhone 4s.
Stand-alone-GPS? Nada, I use TomTom App.
Video Cam? Nope, iP4s, again.
DSLR Camera? Nope...will do without until Apple makes one.
TV? Nope.... am doing without until Apple makes one.
Printer? Forced to use a Brother MFC495CN but get my ink from Amazon for less than a 10th of what I would pay at Target or OfficeMax. B/C it's wireless, I keep it in a closet, so I don't have to look at it. Doing a lot less printing anyway...may have to buy a printer that will print from my iOS devices soon. Will try to avoid HP like the plague!
Quodo you couldn't be more right...I mentioned in an earlier post that last week I went into a Best Buy (first time in years) to look at the Ret. MBP. I was astounded and nauseated by the multitude of blue gray colored plasticky crap products Best Buy sells. It was like I walked into 1995. I have the similar feeling when I walk into my friends's office. Basically full of his and his wife's pwr bricks and dusty cables connected to crappy small displays and crappy Windows towers with crappy clunky keyboards and mice. All sitting on crappy OfficeMax type crappy desks. Ugh.
Gawd! I just LOVE the smell of PVC and pressed wood in the morning!
What are the chances any 20-somethings in tech today mention the names Plato or Aristotle in a sentence? Sadly, I'd say the chances are zero.
qft - they're more likely to salute Stephen Hawking who in the context of this thread is eerily human and part machine. Perhaps that should read - human and eerily part machine.
I admire him immensely for his humanity and his ability to simplify concepts that are able to be understood - well, by the likes of me !
Give him 30 secs of deeper detail though and I'm struggling. lol
ot - I know but hey why not.. Arthur C Clarke wrote something similar in terms of human evolution, I forget the book but went along the lines of -
humans transferred their intellect into machines because there were no physical or biological imperfections and then the logical extension from that became pure energy. Dispassionate about anything else other than creating life. - ot
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Originally Posted by DanielSW
You're totally missing the point of computers. They're MACHINES!. They'll never be smart. You don't know what smart means. They'll never be intelligent. You don't know what intelligent means.
They're MACHINES. They have to be told what to do and when to do it. That's not smart. That's not intelligent.
They'll never surpass humans--unless you only consider the machine aspect of humans. Unless humans continue to devolve into machines themselves.
There will be at least some of us who will NEVER do that.
Actually, your missing the point of putting enough information and rules into a computer that it CAN be "intelligent" by a human asking it the correct type of question. What do you think the whole "artificial intelligence" field is all about? Yes, they only understand what we give them, but as we give them more and more they understand more and more, and if we tell them how to tie information together, then perhaps they will be able to do it better and/or faster than we can...
In fact, if your going to look at it like that, WE are somewhat MACHINES. We are given information, we can look at a set of characteristics, objects, etc and based on "rules" that we are taught and are grown up to respect can make decisions or opinions of those. Really we are machines to some extent. We do question things that don't make sense, but a machine can do the same thing... when its data doesn't give it a precise answer, it can be instructed to ask "Why?" or to access the internet and search for information on the subject matter and after pooling that data make decisions on what appears to be most correct, just as a person would probably do.
I'd suggest that you educate yourself before blathering about things you don't understand.
In principle, there's nothing that a human brain can do that a computer can not mimic well enough that they would be indistinguishable. Look up 'Turing test' for example.
Better yet, take a critical thinking course and learn something about intelligence and what it means.
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Originally Posted by 845032
He was a good artist. I missed you, Steve.
You have no idea what he (or Picasso) was even talking about.
It didn't until you mentioned him
Apple/Google maps still has to implement seasonal street views.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
I'd suggest that you educate yourself before blathering about things you don't understand.
In principle, there's nothing that a human brain can do that a computer can not mimic well enough that they would be indistinguishable. Look up 'Turing test' for example.
Better yet, take a critical thinking course and learn something about intelligence and what it means.
I'm wondering what you will be saying to the computer that is administering your lethal injection in riddance of the human race in the year 2050 or so.
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Originally Posted by mstone
"we're going to sell 10 million of these computers whether they are a piece of shit or not"
7:53 into the audio track. Yep he said it.
By "we" I think he meant the industry as a whole, not just Apple.
And he also said it would cost the same to build shit or beauty, so,
let's do beauty.
Its like taking the stealing quote out of context, as an apology/rationalization for Samsung copying...
gotta take the whole idea, not the bit that supports your point.
Sorry, if I misapprehended why you quoted this "bit".
Steve wanted a machine that could capture a person's "underlying spirit" Back when Apple started, so did all his co-workers, because Steve did not like bathing, using deodorant, or wearing shoes.
One day, all the media jerks will stop trying to make a buck off a dead guy. Steve had his good points and bad ones, just like everyone else. Let Steve rest in peace.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
And the world is all the better for it.
Well, at least Samsung is.
Dissatisfaction is the mother of innovation. Steve looked around and said "this stuff isn't good enough."
Quodo you couldn't be more right...I mentioned in an earlier post that last week I went into a Best Buy (first time in years) to look at the Ret. MBP. I was astounded and nauseated by the multitude of blue gray colored plasticky crap products Best Buy sells. It was like I walked into 1995. I have the similar feeling when I walk into my friends's office. Basically full of his and his wife's pwr bricks and dusty cables connected to crappy small displays and crappy Windows towers with crappy clunky keyboards and mice. All sitting on crappy OfficeMax type crappy desks. Ugh.
I know I sound like a broken record but, an iP5, an MBA, an iPad 8," iCloud and a large screen AppleTV and I'm good to go. Maybe a TimeCapsule, too.
I want to simplify my digital life. And thanks to Steve I can. I will not buy electronic equipment unless it is made by Apple.
Camera? Sold it and use my iPhone 4s.
Stand-alone-GPS? Nada, I use TomTom App.
Video Cam? Nope, iP4s, again.
Stereo? Nope, iP4s, again.
iPod? Nope, iP4s, again.
DSLR Camera? Nope...will do without until Apple makes one.
TV? Nope.... am doing without until Apple makes one.
Printer? Forced to use a Brother MFC495CN but get my ink from Amazon for less than a 10th of what I would pay at Target or OfficeMax. B/C it's wireless, I keep it in a closet, so I don't have to look at it. Doing a lot less printing anyway...may have to buy a printer that will print from my iOS devices soon. Will try to avoid HP like the plague!
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Originally Posted by boredumb
By "we" I think he meant the industry as a whole, not just Apple.
And he also said it would cost the same to build shit or beauty, so,
let's do beauty.
Its like taking the stealing quote out of context, as an apology/rationalization for Samsung copying...
gotta take the whole idea, not the bit that supports your point.
Sorry, if I misapprehended why you quoted this "bit".
Yeah what ever. He was way off the accepted academic presentation guidelines with cuss words.
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich
Why? Because his particular brand of genius was the kind that stemmed from his being a deeply dissatisfied person. He was the kind of person who could only drive progress forward by manipulating people, sometimes with charm, sometimes with lies or psychological abuse. Knowing how to manipulate people and actually doing it are hallmarks of the best known people in the world.
And then he became a billionaire. Woo hoo.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
If they cloned him in secret, then you wouldn't know about it, would you....?
Exactly! But we the world would benefit from the genius of him wouldn't it?
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Originally Posted by mstone
I'm wondering what you will be saying to the computer that is administering your lethal injection in riddance of the human race in the year 2050 or so.
I guess I'll be saying "Bye-bye..."
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Originally Posted by christopher126
Quodo you couldn't be more right...I mentioned in an earlier post that last week I went into a Best Buy (first time in years) to look at the Ret. MBP. I was astounded and nauseated by the multitude of blue gray colored plasticky crap products Best Buy sells. It was like I walked into 1995. I have the similar feeling when I walk into my friends's office. Basically full of his and his wife's pwr bricks and dusty cables connected to crappy small displays and crappy Windows towers with crappy clunky keyboards and mice. All sitting on crappy OfficeMax type crappy desks. Ugh.
I know I sound like a broken record but, an iP5, an MBA, an iPad 8," iCloud and a large screen AppleTV and I'm good to go. Maybe a TimeCapsule, too.
I want to simplify my digital life. I will not buy electronic equipment unless it is made by Apple.
Camera? Sold it and use my iPhone 4s.
Stand-alone-GPS? Nada, I use TomTom App.
Video Cam? Nope, iP4s, again.
DSLR Camera? Nope...will do without until Apple makes one.
TV? Nope.... am doing without until Apple makes one.
Printer? Forced to use a Brother MFC495CN but get my ink from Amazon for less than a 10th of what I would pay at Target or OfficeMax. B/C it's wireless, I keep it in a closet, so I don't have to look at it. Doing a lot less printing anyway...may have to buy a printer that will print from my iOS devices soon. Will try to avoid HP like the plague!
Brilliant!
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Originally Posted by mstone
Yeah what ever. He was way off the accepted academic presentation guidelines with cuss words.
Hey, the world was just coming off the f*ckin' '70s fer kerist's sake!!
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Originally Posted by christopher126
Quodo you couldn't be more right...I mentioned in an earlier post that last week I went into a Best Buy (first time in years) to look at the Ret. MBP. I was astounded and nauseated by the multitude of blue gray colored plasticky crap products Best Buy sells. It was like I walked into 1995. I have the similar feeling when I walk into my friends's office. Basically full of his and his wife's pwr bricks and dusty cables connected to crappy small displays and crappy Windows towers with crappy clunky keyboards and mice. All sitting on crappy OfficeMax type crappy desks. Ugh.
Gawd! I just LOVE the smell of PVC and pressed wood in the morning!
qft - they're more likely to salute Stephen Hawking who in the context of this thread is eerily human and part machine. Perhaps that should read - human and eerily part machine.
I admire him immensely for his humanity and his ability to simplify concepts that are able to be understood - well, by the likes of me !
Give him 30 secs of deeper detail though and I'm struggling. lol
ot - I know but hey why not.. Arthur C Clarke wrote something similar in terms of human evolution, I forget the book but went along the lines of -
humans transferred their intellect into machines because there were no physical or biological imperfections and then the logical extension from that became pure energy. Dispassionate about anything else other than creating life. - ot