If he has iTunes music that came from a DRM version of iTunes, he should just subscribe to the MusicMatch service for, what is it, $25 and reconvert his music. Then it turns into DRM free versions and there is no issue, since nobody is going to sue him for handing over music however he pleases, even though it's technically illegal.
The spirit of Apple's license allows use of up to 5 computers regardless of ownership, so unless he has more than five daughters, all of them can use his music on one computer each. Of course once they are out of DRM, the reality is any music can go anywhere, but I would say he is not violating the spirit of the agreement by distributing it to up to five people.
Maybe, but don't forget that Apple has a "Buy" button in iTunes, not a "License" button.
It's only deceptive to those that didnt read the terms. Those that did know that they are buying the license when they hit the button.
Buying a CD isn't really that different. You don't suddenly own the song and all rights to it. You own a license to play it. Yes you can will those CDs to someone but you can also will a hard drive full of mp3 as well. Funny thing is there are ways to strip the tags off the songs so iTunes won't know they originally came from an account and they will keep working just fine.
Or he hasn't had a hit movie for a while and needs the publicity.
Or Daily Mail needs hits. Figure this will strike a nerve because Apple is big and they can play it as yet more Apple Greed. And Willis is just big enough that folks will buy the notion he might perhaps maybe is going to sue.
Apple probably can't do this though since they don't own the music they sell. They are a reseller of licenses. What Apple is allowed to do with music is based on their agreements with the actual owners of the content.
Maybe, but don't forget that Apple has a "Buy" button in iTunes, not a "License" button. The buy button is deceptive, and so would any statement such as that made by SJ on numerous occasions that in iTunes you buy a song because people like to "own" their music.
I don't know how Amazon portrays it, but I don't care because I don't buy from them.
Amazon says I can buy an album with 1-click:
Although both Amazon and iTunes made me accept a license agreement in order to use their software to download the files to my computer.
have to say i agree i buy 3-4 albums/movies a month not to mention apps and and to think when i go they just disapear into the either and cant be accessed by my son is insane. think i will have to start buying elsewhere and just transferring to itunes instead of buying from apple, until this whole mess is resolved.
...and which digital music vendor doesn't have to abide by the terms set by the RECORDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION of AMERICA? where in Google's or Amazon's TOS does it say you can "transfer the rights" to your purchases? and if you're DEAD you're not really going to care if your kid has your iTunes id/pass, now are you?
why not put in his will, "transfer itunes music to my daughters" and let the trustee deal with this?
Because legally he can't. When Apple finds out he's dead, they can -- per the terms he agreed to -- freeze his account. Which could include cutting off access to any credits on his account, no redownloading of tracks and possible due authorization of all computers and devices linked to the account which means purchased music would stop playing. And no one will be able to access the account.
This is why Willis is allegedly so upset, but frankly I think the story is bogus.
Oh, come on, it changes every few weeks and it's huge. Where is the value prop in using a service that periodically requires hours of your time to make sure you are not being treated deceptively?
Hollywood employment contracts are just as lengthy, come up just as often if not sometimes more, and Willis is expectedly to know what was just signed in detail.
Let someone make those same demands about a Bruce Willis movie they digitally purchased and we'll see what his repsonse is. Poor Bruce, he must be in some need of PR by 'taking on a cause'.
Perhaps, in the interests of equity, the rights conferred to the copyright holders by statute should be mirrored for the licensee. Namely, the licence is good for the licensee's life plus seventy years.
Hollywood employment contracts are just as lengthy, come up just as often if not sometimes more, and Willis is expectedly to know what was just signed in detail.
Not really. Because his contract is about millions, he has a lawyer review it.
We are talking normal people wanting to 'buy' a 0.99c song.
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If he has iTunes music that came from a DRM version of iTunes, he should just subscribe to the MusicMatch service for, what is it, $25 and reconvert his music. Then it turns into DRM free versions and there is no issue, since nobody is going to sue him for handing over music however he pleases, even though it's technically illegal.
The spirit of Apple's license allows use of up to 5 computers regardless of ownership, so unless he has more than five daughters, all of them can use his music on one computer each. Of course once they are out of DRM, the reality is any music can go anywhere, but I would say he is not violating the spirit of the agreement by distributing it to up to five people.
This doesn't seem worth a lawsuit, then, does it?
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It's only deceptive to those that didnt read the terms. Those that did know that they are buying the license when they hit the button.
Buying a CD isn't really that different. You don't suddenly own the song and all rights to it. You own a license to play it. Yes you can will those CDs to someone but you can also will a hard drive full of mp3 as well. Funny thing is there are ways to strip the tags off the songs so iTunes won't know they originally came from an account and they will keep working just fine.
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Originally Posted by John.B
Apple pioneered the concept of a DRM-free downloadable music store: http://www.apple.com/fr/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
Wrong. EMusic was drm free long before Apple.
Yippie Ki-yay, mother fu......
Or Daily Mail needs hits. Figure this will strike a nerve because Apple is big and they can play it as yet more Apple Greed. And Willis is just big enough that folks will buy the notion he might perhaps maybe is going to sue.
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Apple probably can't do this though since they don't own the music they sell. They are a reseller of licenses. What Apple is allowed to do with music is based on their agreements with the actual owners of the content.
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Yes, right, because poor little Apple has no leverage...
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Originally Posted by Alonso Perez
Maybe, but don't forget that Apple has a "Buy" button in iTunes, not a "License" button. The buy button is deceptive, and so would any statement such as that made by SJ on numerous occasions that in iTunes you buy a song because people like to "own" their music.
I don't know how Amazon portrays it, but I don't care because I don't buy from them.
Amazon says I can buy an album with 1-click:
Although both Amazon and iTunes made me accept a license agreement in order to use their software to download the files to my computer.
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Originally Posted by John.B
Amazon says I can buy an album with 1-click:
Although both Amazon and iTunes made me sign a license agreement in order to use their software to download the files to my computer.
Speaking of software, I wonder if Mr. Willis realizes he also doesn't "own" the software on his computer...
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Originally Posted by bboybazza
have to say i agree i buy 3-4 albums/movies a month not to mention apps and and to think when i go they just disapear into the either and cant be accessed by my son is insane. think i will have to start buying elsewhere and just transferring to itunes instead of buying from apple, until this whole mess is resolved.
...and which digital music vendor doesn't have to abide by the terms set by the RECORDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION of AMERICA? where in Google's or Amazon's TOS does it say you can "transfer the rights" to your purchases? and if you're DEAD you're not really going to care if your kid has your iTunes id/pass, now are you?
Because legally he can't. When Apple finds out he's dead, they can -- per the terms he agreed to -- freeze his account. Which could include cutting off access to any credits on his account, no redownloading of tracks and possible due authorization of all computers and devices linked to the account which means purchased music would stop playing. And no one will be able to access the account.
This is why Willis is allegedly so upset, but frankly I think the story is bogus.
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Wrong. EMusic was drm free long before Apple.
With music that, frankly, most people weren't interested in. I'll try again:
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Apple pioneered the concept of a DRM-free downloadable music store with content from the major labels: http://www.apple.com/fr/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
Better?
I'll go back and edit the original post.
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Originally Posted by John.B
Speaking of software, I wonder if Mr. Willis realizes he also doesn't own the software on his computer...
That will hardly matter in 30 years.
Do you use software from 30 years ago?
Not at all. Because when they find out you are dead, they will freeze your account. No updates from that account
Hollywood employment contracts are just as lengthy, come up just as often if not sometimes more, and Willis is expectedly to know what was just signed in detail.
Let someone make those same demands about a Bruce Willis movie they digitally purchased and we'll see what his repsonse is. Poor Bruce, he must be in some need of PR by 'taking on a cause'.
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That will hardly matter in 30 years.
Do you use software from 30 years ago?
Will it matter tomorrow? Do you have any guarantees that you won't die in the next 30 years?
WELCOME TO 3rd PARTY RIGHTS, PAAAL!
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Apple doesn't own the rights to the music.
They sell under license for those who do, just like any other retailer of digital goods.
True, but Apple negotiated the rights. Further, if he wins, the labels will be forced to change the terms.
Perhaps, in the interests of equity, the rights conferred to the copyright holders by statute should be mirrored for the licensee. Namely, the licence is good for the licensee's life plus seventy years.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
Hollywood employment contracts are just as lengthy, come up just as often if not sometimes more, and Willis is expectedly to know what was just signed in detail.
Not really. Because his contract is about millions, he has a lawyer review it.
We are talking normal people wanting to 'buy' a 0.99c song.