Yes, it's a bit bewildering. Like Nokia can do nothing right. But I personally don't think MS tablet strategy is linking deeply with the phone. Even when they demoed Windows RT they demoed Excel. That show they try to sell it to people who's familiar with Windows in general but want something like iPad, rather than people who want it to work with their phones.
People are going to find that using Office on either Microsoft tablet is a problem. There are already reviews of this and so far, the opinions aren't good. I don't know why people, at least some, seem to think that using Windows on a 10.6" tablet will actually be better than using them on the failed 13-15" tablets that were earlier being promoted over the years, but failed, because Windows doesn't work well on a screen with a stylus, or especially, a finger.
Metro, uh, that is, Windows 8 -Style UI, works well enough, but the Office apps are styled as the older Desktop software. That's on both Rt and x86 tablets. People are going to be shocked and frustrated over this.
That's why all the new tablets that have just been shown by various ODM's come with a keyboard of some sort. But do people want to need a keyboard with their new TABLET? I don't think so.
People are going to find that using Office on either Microsoft tablet is a problem. There are already reviews of this and so far, the opinions aren't good. I don't know why people, at least some, seem to think that using Windows on a 10.6" tablet will actually be better than using them on the failed 13-15" tablets that were earlier being promoted over the years, but failed, because Windows doesn't work well on a screen with a stylus, or especially, a finger.
Metro, uh, that is, Windows 8 -Style UI, works well enough, but the Office apps are styled as the older Desktop software. That's on both Rt and x86 tablets. People are going to be shocked and frustrated over this.
That's why all the new tablets that have just been shown by various ODM's come with a keyboard of some sort. But do people want to need a keyboard with their new TABLET? I don't think so.
I am personally cheering for them. I'm so sick with all these iPhone-wanna-be Androids but I think the best chance MS has is still 50-50. Like you said if they couldn't pull it off.. It's all about Office. If they fail, maybe that's when the stock begins a slide.
So did anyone watch the Nokia event? Was it even worth it? Snoozer?
I saw a few minutes of the live blog....Phone looks good...WinPho7-8 always looked good to me...but I have no true interest in the eco-system so I eventually turned it off.
Only Apple events and Google I/O truly interest me.
But from what the live blog showed it looked to be a good event.
I am personally cheering for them. I'm so sick with all these iPhone-wanna-be Androids but I think the best chance MS has is still 50-50. Like you said if they couldn't pull it off.. It's all about Office. If they fail, maybe that's when the stock begins a slide.
There is literally ONE company who has ever produced iPhone wanna-be Androids...Samsung...and Samsung needs to die or undergo a serious change (after being knocked down a few pegs). I hate Touchwhiz and I hate their design sense.
Can anyone tell me why Nokia didn't disclose the date of availability and price of their new phones at the event today? Nokia management is sooooooooo idiotic. No wonder their products don't sell. What a complete joke!
There is literally ONE company who has ever produced iPhone wanna-be Androids...Samsung...and Samsung needs to die or undergo a serious change (after being knocked down a few pegs). I hate Touchwhiz and I hate their design sense.
Maybe because all Android fans I found are like acme-filled teenagers who always crying foul about rectangular with round corner. If most of them are reasonable like you I might see the platform in a much much better light.
Maybe because all Android fans I found are like acme-filled teenagers who always crying foul about rectangular with round corner. If most of them are reasonable like you I might see the platform in a much much better light.
I saw a few minutes of the live blog....Phone looks good...WinPho7-8 always looked good to me...but I have no true interest in the eco-system so I eventually turned it off.
Only Apple events and Google I/O truly interest me.
But from what the live blog showed it looked to be a good event.
I seconded that, but still didn't see how Mcrosoft would tap Xbox Live crowd to help push WP8 along like they claimed years ago.
The best time to release these phones is out of sync with Apple. That's what Samsung did with the Galaxy S3. By releasing it while iPhone sales were declining they got a lot of press coverage for being the best selling phone. These other phones are going to compete against the iPhone at its peak. It may be that it's easier for non-Samsung Android phones to compete against the iPhone than a new Samsung phone. iPhone customers probably aren't going to buy an Android phone regardless, so Android manufacturers are competing with each other. You've got to remember these guys are competing for Samsung and Apple's leftovers.
Most consumers *still* don't know what a "Windows Phone" is. And it's been two years, and a ton of money sunk into Nokia/MS marketing efforts already.
I don't see anyone riding "Apple fever" and benefiting from it aside from Apple.
As long as they can get the coverage that is good enough for them. If that means get some exposures why reporters and bloggers waiting for Sep 12 and nned something to fill their columns, so be it.
Maybe because all Android fans I found are like acme-filled teenagers who always crying foul about rectangular with round corner. If most of them are reasonable like you I might see the platform in a much much better light.
I pictured wile-e-coyote btw...
But no, the rounded rectangle thing to me is a valid argument...but overblown.
The best time to release these phones is out of sync with Apple. That's what Samsung did with the Galaxy S3. By releasing it while iPhone sales were declining they got a lot of press coverage for being the best selling phone. These other phones are going to compete against the iPhone at its peak. It may be that it's easier for non-Samsung Android phones to compete against the iPhone than a new Samsung phone. iPhone customers probably aren't going to buy an Android phone regardless, so Android manufacturers are competing with each other. You've got to remember these guys are competing for Samsung and Apple's leftovers.
Yeah, then they can make announcements and PR about how they're 'outselling' the iPhone, and all their neck-bearded, Apple-hating, basement dwelling foot-soldier trolls on the internet eat that shit up and vomit it back out, not realizing the sheer mind-numbingly pathetic point that Samsung is comparing sales of its just released flagship, phone with Apple's year old phone.
That wireless charging thingy is just a gimmick, but it uses the so--called Qi interoperability technology. In the demo, I think they showed how JBL "Power Up" dock can act as both the wireless charging dock and also as an NFC based audio dock for Nokia 920. All you have to do is to knock the Nokia 920 to the JBL dock and the music is transferred and being played through JBL speaker.
The deal breaker is perhaps the camera with the new floating lense technology with Nokia 920 with its the PureView: F/2.0 aperture. They also mentioned tons of neat stuff like ClearBlack displays using smart polarizers and an advanced Nokia mapping experience like Nokia City Lens.
Nokia Lumia 920 Specs:
Processor Snapdragon S4
Dual Core 1.5 Ghz
1 GB internal memory
32 GB mass storage
Battery Capacity 2000 mAh
Display size 4.5 '
1280X768
332 PPI
Main Camera:
Carl Zeiss Tassar
8.7 MP
3264 x 2448 pixels
F 2.0
4X digital zoom
Nokia PureView camera
Touch focus
Landscape orientation
Geo-tagging
Auto and manual white balance
Still image editor
Optical Image Stabilization
Lenses applications
Sensor size 1/3 inch
Sensor type: BSI
True 16:9 sensor
Pixel size 1.4 µm
Wireless connectivity:
Near Field Communication
Bluetooth 3.1
Wi-Fi Direct
Wi-Fi Channel bonding
WLAN IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n
Qi Wireless charging
Navigation features
Nokia Maps
Nokia Drive: route optimization
Nokia City Lens
Nokia Transport
Offline maps
Turn-by-turn voice guided navigation
Positioning features
Magnetometer
A-GPS
WLAN Network Positioning
Glonass
Speed limit warnings
Online and offline favorites
Data bearers:
HSPA+ (3G)
EDGE/EGPRS (2G)
FD-LTE (4G)
HSUPA (3G)
GSM (2G)
HSDPA (3G)
WCDMA (3G)
Dual Transfer Mode (2G)
Bands:
GSM 850
GSM 900
GSM 1800
GSM 1900
WCDMA Band V (850)
WCDMA Band VIII (900)
WCDMA Band II (1900)
WCDMA Band I (2100)
LTE 800
LTE 900
LTE 1800
LTE 2100
LTE 2600
Connectors
Micro-USB Charging Connector
Micro-USB Data Connector
3.5 mm Universal Audio Connector
Micro-USB 2.0
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
lol.
Apple will implement 'wireless' charging when it's actually- you know- wireless.
I fail to see the major advantage to this 'wireless' charging that requires a brick as large as the phone to be contact, which just happens to be slower than normal charging, and which adds internal complexity and bulk to the phone. There's nothing wireless about it. Yeah it's a neat gimmick, but beyond saving maybe 2 seconds a day plugging/unplugging the phone, serve no other advantage. I don't see Aple implementing a solution like this, it's simply a half way point and really non-elegant.
Doesn't it make sense to let the consumers know the products that will be available to them before a pre-order of the new iPhone is available? If a consumer is aware that another device is coming out, they may hold off on the pre-order and wait to check out the other device when it's released.
I know this won't affect a large percentage of people, but this 920 announcement has me potentially holding off on an iPhone 5 pre-order.
`I am in the same boat. I have an iphone 4s and I might switch to wp8 and hold off on a iphone 5 preorder. I see ios getting stale. Yes for most people it suits their needs but apple hasnt been adding the features that I want. Like more info or widgets on the start screen.
I really hope the next iphone is different then the mockups.
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People are going to find that using Office on either Microsoft tablet is a problem. There are already reviews of this and so far, the opinions aren't good. I don't know why people, at least some, seem to think that using Windows on a 10.6" tablet will actually be better than using them on the failed 13-15" tablets that were earlier being promoted over the years, but failed, because Windows doesn't work well on a screen with a stylus, or especially, a finger.
Metro, uh, that is, Windows 8 -Style UI, works well enough, but the Office apps are styled as the older Desktop software. That's on both Rt and x86 tablets. People are going to be shocked and frustrated over this.
That's why all the new tablets that have just been shown by various ODM's come with a keyboard of some sort. But do people want to need a keyboard with their new TABLET? I don't think so.
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach
You just made me spill my beer!
LOL
Just the way things are these days . . .
So did anyone watch the Nokia event? Was it even worth it? Snoozer?
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Originally Posted by melgross
People are going to find that using Office on either Microsoft tablet is a problem. There are already reviews of this and so far, the opinions aren't good. I don't know why people, at least some, seem to think that using Windows on a 10.6" tablet will actually be better than using them on the failed 13-15" tablets that were earlier being promoted over the years, but failed, because Windows doesn't work well on a screen with a stylus, or especially, a finger.
Metro, uh, that is, Windows 8 -Style UI, works well enough, but the Office apps are styled as the older Desktop software. That's on both Rt and x86 tablets. People are going to be shocked and frustrated over this.
That's why all the new tablets that have just been shown by various ODM's come with a keyboard of some sort. But do people want to need a keyboard with their new TABLET? I don't think so.
I am personally cheering for them. I'm so sick with all these iPhone-wanna-be Androids but I think the best chance MS has is still 50-50. Like you said if they couldn't pull it off.. It's all about Office. If they fail, maybe that's when the stock begins a slide.
Someone has more optimistic view of course.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/4/3291249/the-end-of-android-tablets-google-amazon-kindle-fire-microsoft-windows-8
I saw a few minutes of the live blog....Phone looks good...WinPho7-8 always looked good to me...but I have no true interest in the eco-system so I eventually turned it off.
Only Apple events and Google I/O truly interest me.
But from what the live blog showed it looked to be a good event.
There is literally ONE company who has ever produced iPhone wanna-be Androids...Samsung...and Samsung needs to die or undergo a serious change (after being knocked down a few pegs). I hate Touchwhiz and I hate their design sense.
Can anyone tell me why Nokia didn't disclose the date of availability and price of their new phones at the event today? Nokia management is sooooooooo idiotic. No wonder their products don't sell. What a complete joke!
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Originally Posted by DaHarder
FACT: Not every consumer wants, or even cares about the new(ish) iPhone.
How does it feel to be all alone in the dark?? /s
Quote:
Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz
There is literally ONE company who has ever produced iPhone wanna-be Androids...Samsung...and Samsung needs to die or undergo a serious change (after being knocked down a few pegs). I hate Touchwhiz and I hate their design sense.
Maybe because all Android fans I found are like acme-filled teenagers who always crying foul about rectangular with round corner. If most of them are reasonable like you I might see the platform in a much much better light.
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz
Nokia and Motorola's events were announced BEFORE the iPhone announcement was known.
Are you suggesting they are psychic as well?
Spies in Apple can do the same thing.
But is it possible that Microsoft been sat on WP8 for a while, and only release it now to catch the coattail of Apple fever?
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Originally Posted by matrix07
Maybe because all Android fans I found are like acme-filled teenagers who always crying foul about rectangular with round corner. If most of them are reasonable like you I might see the platform in a much much better light.
Don't look like that where I live. Where are you?
Quote:
Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz
I saw a few minutes of the live blog....Phone looks good...WinPho7-8 always looked good to me...but I have no true interest in the eco-system so I eventually turned it off.
Only Apple events and Google I/O truly interest me.
But from what the live blog showed it looked to be a good event.
I seconded that, but still didn't see how Mcrosoft would tap Xbox Live crowd to help push WP8 along like they claimed years ago.
The best time to release these phones is out of sync with Apple. That's what Samsung did with the Galaxy S3. By releasing it while iPhone sales were declining they got a lot of press coverage for being the best selling phone. These other phones are going to compete against the iPhone at its peak. It may be that it's easier for non-Samsung Android phones to compete against the iPhone than a new Samsung phone. iPhone customers probably aren't going to buy an Android phone regardless, so Android manufacturers are competing with each other. You've got to remember these guys are competing for Samsung and Apple's leftovers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairthrope
Spies in Apple can do the same thing.
But is it possible that Microsoft been sat on WP8 for a while, and only release it now to catch the coattail of Apple fever?
Most consumers *still* don't know what a "Windows Phone" is. And it's been two years, and a ton of money sunk into Nokia/MS marketing efforts already.
I don't see anyone riding "Apple fever" and benefiting from it aside from Apple.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadra 610
Most consumers *still* don't know what a "Windows Phone" is. And it's been two years, and a ton of money sunk into Nokia/MS marketing efforts already.
I don't see anyone riding "Apple fever" and benefiting from it aside from Apple.
As long as they can get the coverage that is good enough for them. If that means get some exposures why reporters and bloggers waiting for Sep 12 and nned something to fill their columns, so be it.
I pictured wile-e-coyote btw...
But no, the rounded rectangle thing to me is a valid argument...but overblown.
Quote:
Originally Posted by poke
The best time to release these phones is out of sync with Apple. That's what Samsung did with the Galaxy S3. By releasing it while iPhone sales were declining they got a lot of press coverage for being the best selling phone. These other phones are going to compete against the iPhone at its peak. It may be that it's easier for non-Samsung Android phones to compete against the iPhone than a new Samsung phone. iPhone customers probably aren't going to buy an Android phone regardless, so Android manufacturers are competing with each other. You've got to remember these guys are competing for Samsung and Apple's leftovers.
Yeah, then they can make announcements and PR about how they're 'outselling' the iPhone, and all their neck-bearded, Apple-hating, basement dwelling foot-soldier trolls on the internet eat that shit up and vomit it back out, not realizing the sheer mind-numbingly pathetic point that Samsung is comparing sales of its just released flagship, phone with Apple's year old phone.
That wireless charging thingy is just a gimmick, but it uses the so--called Qi interoperability technology. In the demo, I think they showed how JBL "Power Up" dock can act as both the wireless charging dock and also as an NFC based audio dock for Nokia 920. All you have to do is to knock the Nokia 920 to the JBL dock and the music is transferred and being played through JBL speaker.
The deal breaker is perhaps the camera with the new floating lense technology with Nokia 920 with its the PureView: F/2.0 aperture. They also mentioned tons of neat stuff like ClearBlack displays using smart polarizers and an advanced Nokia mapping experience like Nokia City Lens.
Nokia Lumia 920 Specs:
Processor Snapdragon S4
Dual Core 1.5 Ghz
1 GB internal memory
32 GB mass storage
Battery Capacity 2000 mAh
Display size 4.5 '
1280X768
332 PPI
Main Camera:
Carl Zeiss Tassar
8.7 MP
3264 x 2448 pixels
F 2.0
4X digital zoom
Nokia PureView camera
Touch focus
Landscape orientation
Geo-tagging
Auto and manual white balance
Still image editor
Optical Image Stabilization
Lenses applications
Sensor size 1/3 inch
Sensor type: BSI
True 16:9 sensor
Pixel size 1.4 µm
Wireless connectivity:
Near Field Communication
Bluetooth 3.1
Wi-Fi Direct
Wi-Fi Channel bonding
WLAN IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n
Qi Wireless charging
Navigation features
Nokia Maps
Nokia Drive: route optimization
Nokia City Lens
Nokia Transport
Offline maps
Turn-by-turn voice guided navigation
Positioning features
Magnetometer
A-GPS
WLAN Network Positioning
Glonass
Speed limit warnings
Online and offline favorites
Data bearers:
HSPA+ (3G)
EDGE/EGPRS (2G)
FD-LTE (4G)
HSUPA (3G)
GSM (2G)
HSDPA (3G)
WCDMA (3G)
Dual Transfer Mode (2G)
Bands:
GSM 850
GSM 900
GSM 1800
GSM 1900
WCDMA Band V (850)
WCDMA Band VIII (900)
WCDMA Band II (1900)
WCDMA Band I (2100)
LTE 800
LTE 900
LTE 1800
LTE 2100
LTE 2600
Connectors
Micro-USB Charging Connector
Micro-USB Data Connector
3.5 mm Universal Audio Connector
Micro-USB 2.0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slurpylol.
Apple will implement 'wireless' charging when it's actually- you know- wireless.
I fail to see the major advantage to this 'wireless' charging that requires a brick as large as the phone to be contact, which just happens to be slower than normal charging, and which adds internal complexity and bulk to the phone. There's nothing wireless about it. Yeah it's a neat gimmick, but beyond saving maybe 2 seconds a day plugging/unplugging the phone, serve no other advantage. I don't see Aple implementing a solution like this, it's simply a half way point and really non-elegant.
agreed...they botched their entire mobile OS situation.
We shall see, however.
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Originally Posted by daving313
Doesn't it make sense to let the consumers know the products that will be available to them before a pre-order of the new iPhone is available? If a consumer is aware that another device is coming out, they may hold off on the pre-order and wait to check out the other device when it's released.
I know this won't affect a large percentage of people, but this 920 announcement has me potentially holding off on an iPhone 5 pre-order.
`I am in the same boat. I have an iphone 4s and I might switch to wp8 and hold off on a iphone 5 preorder. I see ios getting stale. Yes for most people it suits their needs but apple hasnt been adding the features that I want. Like more info or widgets on the start screen.
I really hope the next iphone is different then the mockups.