[quote] Are you really gonna try to say that before Dylan lyrics had no significance and only literal meaning? <hr></blockquote>
yeah, gee i think it is safe to say that.
before chuck berry singers didn't write songs. singers sang, writers wrote songs for them to sing. chuck changed all that, probably because he knew there was money in it. but chuck's writing pretty much stuck to the american dream which was ironic since being a black man, the american dream was held a little further in the distance to him than most others.
but yeah pop music up until dylan was pretty much cars, girls, moon, june, girls and more girls.
dylan didn't invent social conscienceness, in thoughts or lyrics, but he was the first to put it in pop music.
and no, before bob dylan i don't think most song writers thought too much about their lyrics as long as they rhymed and held the interest of your average 14 year old for two and a half minutes.
now almost every singer writes the words he or she sings.
now most lyrics are an attempt to to deliver a message of some sort or another, rhymes be damned.
[quote] yeah, gee i think it is safe to say that. <hr></blockquote>
If anything, you could maybe convince me that Dylan popularized meaningful lyrics, but to say he invented them is bullshit. Anyway, I'd rather listen to music than argue about it so whatever.
the above was a joke, i did not mean to imply that any member of rush or yes was homosexual. or their fans. (but if they are, that's okay too.) i had a friend who used to called rush slide-rule rock.
i love topographic oceans!! (i love yes) i especially like all the haiku on topographic, and it was something that i never noticed until a couple of years ago.
that would be a good thread, best double albums/or most self indulgent albums!
[quote]Then there's the Beatles, who popularized meaningless lyrics! <hr></blockquote>
actually dylan kind of started that, as well. he got tired of everyone analyzing every lyric, so he just started playing word games, but they ended up being even more analyzed than anything else!
john shared dylans love for word play in lyrics as well as their books. (tarantula-dylan's book, spaniard in the works-john's book )
it was also john who encouraged paul to be more oblique with his words. (hey jude is a good example)
Did anybody mention Bruce Springsteen? Or Pink Floyd? Springsteen has unreal musical talent and can do about anything that pertains to music. Pink Floyd has one of the most unique and best sounds that I've ever heard. Springsteen is very strong in his music and his lyrics, they grab you and make you think, really get into the song. Pink Floyd is just your perfect mellow band (as "cliched" (sorry cant' spell) as that sounds). I was to young to hear Floyd when they were around and great, but what I hear I love.
Based on ALL of these elements except the "Mass Appeal", and "(mass) Influence" I have to vote for my favorite band,
<a href="http://www.radiators.org"; target="_blank">The New Orleans Radiators</a>. They are influenced by, and perform awesome covers of, many artists mentioned here including Stones, Dead, Dylan, Howlin Wolf, Muddy Waters, Robert Johnson and more. Plus they have a few hundred of the tightest and most lyrically delicious original songs you have ever heard. They have two guitarists that have been called the best and most intertwined pair in rock n roll. Much like the Dead, they can play any song they've ever played before on any given night and have never played the same setlist (or even anything close to it) from one night to the next. Visit <a href="http://www.ancientfurnace.net"; target="_blank">http://www.ancientfurnace.net</a>; to view setlists if you are not sure about that. 25 years, 3576 shows, 1443 different songs, 900 venues, 358 cities...
Lets just say that if you were to ever see these guys blow the roof off of a bar with 200-600 people attending, you would understand. PM me if you are interested in receiving a Soundboard copy of one of their shows. Check their website's tour dates link often, they tour a lot and are in AZ, CO, and CA all next month... they also play a lot in Minneapolis, NY/DC/MD, and Florida.
Now for bands you have all heard of:
- Start with the triad of the 1960s British Invasion which defined Rock n Roll:
The Rolling Stones
(still the prototype of the World's Greatest Rock n Roll Band, they took Blues and made it rock.... "The Stones learned that just fine from people like Howlin Wolf, Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson", yes, indeed!)
The Beatles
The Who
(besides their British Invasion work in the 60s, they introduced electronic synths to the rock world with Who's Next)
(60s honorable mention to The Kinks)
- 70s Rock
Pink Floyd
Led Zeppelin
Steely Dan
The Doobie Brothers
Aerosmith
- late 70s/early 80s definers of the Punk sound who helped bring it mainstream (in order of punk -> mainstream)
The Ramones
The Sex Pistols
The Clash
The Police
Talking Heads
- the 90s sound, still the most influential in today's sound
Nirvana
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Special Mention:
Bob Dylan
-superkarate said it best - he changed the way lyrics were thought of and written
The Grateful Dead
-what thuh Freak and running with scissors said. How many other bands could fill an arena AND play a different setlist, night after night after night?
But how long have they been filling arenas, compared to how long the Grateful Dead did it ?
By the way, did you hear about the new Grateful Dead cover band? They used to be called The Other Ones but have recently renamed themselves <a href="http://www.deadtickets.rlc.net/"; target="_blank">"The Dead"</a>
<strong>By the way, did you hear about the new Grateful Dead cover band? They used to be called The Other Ones but have recently renamed themselves <a href="http://www.deadtickets.rlc.net/"; target="_blank">"The Dead"</a>
ahem. The Other Ones were not a cover band. thats offensive. The Other Ones was a band of the surviving members of the Grateful Dead, who changed their name after Jerry's departure. Changing their name recently to the Dead to re-attach them to their old glory.
I have Tales from Topographic Oceans... really doesn't do much for me (although the time signatures are fun). I like Relayer more. Yes needs to go vegetarian and start smoking hash again.
It's tough to beat that kick ass part in Cygnus X-1 (Rush) with the bell tone in the background and that precision riff coming in.
Le Pink Floy is quite good too. Soft Machine wasn't influential but they did some crazy stuff before they went to hell (thanks, Karl Jenkins).
i think bob is a great phraser as well, the things he can do with phrasing are great. like rhyming capitol and skull on idiot wind, that kind of stuff was second nature to him.
i sympathize with people that can't listen to him because of his voice. i have a hard time listening to his voice since he's blown it out on the "tour that never ends."
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they are coming to athens... and i will be in ecuador
yeah, gee i think it is safe to say that.
before chuck berry singers didn't write songs. singers sang, writers wrote songs for them to sing. chuck changed all that, probably because he knew there was money in it. but chuck's writing pretty much stuck to the american dream which was ironic since being a black man, the american dream was held a little further in the distance to him than most others.
but yeah pop music up until dylan was pretty much cars, girls, moon, june, girls and more girls.
dylan didn't invent social conscienceness, in thoughts or lyrics, but he was the first to put it in pop music.
and no, before bob dylan i don't think most song writers thought too much about their lyrics as long as they rhymed and held the interest of your average 14 year old for two and a half minutes.
now almost every singer writes the words he or she sings.
now most lyrics are an attempt to to deliver a message of some sort or another, rhymes be damned.
but i don't trust rock bands that never sing about girls and have naked guys on their album covers.
this also holds true for those yes boys.
If anything, you could maybe convince me that Dylan popularized meaningful lyrics, but to say he invented them is bullshit. Anyway, I'd rather listen to music than argue about it so whatever.
that would be a good thread, best double albums/or most self indulgent albums!
topographic oceans
lamb lies down on broadway
exile on main street
the beatles
london calling
1999
the wall
bitches brew
tusk
quadrophenia
don juans reckless daughter
i love self indulgence in music....
actually dylan kind of started that, as well. he got tired of everyone analyzing every lyric, so he just started playing word games, but they ended up being even more analyzed than anything else!
john shared dylans love for word play in lyrics as well as their books. (tarantula-dylan's book, spaniard in the works-john's book )
it was also john who encouraged paul to be more oblique with his words. (hey jude is a good example)
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i didn't say he invented anything (see above for what i said)
i don't think anyone in music has invented anything.
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What is your choice and why?
Take these things into consideration:
Skill
Originality
Influence
Expression
Durability
Mass appeal
Creativity
Others?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Based on ALL of these elements except the "Mass Appeal", and "(mass) Influence" I have to vote for my favorite band,
<a href="http://www.radiators.org"; target="_blank">The New Orleans Radiators</a>. They are influenced by, and perform awesome covers of, many artists mentioned here including Stones, Dead, Dylan, Howlin Wolf, Muddy Waters, Robert Johnson and more. Plus they have a few hundred of the tightest and most lyrically delicious original songs you have ever heard. They have two guitarists that have been called the best and most intertwined pair in rock n roll. Much like the Dead, they can play any song they've ever played before on any given night and have never played the same setlist (or even anything close to it) from one night to the next. Visit <a href="http://www.ancientfurnace.net"; target="_blank">http://www.ancientfurnace.net</a>; to view setlists if you are not sure about that. 25 years, 3576 shows, 1443 different songs, 900 venues, 358 cities...
Lets just say that if you were to ever see these guys blow the roof off of a bar with 200-600 people attending, you would understand. PM me if you are interested in receiving a Soundboard copy of one of their shows. Check their website's tour dates link often, they tour a lot and are in AZ, CO, and CA all next month... they also play a lot in Minneapolis, NY/DC/MD, and Florida.
Now for bands you have all heard of:
- Start with the triad of the 1960s British Invasion which defined Rock n Roll:
The Rolling Stones
(still the prototype of the World's Greatest Rock n Roll Band, they took Blues and made it rock.... "The Stones learned that just fine from people like Howlin Wolf, Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson", yes, indeed!)
The Beatles
The Who
(besides their British Invasion work in the 60s, they introduced electronic synths to the rock world with Who's Next)
(60s honorable mention to The Kinks)
- 70s Rock
Pink Floyd
Led Zeppelin
Steely Dan
The Doobie Brothers
Aerosmith
- late 70s/early 80s definers of the Punk sound who helped bring it mainstream (in order of punk -> mainstream)
The Ramones
The Sex Pistols
The Clash
The Police
Talking Heads
- the 90s sound, still the most influential in today's sound
Nirvana
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Special Mention:
Bob Dylan
-superkarate said it best - he changed the way lyrics were thought of and written
The Grateful Dead
-what thuh Freak and running with scissors said. How many other bands could fill an arena AND play a different setlist, night after night after night?
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But there is one that is above every other band that ever roamed the earth:
-MARILLION-
go to <a href="http://www.marillion.com"; target="_blank">http://www.marillion.com</a>; to find a better way of life
I generally like the Fish era more but "Brave" is the best album ever recorded.
-JB
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Phish.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Phair enough
But how long have they been filling arenas, compared to how long the Grateful Dead did it ?
By the way, did you hear about the new Grateful Dead cover band? They used to be called The Other Ones but have recently renamed themselves <a href="http://www.deadtickets.rlc.net/"; target="_blank">"The Dead"</a>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>Thank god for Hendrix or I'd never be able to listen to Dylan's lyrical genius in musical form at all.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You do realize that *everyone* covers Dylan. From Manfred Mann through George Harrison to Olivia Newton John or the Mamas and the Papas.
The Byrds! <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />
<strong>By the way, did you hear about the new Grateful Dead cover band? They used to be called The Other Ones but have recently renamed themselves <a href="http://www.deadtickets.rlc.net/"; target="_blank">"The Dead"</a>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
ahem. The Other Ones were not a cover band. thats offensive. The Other Ones was a band of the surviving members of the Grateful Dead, who changed their name after Jerry's departure. Changing their name recently to the Dead to re-attach them to their old glory.
<strong>Phish.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Phish is great and all, but what do they offer really, aside from a rip off of the Grateful Dead.
i can listen to and enjoy almost anything these people have put on record
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It's tough to beat that kick ass part in Cygnus X-1 (Rush) with the bell tone in the background and that precision riff coming in.
Le Pink Floy is quite good too. Soft Machine wasn't influential but they did some crazy stuff before they went to hell (thanks, Karl Jenkins).
i sympathize with people that can't listen to him because of his voice. i have a hard time listening to his voice since he's blown it out on the "tour that never ends."