Sure it would be nice to have FaceTime over the cellular, but let be honest ... really honest with ourselves and ask your self this question ... would you really use face time? Sure its pretty cool and all, but there is no way I would drop my AT&T unlimited plan and pay extra for a feature that I would only use once or twice every six months.
Lets face it, when your in public, do you really want to have a conversation over FaceTime for everybody to hear? No, so where is the one place you would feel comfortable making a FaceTime call ... at home, where most everybody has wi-fi.
If they go ahead and reverse their decision ... great, if not ... no really big loss. With that said, I do agree that while you are paying for DATA already, for AT&T to charge you just for the ability to use a feature that is already on your phone is not right. You paid for your bucket of DATA and should be able to use it how you see fit ... period.
Did these same groups complain that Apple never released the specification of this so-called open protocol?
Probably not since the 2 issues have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
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Originally Posted by AdonisSMU
What is Apple waiting for? Why haven't they released the specification for this. It's been two years already. What are they waiting for?
They are waiting for Google to actually release Android as open source. Not that linux/android thing that isn't actually Android, but Android itself. Oh, what's that, Google is never going to open source Android, just pretend that they did? That's what I thought.
Sure it would be nice to have FaceTime over the cellular, but let be honest ... really honest with ourselves and ask your self this question ... would you really use face time? Sure its pretty cool and all, but there is no way I would drop my AT&T unlimited plan and pay extra for a feature that I would only use once or twice every six months.
Lets face it, when your in public, do you really want to have a conversation over FaceTime for everybody to hear? No, so where is the one place you would feel comfortable making a FaceTime call ... at home, where most everybody has wi-fi.
If they go ahead and reverse their decision ... great, if not ... no really big loss. With that said, I do agree that while you are paying for DATA already, for AT&T to charge you just for the ability to use a feature that is already on your phone is not right. You paid for your bucket of DATA and should be able to use it how you see fit ... period.
Tallest... this is from the main page (with the new theme) aka appleinsider.com. Went to the bottom under "Add your Comment", typed in 3-4 lines and hit submit. Only a portion of the 1st line showed up.
Thanks for that. I think that's actually the problem here; typing an ampersand from there instead of the forum proper.
Sure it would be nice to have FaceTime over the cellular, but let be honest ... really honest with ourselves and ask your self this question ... would you really use face time? Sure its pretty cool and all, but there is no way I would drop my AT&T unlimited plan and pay extra for a feature that I would only use once or twice every six months.
Lets face it, when your in public, do you really want to have a conversation over FaceTime for everybody to hear? No, so where is the one place you would feel comfortable making a FaceTime call ... at home, where most everybody has wi-fi.
If they go ahead and reverse their decision ... great, if not ... no really big loss. With that said, I do agree that while you are paying for DATA already, for AT&T to charge you just for the ability to use a feature that is already on your phone is not right. You paid for your bucket of DATA and should be able to use it how you see fit ... period.
Eh what do I care? I use Skype anyway, and AT&T just bumped my unlimited-before-throttling threshold from 2 gigs to 5, so I'm pretty happy with my unlimited data plan right now. Now if they win their argument, I'll smile at their victory as a matter of principle, but again, not gonna affect me either way since I've not used FaceTime once since the day it was announced.
Meanwhile here in the little UK, I get unlimited data with Giffgaff for £10/$15 a month with no contract! That includes FaceTime! When it comes to telecoms, the USA is a rip off
Exactly, most other places have competition. Here, Congress let the companies merge back into effectively 3-4 carriers total, and clearly that's not fostering much in the way of customer value. And the best part is that they're doing this using public spectrum that already effectively gives them a monopoly - and then pumping up fat profits.
I paid for my data, so let me f*&*^(*&ing use it. And if they don't like it because 'well, if our customers actually use the bandwidth they paid for it will bring down our network!", then give me a refund my unused data every month since apparently I'm not really supposed to use it.
Just total a-holes.
Edit: Just wanted to say I hope that the advocacy groups are successful, and this is one of those things where I'm going to go look for their sites and see if I can donate. Somebody has to look out for our rights, it isn't going to be companies, and if our elected 'leaders' won't do it then it's worth supporting someone who will. Crazy.
"Shared" data. What a joke. As someone posted here earlier, it's as if the water company charged your per faucet. How does AT&T get away with this? What a gouging of the marketplace....
So to get Cellular FaceTime, I have to go from a cheap plan with phone minutes to an expensive plan with "unlimited" minutes, in order to use a feature that makes phone minutes irrelevant, since I can mute the video and use FaceTime just a phone call. The face that FaceTime provides additional features doesn't mean that AT
"We are broadening our customers' ability to use the preloaded version of FaceTime but limiting it in this manner to our newly developed AT&T Mobile Share data plans out of an overriding concern for the impact this expansion may have on our network and the overall customer experience," AT&T representative Bob Quinn said last month.
I can currently stream YouTube or Netflix videos over 3G until my 200 MB of data is used up, how does my using FaceTime trigger "Overriding concern" about their network? AT&T's FaceTime policy is a transparent attempt to strong-arm conservative users of data into more expensive plans and consumers are justified in their anger. The very second a viable alternative exists millions will jump on it.
Apple, when will you have the confidence to offer a VOIP solution that gives cellular providers no choice but to accept their inevitable role as data utilities?
Probably not since the 2 issues have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
They are waiting for Google to actually release Android as open source. Not that linux/android thing that isn't actually Android, but Android itself. Oh, what's that, Google is never going to open source Android, just pretend that they did? That's what I thought.
Maybe, but Apple did state when they introduced Facetime that they would make its specs open so that anyone could use it. I wish they had done so as promised. It would be nice to have a single videoconferencing standard that everyone used.
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Sure it would be nice to have FaceTime over the cellular, but let be honest ... really honest with ourselves and ask your self this question ... would you really use face time? Sure its pretty cool and all, but there is no way I would drop my AT&T unlimited plan and pay extra for a feature that I would only use once or twice every six months.
Lets face it, when your in public, do you really want to have a conversation over FaceTime for everybody to hear? No, so where is the one place you would feel comfortable making a FaceTime call ... at home, where most everybody has wi-fi.
If they go ahead and reverse their decision ... great, if not ... no really big loss. With that said, I do agree that while you are paying for DATA already, for AT&T to charge you just for the ability to use a feature that is already on your phone is not right. You paid for your bucket of DATA and should be able to use it how you see fit ... period.
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Originally Posted by bryanl
Did these same groups complain that Apple never released the specification of this so-called open protocol?
Probably not since the 2 issues have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
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Originally Posted by AdonisSMU
What is Apple waiting for? Why haven't they released the specification for this. It's been two years already. What are they waiting for?
They are waiting for Google to actually release Android as open source. Not that linux/android thing that isn't actually Android, but Android itself. Oh, what's that, Google is never going to open source Android, just pretend that they did? That's what I thought.
Sure it would be nice to have FaceTime over the cellular, but let be honest ... really honest with ourselves and ask your self this question ... would you really use face time? Sure its pretty cool and all, but there is no way I would drop my AT&T unlimited plan and pay extra for a feature that I would only use once or twice every six months.
Lets face it, when your in public, do you really want to have a conversation over FaceTime for everybody to hear? No, so where is the one place you would feel comfortable making a FaceTime call ... at home, where most everybody has wi-fi.
If they go ahead and reverse their decision ... great, if not ... no really big loss. With that said, I do agree that while you are paying for DATA already, for AT&T to charge you just for the ability to use a feature that is already on your phone is not right. You paid for your bucket of DATA and should be able to use it how you see fit ... period.
Originally Posted by enjourni
Tallest... this is from the main page (with the new theme) aka appleinsider.com. Went to the bottom under "Add your Comment", typed in 3-4 lines and hit submit. Only a portion of the 1st line showed up.
Thanks for that. I think that's actually the problem here; typing an ampersand from there instead of the forum proper.
I'm not a fan of that comment section myself…
Sure it would be nice to have FaceTime over the cellular, but let be honest ... really honest with ourselves and ask your self this question ... would you really use face time? Sure its pretty cool and all, but there is no way I would drop my AT&T unlimited plan and pay extra for a feature that I would only use once or twice every six months.
Lets face it, when your in public, do you really want to have a conversation over FaceTime for everybody to hear? No, so where is the one place you would feel comfortable making a FaceTime call ... at home, where most everybody has wi-fi.
If they go ahead and reverse their decision ... great, if not ... no really big loss. With that said, I do agree that while you are paying for DATA already, for AT&T to charge you just for the ability to use a feature that is already on your phone is not right. You paid for your bucket of DATA and should be able to use it how you see fit ... period.
Yep, that's exactly the problem. Ugh… I'll tell everyone else.
TEST POST:
This is a sentencejQuery18108677812677342445_1347987703126!! This is another sentence. (Tested here was the use of two question marks in a row. "??")
AT [sentence cut off] (Tested here was the use of an ampersand. "&")
EDIT: Yep, that's exactly the problem. I'll tell the other mods, but there's nothing we can do to fix it other than tell the people who can.
Sorry, my computer froze and I kept hitting submit and didn't know it kept posting it. I don't know how to delete the extra ones.
Originally Posted by iButterfingers
Sorry, my computer froze and I kept hitting submit and didn't know it kept posting it. I don't know how to delete the extra ones.
I only see one. So that's good. Maybe.
Don't worry about it; we're having all sorts of glitches lately.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I only see one. So that's good. Maybe.
Don't worry about it; we're having all sorts of glitches lately.
His previous one shows up 4 or 5 times
They already did. Throttling on unlimited plan for iPhone 5 users now begins at 5 gigs, up from previous 2.
Originally Posted by joelsalt
His previous one shows up 4 or 5 times
… On forums.appleinsider.com, or appleinsider.com? That's not the case for me in either place.
And IN that case, that's absolutely horrible. How am I supposed to clean that up if it's not even pushed to me?!
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Originally Posted by Falkirk81
Meanwhile here in the little UK, I get unlimited data with Giffgaff for £10/$15 a month with no contract! That includes FaceTime! When it comes to telecoms, the USA is a rip off
Exactly, most other places have competition. Here, Congress let the companies merge back into effectively 3-4 carriers total, and clearly that's not fostering much in the way of customer value. And the best part is that they're doing this using public spectrum that already effectively gives them a monopoly - and then pumping up fat profits.
I paid for my data, so let me f*&*^(*&ing use it. And if they don't like it because 'well, if our customers actually use the bandwidth they paid for it will bring down our network!", then give me a refund my unused data every month since apparently I'm not really supposed to use it.
Just total a-holes.
Edit: Just wanted to say I hope that the advocacy groups are successful, and this is one of those things where I'm going to go look for their sites and see if I can donate. Somebody has to look out for our rights, it isn't going to be companies, and if our elected 'leaders' won't do it then it's worth supporting someone who will. Crazy.
So THAT'S the "AT" that everyone's been posting?. I thought it was just some new acronym that I wasn't hip to.
"Shared" data. What a joke. As someone posted here earlier, it's as if the water company charged your per faucet. How does AT&T get away with this? What a gouging of the marketplace....
Quote:
"We are broadening our customers' ability to use the preloaded version of FaceTime but limiting it in this manner to our newly developed AT&T Mobile Share data plans out of an overriding concern for the impact this expansion may have on our network and the overall customer experience," AT&T representative Bob Quinn said last month.
I can currently stream YouTube or Netflix videos over 3G until my 200 MB of data is used up, how does my using FaceTime trigger "Overriding concern" about their network? AT&T's FaceTime policy is a transparent attempt to strong-arm conservative users of data into more expensive plans and consumers are justified in their anger. The very second a viable alternative exists millions will jump on it.
Apple, when will you have the confidence to offer a VOIP solution that gives cellular providers no choice but to accept their inevitable role as data utilities?
Sure. Straight Talk allows it - and you're even using the ATT network, so there's no need to change phones.
Maybe, but Apple did state when they introduced Facetime that they would make its specs open so that anyone could use it. I wish they had done so as promised. It would be nice to have a single videoconferencing standard that everyone used.