I haven't had any more problems with Apples map than Googles. I expect like all things it will get better. This is the press having their first Steve Jobs schadenfreude moment.
Why does Apple need to be in the retail music business?
To sell iPods and iPhones.
Right - they did not want to be at the mercy of a third party supplier. With mapping now a core feature of phones and tablets, I think the same answer applies.
I wish Apple would get back to remembering what they do best, and outsource the rest. Google doesn't build hardware, why does Apple need to be in the mapping business?
What about Google TV, Project Glass, and the Motorola acquisition?
Sorry, but hits on Google doesn't back up your assertions at all. If you don't understand why, you probably shouldn't be making statements about anything asserting what is better.
Why don't they?
It's not a perfect system but its the best one available. The results aren't going to be precise but they're very likely to be accurate. It gives the broadest analysis of global experiences and Google's search results aren't going to be censored in any way.
Checking out 5 addresses out of hundreds of millions is a far worse solution. A meta-analysis is the only option and Google search is the best way to do that meta-analysis.
I think Gruber has been calling Apple an experience company in recent years.
That makes sense. But I still would argue great hardware is Apple's biggest selling feature. If the iPhone came in a Galaxy S3 type crappy plastic enclosure I wouldn't be buying it that's for sure. I'm not that wedded to iOS.
Living here in Ontario, Canada, maps may be more of an issue. Analyses has shown that we have dropped off the face of Apple iOS 6 maps, with only about 30-40% of towns and cities accurately placed, or even placed at all. However I rarely used iPhone maps, and never used in small towns. For rare out of car use, I bought a 3rd party map app as Google maps was often wrong. It is not Apple's finest moment but I can honestly say that this map issue is not a factor in my continued use of iPhone nor a deterrent in upgrading to iPhone 5.
Yet, it's said to be better in China. You may say that you don't live in China, but I don't live in Ontario, nor do the residents of China. Not attacking your comments, just pointing out that these anecdotal reports are necessarily highly subjective and localized. So, perhaps worse one place, but also perhaps better in another.
I agree. It is all about trying to stir up more anti Apple sentiment. The article is even titled in a way to mislead and get eyeballs. It reads at first glance as if the current solution was a last minute idea. This is tabloid journalism at its worst and a trend here on AI also and frankly turning me off reading AI more and more.
It seems AI is more interested in attracting Apple haters these days. I am going to go read Mac Rumors now and I may not be back here much as I used to be.
Odd that you say that... I've been visiting MR more and more lately...
The technical operation of the AI site has deteriorated, and AI doesn't seem interested in fixing it -- Likely, Apple maps will evolve into the first-class mapping service before you can add emoticons to an AI post... Really, how hard can that be?
But, much worse is the infestation of trolls on every thread -- reasoned discussion is becoming impossible. Possible solution is to delay each post until it has been moderated by a human and evaluated as to whether it contributes to the discussion.
It's not a perfect system but its the best one available. The results aren't going to be precise but they're very likely to be accurate. It gives the broadest analysis of global experiences and Google's search results aren't going to be censored in any way.
Checking out 5 addresses out of hundreds of millions is a far worse solution. A meta-analysis is the only option and Google search is the best way to do that meta-analysis.
So, if I find more results that GW Bush is a villain than that OBL is a villain, that would prove that GWB is a bigger villain than OBL. Do you begin to see how ridiculous and beside your point your "evidence" is?
What about Google TV, Project Glass, and the Motorola acquisition?
Does google actually build TV's or set top boxes? I think the Motorola acquisition was more about nabbing up patents than wanting to get into the hardware business.
...but if the counter-argument, that Google's data also has plenty of errors, is correct, then there should be ample evidence in the form of examples that iOS gets correct and Google gets wrong. I haven't found any such cases in my area, and I've looked quite extensively so that I could report errors in the iOS maps, but others may have excellent examples where iOS maps are better. I'd like to hear about those for balance.
That's the same argument we see from trolls when they try to say that Android or Windows or whatever is better. They point a single instance of the other not being perfect and they think it's suppose to somehow even the playing field regardless of the ratio of flaws between them.
For instance, when it was announced the original iPad wasn't getting iOS 6 it was claimed that iOS was just as fragmented as Android. This is the sort of mental warping I'm seeing here from people defending Apple Maps without any critical thinking about ways that it's both inferior and superior.
It maybe says more about the unreasonable flak that Apple gets for fictitious issues that leads some here to become over-defensive in an instance like this. Plus we are so used to Apple nailing it virtually every time. But, ignoring disingenuous ads from Google, this is a reasonable subject to debate.
It takes a lot of work to put together a mapping service and Apple just hasn't put in the time yet. If only Tim or Scott had presented Apple Maps in the context of Google was trying to stick it to us and we had no other choice but to start from scratch and build a map solution of our own to be able to offer free turn by turn to our users. Apple Maps is still a work in progress and we need your help to make it better. If you find an error please use the 'report a problem' button and together we will make Apple Maps as good or better than any other map service out there.
But no, they had to get up on the stage and proclaim it was the most powerful and most elegant mapping solution the world has ever known. That was the blunder, not releasing it unfinished, just the hubris of claiming it was already the best.
Again, that's a red herring you introduced into the discussion, not I.
You introduced it when you said that one can't reasonable decide if something is better or worse if it can't be exactly quantified. I'll make sure to use your lameduck argument the next time to blindly claim Apple is ahead of some other company/ I'll likely agree with you that they are but I'll expect you to exactly quantify the unquantifiable as you try to use the Android/Windows user's argument as to why Apple's products are just hype when they can list spec sheet items that have had for years in a very poor form compared to a much better experience Apple usually gets right out of the gate.
Another article quoting "has beens" and "speculators". Maybe the NYT would like to list all of the outstanding innovations they have made without any problem. You can likely list them between the following two periods. .
Does google actually build TV's or set top boxes? I think the Motorola acquisition was more about nabbing up patents than wanting to get into the hardware business.
Until they shed that side of the business, yes Google does build and sell set-top boxes thru their subsidiary Motorola Mobility
It takes a lot of work to put together a mapping service and Apple just hasn't put in the time yet. If only Tim or Scott had presented Apple Maps in the context of Google was trying to stick it to us and we had no other choice but to start from scratch and build a map solution of our own to be able to offer free turn by turn to our users. Apple Maps is still a work in progress and we need your help to make it better. If you find an error please use the 'report a problem' button and together we will make Apple Maps as good or better than any other map service out there.
But no, they had to get up on the stage and proclaim it was the most powerful and most elegant mapping solution the world has ever known. That was the blunder, not releasing it unfinished, just the hubris of claiming it was already the best.
I agree they should have called it beta software but leave the Google politics out of it.
Prediction: Apple will have the best mapping service within a year.
I'd say Apple will have the best mapping service in many regards within a year. There new Maps for iOS 6 is already worlds above iOS 5 in many regards, but some of that is because of Google's poor backend offerings. I haven't directly compared it to Google Maps on Android and Nokia Maps on WinPh7 but I suspect Apple Maps would best them in some ways right now.
I'm not sure I'll think Apple has the de facto best mapping service if they don't offer every major feature that is currently available by others. A street view service, for example, would be needed.
I was recorded by a Navteq True car whilst standing in line for my iPhone last week. I didn't even know they were doing such a service. If Apple can license this tech it appears to be much better than the game of Myst running on a 200MHz Pentium PC that we currently have from Google Street View.
Now, I'm sure someone is saying "But Apple won't use Navteq because they want to own the entire mapping service." Not true. They still license several aspects of Apple Maps with TomTom, Waze, Yelp, and at least a dozen others. Owning your own maps doesn't mean not contracting with others for support.
Great video of map data gathering... Now, if they could only mount that technology on a golf cart…
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Exactly how far behind is Windows behind Mac OS X?
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
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Originally Posted by muppetry
Why does Apple need to be in the retail music business?
To sell iPods and iPhones.
Right - they did not want to be at the mercy of a third party supplier. With mapping now a core feature of phones and tablets, I think the same answer applies.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I wish Apple would get back to remembering what they do best, and outsource the rest. Google doesn't build hardware, why does Apple need to be in the mapping business?
What about Google TV, Project Glass, and the Motorola acquisition?
Why don't they?
It's not a perfect system but its the best one available. The results aren't going to be precise but they're very likely to be accurate. It gives the broadest analysis of global experiences and Google's search results aren't going to be censored in any way.
Checking out 5 addresses out of hundreds of millions is a far worse solution. A meta-analysis is the only option and Google search is the best way to do that meta-analysis.
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Originally Posted by TeeJay2012
Living here in Ontario, Canada, maps may be more of an issue. Analyses has shown that we have dropped off the face of Apple iOS 6 maps, with only about 30-40% of towns and cities accurately placed, or even placed at all. However I rarely used iPhone maps, and never used in small towns. For rare out of car use, I bought a 3rd party map app as Google maps was often wrong. It is not Apple's finest moment but I can honestly say that this map issue is not a factor in my continued use of iPhone nor a deterrent in upgrading to iPhone 5.
Yet, it's said to be better in China. You may say that you don't live in China, but I don't live in Ontario, nor do the residents of China. Not attacking your comments, just pointing out that these anecdotal reports are necessarily highly subjective and localized. So, perhaps worse one place, but also perhaps better in another.
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Exactly how far behind is Windows behind Mac OS X?
Again, that's a red herring you introduced into the discussion, not I.
Odd that you say that... I've been visiting MR more and more lately...
The technical operation of the AI site has deteriorated, and AI doesn't seem interested in fixing it -- Likely, Apple maps will evolve into the first-class mapping service before you can add emoticons to an AI post... Really, how hard can that be?
But, much worse is the infestation of trolls on every thread -- reasoned discussion is becoming impossible. Possible solution is to delay each post until it has been moderated by a human and evaluated as to whether it contributes to the discussion.
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Originally Posted by RichL
Why don't they?
It's not a perfect system but its the best one available. The results aren't going to be precise but they're very likely to be accurate. It gives the broadest analysis of global experiences and Google's search results aren't going to be censored in any way.
Checking out 5 addresses out of hundreds of millions is a far worse solution. A meta-analysis is the only option and Google search is the best way to do that meta-analysis.
So, if I find more results that GW Bush is a villain than that OBL is a villain, that would prove that GWB is a bigger villain than OBL. Do you begin to see how ridiculous and beside your point your "evidence" is?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
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Originally Posted by muppetry
...but if the counter-argument, that Google's data also has plenty of errors, is correct, then there should be ample evidence in the form of examples that iOS gets correct and Google gets wrong. I haven't found any such cases in my area, and I've looked quite extensively so that I could report errors in the iOS maps, but others may have excellent examples where iOS maps are better. I'd like to hear about those for balance.
That's the same argument we see from trolls when they try to say that Android or Windows or whatever is better. They point a single instance of the other not being perfect and they think it's suppose to somehow even the playing field regardless of the ratio of flaws between them.
For instance, when it was announced the original iPad wasn't getting iOS 6 it was claimed that iOS was just as fragmented as Android. This is the sort of mental warping I'm seeing here from people defending Apple Maps without any critical thinking about ways that it's both inferior and superior.
It maybe says more about the unreasonable flak that Apple gets for fictitious issues that leads some here to become over-defensive in an instance like this. Plus we are so used to Apple nailing it virtually every time. But, ignoring disingenuous ads from Google, this is a reasonable subject to debate.
People should probably read this web page in its entirety before arguing about Google Maps one way or the other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps
It takes a lot of work to put together a mapping service and Apple just hasn't put in the time yet. If only Tim or Scott had presented Apple Maps in the context of Google was trying to stick it to us and we had no other choice but to start from scratch and build a map solution of our own to be able to offer free turn by turn to our users. Apple Maps is still a work in progress and we need your help to make it better. If you find an error please use the 'report a problem' button and together we will make Apple Maps as good or better than any other map service out there.
But no, they had to get up on the stage and proclaim it was the most powerful and most elegant mapping solution the world has ever known. That was the blunder, not releasing it unfinished, just the hubris of claiming it was already the best.
You introduced it when you said that one can't reasonable decide if something is better or worse if it can't be exactly quantified. I'll make sure to use your lameduck argument the next time to blindly claim Apple is ahead of some other company/ I'll likely agree with you that they are but I'll expect you to exactly quantify the unquantifiable as you try to use the Android/Windows user's argument as to why Apple's products are just hype when they can list spec sheet items that have had for years in a very poor form compared to a much better experience Apple usually gets right out of the gate.
What a crippled rag
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
Does google actually build TV's or set top boxes? I think the Motorola acquisition was more about nabbing up patents than wanting to get into the hardware business.
Until they shed that side of the business, yes Google does build and sell set-top boxes thru their subsidiary Motorola Mobility
Great video of map data gathering... Now, if they could only mount that technology on a golf cart…