Homosexuals and kids
Its a question that is discussed here in Denmark at the moment so I want to know what arguments for and against the AI crowd have on this:
1) Should homosexual couples be able to adopt kids? Right now heterosexual people and homosexual singles are allowed here
2) Should lesbians be able to get artificial insemination? RIght now couples and single females are able to get it for free from a doctor. But lesbian couples aren´t even allowed to pay a doctor to do this. Only place in northern Europe where they do this is a midwife who are allowed to do this because she is NOT a doctor (strange laws sometimes)
1) Should homosexual couples be able to adopt kids? Right now heterosexual people and homosexual singles are allowed here
2) Should lesbians be able to get artificial insemination? RIght now couples and single females are able to get it for free from a doctor. But lesbian couples aren´t even allowed to pay a doctor to do this. Only place in northern Europe where they do this is a midwife who are allowed to do this because she is NOT a doctor (strange laws sometimes)
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needs a pet
anybody who genuinely wants to rescue an abandoned child
is a hero
Difficult to tell the difference sometimes, but often, it's homos with money running into this problem, like all monied people, they're more likely to fall into the first category than the second.
Homos without money, like heteros without money, have poor adoption chances. They can't buy babies or sperm.
Rosie O'Donnel is the enemy.
Ah, sort it out for yourselves...
Who am I to say they can't raise a kid? If an 'unfit' heterosexual couple is allowed to have a kid and then give them up for adoption, then why can't a 'fit' homosexual couple be allowed to adopt the child?
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2) Should lesbians be able to get artificial insemination? RIght now couples and single females are able to get it for free from a doctor. But lesbian couples aren´t even allowed to pay a doctor to do this.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, I think lesbian couples should first see whether they can get natural insemination for free from me...
My opinion on the subject:
There's no reason a homosexual is less fit to raise a child than a heterosexual. I mean, there are cases of sexual abuse of girls by their fathers, but they are very rare. And as far as homosexual parents "programming" a child to be a homosexual... well, those statements are pretty groundless, because we know that almost all people (therefore almost all homosexuals) came from heterosexual relationships. Sometimes, a child's conservative heterosexual parents will try to dissuade their homosexual child from expressing themselves, but deep down it's just who you are.
So, if heterosexual parents raise homosexual children all the time, and sexual abuse within a family is rare... why should it be any different the other way around? I think most of the laws in place regarding homosexuality are leftover from a very conservative, hateful time in our nation's history.
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<strong>There's no reason a homosexual is less fit to raise a child than a heterosexual.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I knew this would come up, it's a politically correct cop-out, there are reasons very specific to being homosexual. You've made them as naive as can be, but the community has not done it's best help its own case. They've made a politics out of hedonism, and now they have to pay some of the consequences of that because it reflects very directly on the upbringing of a child. Do gays stay together as much as heteros? What do we know about the relative state of fidelity, promiscuity, and monogamy in the gay community? What we know tends be a strike against gays in general (even if it isn't fair to individual members).
This doesn't discount homos, but neither is it a specifically anti-homo stance, it's part of the same thinking that typically disadvantages single people.
A community with a gay pride day that looks the way gay pride days tend to look (here in TO) is asking for much of the resistance they receive. Too bad too, because many of the homos who want children probably don't fit the flaming parade day stereotype.
male/male are the shortest
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male/female
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female/female
i'll find the source. it was in an old psych. textbook i kept 'cause they'd only buy it back for $3.
IIRC, the female/female was significantly longer than the male/female, which was much longer than the male/male.
what you really might want to look at though is how people turn out in homes w/o a father or mother.
I know that gay male promiscuity is off the scales, but I don't have the numbers.
As for hetero male promiscuity, I was surprised by how bad it is.
Hetero marriage? a disaster yes, but I think part of the adoption process involves a judgement about how likely it is that a couple will stay together.
That's what irks me about celeb adoption, or rent a kid. In any sane metric, no one would look at these people and decide they have a decent shot at staying together, but Rosie and woody can have all the unfortunate children they want because of who they are. I doubt that celebs see children as anything other than really smart pets.
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Like many of you i don't think that homosexual will be worse parents than heterosexual.
But childs like strong references, and are very normative. They can live without these norms but they are normative, they want to look like the others. They like to have a father and a mother like any other else. They suffer when their parents divorces.
So the question is : is it good to be raised by homosexual parents in a psychological point of vue ?
Even in the time of the ancient greek, these case never appear, there where a mother and a father, even if both have serious homosexual escape.
Weird.
<strong>The main problem with adoption of childs by homosexual are the parent's model.
But childs like strong references, and are very normative. They can live without these norms but they are normative, they want to look like the others. They like to have a father and a mother like any other else. They suffer when their parents divorces.
So the question is : is it good to be raised by homosexual parents in a psychological point of view?</strong><hr></blockquote>
This and one more thing. It is fact that a child should grow in harmony. Remember orphans or children brought up by one parent ? most of them have some difficulties with comunication; not many of them would admit it, though. This may not be obvious in light of idiots and jerks brought up by 2 parents, but still. Can you imagine yourself 5 years old telling a friend of yours that you have two mothers? Two fathers? Mother and father each of which has a penis? Do you all think it's just OK? It's frightening.
The god-damned politics who push such laws don't give a damn about children in general and your children too. If I were gay I would not even dare to think about having a child in those circumstances. Unless I wanted to turn the child's life into a nightmare.
Gays and lesbians, do what you want, nobody wants to take your sexual life ? just leave kids alone!