Interesting - Now Google has a real brand in Nexus, with 3 products spanning different sizes and utility. Particularly interesting that they use LG to make Nexus 4, Asus to make Nexus 7 and Samsung to make Samsung 10. Have they heard of a company called Motorola?
So the Verge knocked the 4S for not having LTE, yet they devote a whole column to explain why the Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE. And people still claim these tech sites don't have an anti-Apple bias?
Andy Rubin put it this way: "Tactically, we want to make sure the devices are available for every network on the planet." For now, that means that the Nexus 4 will only be available as an unlocked HSPA+ device.
Excuses. Doesn't this mean it won't work on Verizon? And doesn't he also imply it'll never have LTE?
So the Verge knocked the 4S for not having LTE, yet they devote a whole column to explain why the Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE. And people still claim these tech sites don't have an anti-Apple bias?
No kidding. The 4S was trashed and mocked for not having LTE, and panned for being 'years behind', a 'joke', etc. Yet more than a year later, Google's flagship Android phone doesnt have it, even when the newest iPhones/iPads do, and everyone is falling over themselves to justify it.
Most CEO's get there by using social skills, not by technical prowess. They took a decade to remove John Sculley, and nearly killed Apple in the process...
You only need to look at some of the decisions made at Nokia, RIMM and MIcrosoft over the past decade, to realise the sum is not firing on all cylinders.
Actually, Sculley did very well at Apple until the nineties, at which point he was removed quite quickly. His successors were suits with not many other talents, however. MSFT has had its problems under Ballmer, but he has generally done a pretty decent job (Skype is doing very well, Xbox, which looked like a disaster at first, is quite successful, and Kynect is a major UI advance, admittedly, um, inspired by the Wii, Windows 7 is a very solid OS). Nokia has been a victim of its carrier relationships. RIMM? Well, if your major selling point is MS exchange compatibility, one could argue that the chickens would come home to roost eventually.
So the Verge knocked the 4S for not having LTE, yet they devote a whole column to explain why the Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE. And people still claim these tech sites don't have an anti-Apple bias?
It isn't bias. The market for this phone is really clear in my mind and I'm getting very worried for Apple with this latest Google response. It's beginning to feel a little like 1995 around here again.
Apple absolutely needs LTE in their flagship phone of which they produce one a year and also it is the phone that justifes fat margins and a minimum price of $650 per phone.
The Nexus line has not been a true flagship line but more like a baseline platform target for where Android should minimally be for the next year.
Apple has had two quarters now where the first hit their targets but did not hit their whisper number and now a quarter where they just outright didn't hit their own targets. It is clear that the slowing of growth with regard to Apple is OUTSIDE of the United States. In the United States, subsidy model helps hide the true cost of buying an iPhone. Outside the U.S. it is a completely different story. This phone is clearly targeted for stunting and stopping the growth of Apple outside the U.S. It is $300-$350 out the door, barely half the price of an iPhone. It has the latest 3G standard but doesn't sweat having a divided 4G standard.
It is clear U.S. carriers are using 4G/LTE to push people into more expensive plans, take away their data options, lock phones to their network again, etc.
The Samsung Galaxy S3 OUTSIDE the U.S. has 3G and a quad-core processor. Within the U.S. it has a dual-core and LTE. Samsung has had no problem selling them worldwide.
Google's eco-system is inferior to Apple's but they are now beating Apple on price, beating them on most specs and it appears their OS is at least on par if perhaps not better depending upon your view.
That doesn't mean Apple dies overnight. It doesn't mean Apple has no momentum to sustain them.
It does mean we should be concerned. Apple has already fired their holiday season shot. This isn't six months later and we all don't mind waiting until close to Christmas knowing that Apple will produce something amazing again.
Awesome resolution on the Nexus 10, but I sure hope it's not pentile garbage.
The Nexus 4....no LTE, no removable battery (Android users care), no SD slot (again, comparing against other androids). but $349 unlocked! that is cheap (maybe in other ways too =P). Samsung and other OEMs must be upset at this pricing, then again all Nexus pricing looks to be screwing over their own partners at the cost of fighting Apple.
Prices and specs are great but I am not sure how google can convinced those partners to dump hardware with no margins like that. Not to mention if I was Samsung I would not be too happy about the LG phone at this price.
To be fair, he did put it in quotes. But that completely invalidates his entire argument in the first place, so he was probably still intending it to mean "5th" without quotes. In which case, yeah, I'll tear into him.
NOPE. Third redesign.
A good chuckle on a lousy rainy Monday morning
(Hey and I just realized we finally have more emoticons than the laughing one. Good job AI, welcome to 2001)
No kidding. The 4S was trashed and mocked for not having LTE, and panned for being 'years behind', a 'joke', etc. Yet more than a year later, Google's flagship Android phone doesnt have it, even when the newest iPhones/iPads do, and everyone is falling over themselves to justify it.
The Nexus devices aren't meant as "flagship" models. They've been used as proof-of-concept models used to preview and launch new OS versions. "Flagship" models have been left to the Android licensees themselves to develop.
It isn't bias. The market for this phone is really clear in my mind and I'm getting very worried for Apple with this latest Google response. It's beginning to feel a little like 1995 around here again.
Apple absolutely needs LTE in their flagship phone of which they produce one a year and also it is the phone that justifes fat margins and a minimum price of $650 per phone.
The Nexus line has not been a true flagship line but more like a baseline platform target for where Android should minimally be for the next year.
Apple has had two quarters now where the first hit their targets but did not hit their whisper number and now a quarter where they just outright didn't hit their own targets. It is clear that the slowing of growth with regard to Apple is OUTSIDE of the United States. In the United States, subsidy model helps hide the true cost of buying an iPhone. Outside the U.S. it is a completely different story. This phone is clearly targeted for stunting and stopping the growth of Apple outside the U.S. It is $300-$350 out the door, barely half the price of an iPhone. It has the latest 3G standard but doesn't sweat having a divided 4G standard.
It is clear U.S. carriers are using 4G/LTE to push people into more expensive plans, take away their data options, lock phones to their network again, etc.
The Samsung Galaxy S3 OUTSIDE the U.S. has 3G and a quad-core processor. Within the U.S. it has a dual-core and LTE. Samsung has had no problem selling them worldwide.
Google's eco-system is inferior to Apple's but they are now beating Apple on price, beating them on most specs and it appears their OS is at least on par if perhaps not better depending upon your view.
That doesn't mean Apple dies overnight. It doesn't mean Apple has no momentum to sustain them.
It does mean we should be concerned. Apple has already fired their holiday season shot. This isn't six months later and we all don't mind waiting until close to Christmas knowing that Apple will produce something amazing again.
This....this is six days later.
Apple didnt miss any of there guidance, but the beats are slowing down indeed.
I think the ipad 4 update was to counter that nexus 10 tablet. Apple is on the defensive in the tablet space. But the price are very agressive, not easy for Apple to counter this without hurting there margins. I still think Apple ecosystem, build quality and design are better and it may keep strong sales going on. They are after all, selling every phone and tablet they can make.
Apple is going to see operating margins improvement in Q2, it may pass that to the consumer by lowering there price. I dont think they will have a choice actually.
A new point release without a new version code name? While I have complained about new versions of the platform not making it to older devices, just keeping the same platform name isn't really solving the problem, Google. :P
It also seems like Google is returning fire on the Windows RT platform with the addition of multiple user profiles on the tablets. But I gotta say a "guest" profile on my smartphone would be sweet, that way I could let someone bum my phone for web searching while keeping my data away from their fat, regularly-accidentally-hits-the-delete-option fingers. (Hey Apple, that's a hint-hint for you too.)
Anyone know why the 9.7" model is called a Nexus 10, yet the 4.7" model is called a Nexus 4? Shouldn't one reason that the 4.7" model be called a Nexus 5 or the 9.7" model be called a Nexus 9?
Same reason the 6th iphone is called iphone5, and the 9th windows was called windows7
nice going staying on topic. Its like catching snakes swimming in lube.
The point I was making is the Nexus 4 is not limited to using just 'proprietary' wireless charging, but can also use the industry standard mico-USB. Cables for which are available for a lot less than $19. Apologies for any confusion caused.
I don't know, and I don't believe Google has made mention of the reason either. I suppose with Sprint, Verizon and ATT all married to Apple, throwing TMobile a bone isn't all bad.
Wow, those apps are going to look good scales up to that res.
Need to do some measurements, but I bet a 1920x1080p video will be bigger on the iPad screen than the "letter boxed on both sides" version does on the Nexus.
No kidding. The 4S was trashed and mocked for not having LTE, and panned for being 'years behind', a 'joke', etc. Yet more than a year later, Google's flagship Android phone doesnt have it, even when the newest iPhones/iPads do, and everyone is falling over themselves to justify it.
Even if its not the "flagship" device, it's pretty lame to make excuses for or explain away not having LTE.
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It's not an OLED, though. It's a non-PenTile PLS LCD.
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For us philistines, what are the pros and cons?
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It's only being launched on TMobile AFAIK, who doesn't have LTE.
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Interesting - Now Google has a real brand in Nexus, with 3 products spanning different sizes and utility. Particularly interesting that they use LG to make Nexus 4, Asus to make Nexus 7 and Samsung to make Samsung 10. Have they heard of a company called Motorola?
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So the Verge knocked the 4S for not having LTE, yet they devote a whole column to explain why the Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE. And people still claim these tech sites don't have an anti-Apple bias?
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3569688/why-nexus-4-does-not-have-4g-lte
Andy Rubin put it this way: "Tactically, we want to make sure the devices are available for every network on the planet." For now, that means that the Nexus 4 will only be available as an unlocked HSPA+ device.
Excuses. Doesn't this mean it won't work on Verizon? And doesn't he also imply it'll never have LTE?
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
So the Verge knocked the 4S for not having LTE, yet they devote a whole column to explain why the Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE. And people still claim these tech sites don't have an anti-Apple bias?
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3569688/why-nexus-4-does-not-have-4g-lte
No kidding. The 4S was trashed and mocked for not having LTE, and panned for being 'years behind', a 'joke', etc. Yet more than a year later, Google's flagship Android phone doesnt have it, even when the newest iPhones/iPads do, and everyone is falling over themselves to justify it.
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Pros: Great colors and viewing angles. Also, sharpness will be great at 300 ppi.
Cons: Imperfect blacks (compared to OLED).
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Most CEO's get there by using social skills, not by technical prowess. They took a decade to remove John Sculley, and nearly killed Apple in the process...
You only need to look at some of the decisions made at Nokia, RIMM and MIcrosoft over the past decade, to realise the sum is not firing on all cylinders.
#next_pages_container { width: 5px; hight: 5px; position: absolute; top: -100px; left: -100px; z-index: 2147483647 !important; }Actually, Sculley did very well at Apple until the nineties, at which point he was removed quite quickly. His successors were suits with not many other talents, however. MSFT has had its problems under Ballmer, but he has generally done a pretty decent job (Skype is doing very well, Xbox, which looked like a disaster at first, is quite successful, and Kynect is a major UI advance, admittedly, um, inspired by the Wii, Windows 7 is a very solid OS). Nokia has been a victim of its carrier relationships. RIMM? Well, if your major selling point is MS exchange compatibility, one could argue that the chickens would come home to roost eventually.
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So the Verge knocked the 4S for not having LTE, yet they devote a whole column to explain why the Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE. And people still claim these tech sites don't have an anti-Apple bias?
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3569688/why-nexus-4-does-not-have-4g-lte
It isn't bias. The market for this phone is really clear in my mind and I'm getting very worried for Apple with this latest Google response. It's beginning to feel a little like 1995 around here again.
Apple absolutely needs LTE in their flagship phone of which they produce one a year and also it is the phone that justifes fat margins and a minimum price of $650 per phone.
The Nexus line has not been a true flagship line but more like a baseline platform target for where Android should minimally be for the next year.
Apple has had two quarters now where the first hit their targets but did not hit their whisper number and now a quarter where they just outright didn't hit their own targets. It is clear that the slowing of growth with regard to Apple is OUTSIDE of the United States. In the United States, subsidy model helps hide the true cost of buying an iPhone. Outside the U.S. it is a completely different story. This phone is clearly targeted for stunting and stopping the growth of Apple outside the U.S. It is $300-$350 out the door, barely half the price of an iPhone. It has the latest 3G standard but doesn't sweat having a divided 4G standard.
It is clear U.S. carriers are using 4G/LTE to push people into more expensive plans, take away their data options, lock phones to their network again, etc.
The Samsung Galaxy S3 OUTSIDE the U.S. has 3G and a quad-core processor. Within the U.S. it has a dual-core and LTE. Samsung has had no problem selling them worldwide.
Google's eco-system is inferior to Apple's but they are now beating Apple on price, beating them on most specs and it appears their OS is at least on par if perhaps not better depending upon your view.
That doesn't mean Apple dies overnight. It doesn't mean Apple has no momentum to sustain them.
It does mean we should be concerned. Apple has already fired their holiday season shot. This isn't six months later and we all don't mind waiting until close to Christmas knowing that Apple will produce something amazing again.
This....this is six days later.
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Originally Posted by OriginalG
Awesome resolution on the Nexus 10, but I sure hope it's not pentile garbage.
The Nexus 4....no LTE, no removable battery (Android users care), no SD slot (again, comparing against other androids). but $349 unlocked! that is cheap (maybe in other ways too =P). Samsung and other OEMs must be upset at this pricing, then again all Nexus pricing looks to be screwing over their own partners at the cost of fighting Apple.
Prices and specs are great but I am not sure how google can convinced those partners to dump hardware with no margins like that. Not to mention if I was Samsung I would not be too happy about the LG phone at this price.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
To be fair, he did put it in quotes. But that completely invalidates his entire argument in the first place, so he was probably still intending it to mean "5th" without quotes. In which case, yeah, I'll tear into him.
NOPE. Third redesign.
A good chuckle on a lousy rainy Monday morning
(Hey and I just realized we finally have more emoticons than the laughing one. Good job AI, welcome to 2001)
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
No kidding. The 4S was trashed and mocked for not having LTE, and panned for being 'years behind', a 'joke', etc. Yet more than a year later, Google's flagship Android phone doesnt have it, even when the newest iPhones/iPads do, and everyone is falling over themselves to justify it.
The Nexus devices aren't meant as "flagship" models. They've been used as proof-of-concept models used to preview and launch new OS versions. "Flagship" models have been left to the Android licensees themselves to develop.
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Originally Posted by trumptman
It isn't bias. The market for this phone is really clear in my mind and I'm getting very worried for Apple with this latest Google response. It's beginning to feel a little like 1995 around here again.
Apple absolutely needs LTE in their flagship phone of which they produce one a year and also it is the phone that justifes fat margins and a minimum price of $650 per phone.
The Nexus line has not been a true flagship line but more like a baseline platform target for where Android should minimally be for the next year.
Apple has had two quarters now where the first hit their targets but did not hit their whisper number and now a quarter where they just outright didn't hit their own targets. It is clear that the slowing of growth with regard to Apple is OUTSIDE of the United States. In the United States, subsidy model helps hide the true cost of buying an iPhone. Outside the U.S. it is a completely different story. This phone is clearly targeted for stunting and stopping the growth of Apple outside the U.S. It is $300-$350 out the door, barely half the price of an iPhone. It has the latest 3G standard but doesn't sweat having a divided 4G standard.
It is clear U.S. carriers are using 4G/LTE to push people into more expensive plans, take away their data options, lock phones to their network again, etc.
The Samsung Galaxy S3 OUTSIDE the U.S. has 3G and a quad-core processor. Within the U.S. it has a dual-core and LTE. Samsung has had no problem selling them worldwide.
Google's eco-system is inferior to Apple's but they are now beating Apple on price, beating them on most specs and it appears their OS is at least on par if perhaps not better depending upon your view.
That doesn't mean Apple dies overnight. It doesn't mean Apple has no momentum to sustain them.
It does mean we should be concerned. Apple has already fired their holiday season shot. This isn't six months later and we all don't mind waiting until close to Christmas knowing that Apple will produce something amazing again.
This....this is six days later.
Apple didnt miss any of there guidance, but the beats are slowing down indeed.
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2011 Q3 (Ending 6/31/11) Guidance = $5.07; Actual = $7.79; (Beat = 53.6%)
2011 Q4 (Ending 9/24/11) Guidance = $5.50; Actual = $7.05 (Beat = 28.2%)
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I think the ipad 4 update was to counter that nexus 10 tablet. Apple is on the defensive in the tablet space. But the price are very agressive, not easy for Apple to counter this without hurting there margins. I still think Apple ecosystem, build quality and design are better and it may keep strong sales going on. They are after all, selling every phone and tablet they can make.
Apple is going to see operating margins improvement in Q2, it may pass that to the consumer by lowering there price. I dont think they will have a choice actually.
It also seems like Google is returning fire on the Windows RT platform with the addition of multiple user profiles on the tablets. But I gotta say a "guest" profile on my smartphone would be sweet, that way I could let someone bum my phone for web searching while keeping my data away from their fat, regularly-accidentally-hits-the-delete-option fingers. (Hey Apple, that's a hint-hint for you too.)
And so, the tablet wars begin....
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Originally Posted by snova
Anyone know why the 9.7" model is called a Nexus 10, yet the 4.7" model is called a Nexus 4? Shouldn't one reason that the 4.7" model be called a Nexus 5 or the 9.7" model be called a Nexus 9?
Same reason the 6th iphone is called iphone5, and the 9th windows was called windows7
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Originally Posted by snova
nice going staying on topic. Its like catching snakes swimming in lube.
The point I was making is the Nexus 4 is not limited to using just 'proprietary' wireless charging, but can also use the industry standard mico-USB. Cables for which are available for a lot less than $19. Apologies for any confusion caused.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
Why only T-Mobile?
I don't know, and I don't believe Google has made mention of the reason either. I suppose with Sprint, Verizon and ATT all married to Apple, throwing TMobile a bone isn't all bad.
Why do these companies quote standby time? Has any actual user ever let their phone sit, untouched, for 500 hours?
Need to do some measurements, but I bet a 1920x1080p video will be bigger on the iPad screen than the "letter boxed on both sides" version does on the Nexus.