It's best to let go of the whole MS tile interface idea. Metro is junk. It really does look like the interface was inspired by MS' worry about violating existing patents. Their entire mobile platform is in the toilet.
iOS rates highest in customer satisfaction. All the devices it runs on have ruled customer satisfaction since their inception. ALL OF THEM. Not some, but ALL.
iOS is the most viable mobile OS out there. It provides the best user experience. That's not opinion. It's fact.
All these comment prove is you can never satisfy everyone. Keep it as is some hate it, make changes some hate it. I personally don't care for the felt and others, but I do like the paper cutter effect in passbook I think it's cute, clever and a small but nice touch.
Jobs was a minimalist for the most part and I like Ive and have faith in him, look forward to see what he does.
If Apple makes the UI and the shape of app icons look flat and generic, Apple will lose big chunk of fanbase, including myself. Don't even think of getting rid of bookshelf in the iBooks app and paper shredder in the Passbook app, if you do, I am switching to Win 8. I promise.
Ah, ok. I read it as SJ because everything you said could have applied to him. Remember that he was the obsessed guy. He was the one who spent a weekend moving a few pixels around on the icon shadows until he got it the way he wanted it. There was no way that SF made these decisions without SJ approving them.
I believe Jobs was less and less involved in the graphic design decisions the last few years. The reason I say this is because if you look at his design aesthetic from the early days of the Macintosh, it was much more understated, and much more elegant. I feel that especially with iTunes 10, QuickTime X, and others, they really got away from good design principles, in both usability and attractiveness.
My feeling is that as time went along (maybe as Jobs got sicker), he was so into making the big things (iPhone, iPad, TV, etc), which were incredibly large undertakings, that he didn't oversee the little design elements of iTunes, QuickTime X, etc. so much, and let the engineers (Forstall) make those decisions. Just my opinion, but there was a marked movement away from good, clean design. (And I don't consider Aqua to be that bad - sort of an experiment that they toned down little by little).
There's also been a move away from usability, like hiding scroll bars (and making them too narrow), putting in "pretty" elements that require more clicking to use, etc. I'm guessing Jobs wasn't spending very much time examining the software design details and using the software. Again, just my opinion.
The worst thing is the unfinished products Apple has released, going back to the new iMovie and continuing through QuickTime X, Final Cut X, Siri, maps, etc.
If Apple makes the UI and the shape of app icons look flat and generic, Apple will lose big chunk of fanbase, including myself. Don't even think of getting rid of bookshelf in the iBooks app and paper shredder in the Passbook app, if you do, I am switching to Win 8. I promise.
Sounds like the HI team at Apple consists of about 20 people, is located in th same building as ID and like ID is off limits to most Apple employees. A couple interesting tidbits:
[quote]Supporters admire Forstall’s ability to manage massive technical complexity while pushing his team to innovate. Critics said he was overly concerned with empire building and pushing through favored features while blocking other teams’ ideas. British-born Ive is known for his deliberate, careful choice of words, and for crediting members of his team while minimizing his own role in development of products.[/quote]
[quote]Forstall’s team was particularly insular, and aggressive about pursuing its own goals, said Halle, who ran the team that built much of the common operating software inside Macs and the mobile devices. He said that Forstall often was uninterested in making improvements that would benefit other group’s products.
“Scott wasn’t supportive of melding” the Mac operating system with the mobile operating system initially, Halle said. “He just didn’t care.”[/quote]
[quote]Forstall had inspired intense loyalty among many of the critical engineers who churn out the iOS iPhone and iPad software upgrades each year. His staff was blindsided by the firing, and even his assistant was caught by surprise, people with knowledge of the matter said.[/quote]
Sounds like the HI team at Apple consists of about 20 people, is located in th same building as ID and like ID is off limits to most Apple employees. A couple interesting tidbits:
A very interesting article indeed. Regarding the last quote, hopefully those iOS engineers intensely loyal to Forstall don't just up and leave. The mobile space is hyper-competitive and Apple needs all the top talent it can get and keep.
A very interesting article indeed. Regarding the last quote, hopefully those iOS engineers intensely loyal to Forstall don't just up and leave. The mobile space is hyper-competitive and Apple needs all the top talent it can get and keep.
I'm curious about these guys who shared most of the patents with Forstall. I hope they don't decide to jump ship. Though I'm assuming they'll be working under Federighi and not Ive?
I'm curious about these guys who shared most of the patents with Forstall. I hope they don't decide to jump ship. Though I'm assuming they'll be working under Federighi and not Ive?
Assuming they're still at Apple & they are on the iOS engineering team, then they would work under Federighi, who also was hired by Jobs to work at NeXT.
Somewhere, there is a video interview of Ive in which he describes how the iPhone should be all about the screen and how he wants to get rid of everything else. I believe he (and Jobs) has the same vision about the iMac. The iMac was destined to look like this latest version, from day one.
It's been fairly obvious that this is where Jobs and Ive have been pushing Apple's products for years. That and the elimination of buttons, ports and cables. Just look at the evolution of the iMac.
This direction makes me wonder whether Ive got to a point where he started to realize that his role in designing the physical devices was going to start becoming less and less useful and important. I mean it's getting to the point where there's nothing more to design there and, in fact, what's on the screen is the next frontier so he started to pine for more influence over that aspect.
It's been fairly obvious that this is where Jobs and Ive have been pushing Apple's products for years. That and the elimination of buttons, ports and cables. Just look at the evolution of the iMac.
This direction makes me wonder whether Ive got to a point where he started to realize that his role in designing the physical devices was going to start becoming less and less useful and important. I mean it's getting to the point where there's nothing more to design there and, in fact, what's on the screen is the next frontier so he started to pine for more influence over that aspect.
It's thin because optical drives are dead and people want thinner, lighter hardware, even when it comes to desktop computers. The new iMac is cool. And cool is nice to look at, and nice to own and buy. How much RAM do you need? All computers are going this way, the iPad is setting the trend. Installing hardware yourself will be a thing of the past in all computers within 10 years.
People either understand and value quality, beauty and coolness or they don't. It's almost impossible to explain to theaveragejoe why you purchased a Lexus or Rolex when they counter that their $2 digital watch keeps time just as good and their Ford Festiva gets them from point A to point B just as easily.
Why are iMacs and iPads so thin and yet remain on continuous diets? If you're perplexed by this, the answer is only going to make it worse.
Hot tip: max out the ram when you buy your iMac and stop bemoaning progress.
Have you ever done any work in publishing? That was a large part of my business. In publishing, we know that space, and the proper use of it is just as important than the words on the page. It can be even more important. The object isn't to get as much on the page. It's to make that information easier to digest, and more comfortable to access.
You're not supposed to use as many pixels as you can for information. Whether you like so e of the designs is personal to you, but you're concept is wrong.
Curious... Why do so many books align the text so it nearly disappears into the crack? We are left bending the book and squashing it flat until we finally break the all-to-flimsy spine.
When I'm king, the text will be rescued from the crack.
It's been fairly obvious that this is where Jobs and Ive have been pushing Apple's products for years. That and the elimination of buttons, ports and cables. Just look at the evolution of the iMac.
This direction makes me wonder whether Ive got to a point where he started to realize that his role in designing the physical devices was going to start becoming less and less useful and important. I mean it's getting to the point where there's nothing more to design there and, in fact, what's on the screen is the next frontier so he started to pine for more influence over that aspect.
Until he makes an iMac that disappears when you look at it sideways, he'll keep trying.
People either understand and value quality, beauty and coolness or they don't. It's almost impossible to explain to theaveragejoe why you purchased a Lexus or Rolex when they counter that their $2 digital watch keeps time just as good and their Ford Festiva gets them from point A to point B just as easily.
Why are iMacs and iPads so thin and yet remain on continuous diets? If you're perplexed by this, the answer is only going to make it worse.
Hot tip: max out the ram when you buy your iMac and stop bemoaning progress.
That thinking falls flat when you need the physical tools to do your professional work. You're starting to have to choose between quality, coolness and beauty on the one hand, and your professional life on the other. You used to get both in the same computer.
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No, it is just an opinion. Now that is fact.
Jobs was a minimalist for the most part and I like Ive and have faith in him, look forward to see what he does.
I bet Ricardo Montalban likes the Corinthian leather on the calendar.
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Originally Posted by 69ergoo
If Apple makes the UI and the shape of app icons look flat and generic, Apple will lose big chunk of fanbase, including myself. Don't even think of getting rid of bookshelf in the iBooks app and paper shredder in the Passbook app, if you do, I am switching to Win 8. I promise.
That's hilarious.
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Originally Posted by melgross
Ah, ok. I read it as SJ because everything you said could have applied to him. Remember that he was the obsessed guy. He was the one who spent a weekend moving a few pixels around on the icon shadows until he got it the way he wanted it. There was no way that SF made these decisions without SJ approving them.
I believe Jobs was less and less involved in the graphic design decisions the last few years. The reason I say this is because if you look at his design aesthetic from the early days of the Macintosh, it was much more understated, and much more elegant. I feel that especially with iTunes 10, QuickTime X, and others, they really got away from good design principles, in both usability and attractiveness.
My feeling is that as time went along (maybe as Jobs got sicker), he was so into making the big things (iPhone, iPad, TV, etc), which were incredibly large undertakings, that he didn't oversee the little design elements of iTunes, QuickTime X, etc. so much, and let the engineers (Forstall) make those decisions. Just my opinion, but there was a marked movement away from good, clean design. (And I don't consider Aqua to be that bad - sort of an experiment that they toned down little by little).
There's also been a move away from usability, like hiding scroll bars (and making them too narrow), putting in "pretty" elements that require more clicking to use, etc. I'm guessing Jobs wasn't spending very much time examining the software design details and using the software. Again, just my opinion.
The worst thing is the unfinished products Apple has released, going back to the new iMovie and continuing through QuickTime X, Final Cut X, Siri, maps, etc.
Maybe, but they use windows where he is...
Jony might double dog dare ya.
Sounds like the HI team at Apple consists of about 20 people, is located in th same building as ID and like ID is off limits to most Apple employees. A couple interesting tidbits:
[quote]Supporters admire Forstall’s ability to manage massive technical complexity while pushing his team to innovate. Critics said he was overly concerned with empire building and pushing through favored features while blocking other teams’ ideas. British-born Ive is known for his deliberate, careful choice of words, and for crediting members of his team while minimizing his own role in development of products.[/quote]
[quote]Forstall’s team was particularly insular, and aggressive about pursuing its own goals, said Halle, who ran the team that built much of the common operating software inside Macs and the mobile devices. He said that Forstall often was uninterested in making improvements that would benefit other group’s products.
“Scott wasn’t supportive of melding” the Mac operating system with the mobile operating system initially, Halle said. “He just didn’t care.”[/quote]
[quote]Forstall had inspired intense loyalty among many of the critical engineers who churn out the iOS iPhone and iPad software upgrades each year. His staff was blindsided by the firing, and even his assistant was caught by surprise, people with knowledge of the matter said.[/quote]
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
More inside info from businessweek. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-01/apple-s-minimalist-ive-assumes-jobs-s-role-setting-design-vision
Sounds like the HI team at Apple consists of about 20 people, is located in th same building as ID and like ID is off limits to most Apple employees. A couple interesting tidbits:
A very interesting article indeed. Regarding the last quote, hopefully those iOS engineers intensely loyal to Forstall don't just up and leave. The mobile space is hyper-competitive and Apple needs all the top talent it can get and keep.
I'm curious about these guys who shared most of the patents with Forstall. I hope they don't decide to jump ship. Though I'm assuming they'll be working under Federighi and not Ive?
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
I'm curious about these guys who shared most of the patents with Forstall. I hope they don't decide to jump ship. Though I'm assuming they'll be working under Federighi and not Ive?
Assuming they're still at Apple & they are on the iOS engineering team, then they would work under Federighi, who also was hired by Jobs to work at NeXT.
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Originally Posted by ankleskater
Somewhere, there is a video interview of Ive in which he describes how the iPhone should be all about the screen and how he wants to get rid of everything else. I believe he (and Jobs) has the same vision about the iMac. The iMac was destined to look like this latest version, from day one.
It's been fairly obvious that this is where Jobs and Ive have been pushing Apple's products for years. That and the elimination of buttons, ports and cables. Just look at the evolution of the iMac.
This direction makes me wonder whether Ive got to a point where he started to realize that his role in designing the physical devices was going to start becoming less and less useful and important. I mean it's getting to the point where there's nothing more to design there and, in fact, what's on the screen is the next frontier so he started to pine for more influence over that aspect.
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Originally Posted by MJ1970
It's been fairly obvious that this is where Jobs and Ive have been pushing Apple's products for years. That and the elimination of buttons, ports and cables. Just look at the evolution of the iMac.
This direction makes me wonder whether Ive got to a point where he started to realize that his role in designing the physical devices was going to start becoming less and less useful and important. I mean it's getting to the point where there's nothing more to design there and, in fact, what's on the screen is the next frontier so he started to pine for more influence over that aspect.
All very good points.
People either understand and value quality, beauty and coolness or they don't. It's almost impossible to explain to theaveragejoe why you purchased a Lexus or Rolex when they counter that their $2 digital watch keeps time just as good and their Ford Festiva gets them from point A to point B just as easily.
Why are iMacs and iPads so thin and yet remain on continuous diets? If you're perplexed by this, the answer is only going to make it worse.
Hot tip: max out the ram when you buy your iMac and stop bemoaning progress.
Curious... Why do so many books align the text so it nearly disappears into the crack? We are left bending the book and squashing it flat until we finally break the all-to-flimsy spine.
When I'm king, the text will be rescued from the crack.
Trying to remember the reference. Kesey? Now there was a right-brain guy.
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Originally Posted by MJ1970
It's been fairly obvious that this is where Jobs and Ive have been pushing Apple's products for years. That and the elimination of buttons, ports and cables. Just look at the evolution of the iMac.
This direction makes me wonder whether Ive got to a point where he started to realize that his role in designing the physical devices was going to start becoming less and less useful and important. I mean it's getting to the point where there's nothing more to design there and, in fact, what's on the screen is the next frontier so he started to pine for more influence over that aspect.
Until he makes an iMac that disappears when you look at it sideways, he'll keep trying.
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Originally Posted by bugsnw
People either understand and value quality, beauty and coolness or they don't. It's almost impossible to explain to theaveragejoe why you purchased a Lexus or Rolex when they counter that their $2 digital watch keeps time just as good and their Ford Festiva gets them from point A to point B just as easily.
Why are iMacs and iPads so thin and yet remain on continuous diets? If you're perplexed by this, the answer is only going to make it worse.
Hot tip: max out the ram when you buy your iMac and stop bemoaning progress.
That thinking falls flat when you need the physical tools to do your professional work. You're starting to have to choose between quality, coolness and beauty on the one hand, and your professional life on the other. You used to get both in the same computer.
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
Trying to remember the reference. Kesey? Now there was a right-brain guy.
Boy, nothing like a high-powered intellectual discussion with a well-edumacated feller such as yourself....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulliver's_travels#Cultural_influences
I could have looked it up, now couldn't I have, but that would be cheating.