Microsoft Surface Pro to start at $899 for 64GB model

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  • Reply 61 of 147

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    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    Microsoft Tax!!! This thing is expensive and Windows 8 sucks. If you have to spend $1000 and learn new OS people are going to buy MBA instead of this thing.


     


    PS. I am surprised no one said "Why this is news on Apple news site?!"



    Yes. Good question. Who gives a F** ?

  • Reply 62 of 147
    tjwaltjwal Posts: 404member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post


    No memory limitation with iCloud standing by... Also, everything in iOS is much less memory intensive as Winders... 



     



     


    Maybe someday but in a corporate world with IT lockdown the iCloud may as well not exist.

  • Reply 63 of 147
    Thanks. I'd rather buy a Macbook AIR
  • Reply 64 of 147
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    1) I wonder how much usable storage you get with that if an Intel version of WIn 8 is installed?

    On a brand new desktop with fresh installed Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit, Office Pro Plus 2010 fully patched and upgraded to Office Pro Plus 2013, you lose about 20GB on Windows (17GB), Program Files and Program Files (86) folders (3GB total).

    MS did promise improved updates, but at this stage, we can only guess how will they grow Windows folder size.
    2) I'm sure there are some use cases that can made for this product but I think most would fair better with a proper laptop for enterprise work.

    Agree. But then, tablets are cool, right? And to be honest, they are handier than laptops for some things, especially on the move. Reading contract, rehearsing presentation, checking (but not replying) to emails, video conferencing... in car, bus, train... is more comfy on tablet. One reason or another, some people simply must have them. For some of them, this (and all the other Pro tablets) might be a good compromise. It is still within acceptable tablet size, but functionality from business perspective is well above any other tablet on the market.

    We'll see.
  • Reply 65 of 147
    mjtomlin wrote: »
    And that will be its failing.

    Anyone who thinks tablets are popular because of the form factor are kidding themselves. The iPad became popular because of its ease of use and stability.

    When I preordered the iPad 1 the first day it was available, I thought the iPad finally realized the promise of portable computing that laptops and netbooks failed at (this was before the MacBook Air). My iPad mini with its lightness, thinness, and keyboard-lessness (haha) takes this even farther, and with the bigger display, it's a different and sometimes better computing experience than my iPhone.
  • Reply 67 of 147



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    Wow what a bunch of hateful people!


    I have been using both Apple, MS, Linux on a combo of different hardware platforms over the years and all have a purpose.


    I have a 2011 MacBook Pro 15 maxed out with 480GB SSD, 16 GB ram Thunderbolt monitor running OS X 10.8.3 office 2011 for mac


    2010 MacBook Pro 13 240gb SSD 6GB ram running OS X 10.8.3 office 2011 for mac


    iPhone 5 64gb


    iPhone 4s 32gb


    iPad2 32gb


    iPad3 32gb


    2010 MacMini Server


    Dell Servers running VMware 5 with multiple server os's


    Dell XPS 8500 maxed out running Windows 8 pro 64bit, office 2013 pro


    Alienware m11x3 maxed out running Windows 8 pro 64bit, office 2013 pro


    Alienware m14x2 maxed out running Windows 8 pro 64bit, office 2013 pro


    Acer W700-6691 Tablet PC i5-3317u CPU 4gb memory running Windows 8 pro 64bit, office 2013 pro, came with BT keyboard, Docking station $699. with Black Friday discount from Newegg.com pretty much the exact same hardware as the new MS Surface Pro and Windows 8 has sold more OS's in a month than OS X in 4 months.


    The Acer feels as fast and can do way more than my iPad's can ever think of include manage Enterprise servers and workstations.


     


    All have good and bad points but cant say that any one of them is the end all.


    the Fan Boys on both side are really sad and need to wake up.


    My MacBook Pro's can barely play current games anymore...


    the Acer can almost out perform the MacBook Pro's in WoW, GuildWars and many other games for 1/3 of the total price.


     


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  • Reply 68 of 147
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,454member
    I don't understand ...

    Where does the keyboard go when using it as a tablet? Does it wrap around the back like an iPad Smart Cover? But then how do you keep from pressing keys when you hold it? Or, do you have to remove it? Or does it reverse (though it still seems like the keys would be pressed through the back of the keyboard)?

    Either way, this does not seem like a reasonable solution.

    And how do you use the desktop OS and legacy apps when holding it as a tablet, if the keyboard is wrapped around the back, or removed completely?

    There's also the problem of holding it in hand as a tablet if its designed to operate in landscape mode considering it weighs as much as a MacBook Air. Just try holding one of those by the side and supporting it that way for any length of time with one hand.

    Supporting a laptop like the MBA in one hand from the bottom is certainly much easier. The touchscreen ultrabooks really have something to offer,as I would love the option to touch my Mac's screen sometimes, but this thing ... I just don't see it.

    People WILL compare this to the iPad, and the fact it doesn't auto-switch orientation is going to sour people on this before they've even had a chance to explore it very far.
  • Reply 69 of 147
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    My god the people who work at MS are idiots. Why in the world would they compare the battery life of the Pro to the RT? If they has said it gets the same battery life as Ultrabooks it would have sounded so much better than saying it gets half the battery life of RT. :no:
  • Reply 70 of 147


    For an iPad or iPhone, going from 16 --> 32 --> 64 GB is $100. So in the second case, the upgrade is from 32 --> 64, the $100 are buying you 32 GB of extra storage.


     


    For a Mac Book Air (MBA), the jump from 64 --> 64 GB is $100


     


    Microsoft is advertising a jump from 64 -->128 GB for $100, similar to the MBA.

  • Reply 71 of 147
    I really like the Surface RT, but it shows Microsoft's knack for getting 90% of the way there and then losing their way.

    I never thought that another tablet could make the iPad feel cheap, but Surface manages to do just that. The build quality on the thing is fantastic. The flip out stand works really well too - it could do with a few more levels, but for what it does it does it really really well. Overall, incredibly high quality hardware.

    The touch cover is amazing too - I figured that it was only a matter of time before Apple went that direction, so good for Microsoft being first to that.

    Then... they put a 1366x768 display on the thing. The display itself is nice - bright, good colors, responsive - but text just looks awful on it, especially after coming from the Retina iPad. Metro is really slick too - quite responsible - and make fun of me, but I thought that Windows 7 was a pretty solid operating system too. So what does Microsoft do? Takes 80% of Windows 7 UI, 80% of a fully functioning Metro UI, and smashes them together. It's terrible - you're constantly switching between two UI modes, one of which is designed around touch, one of which isn't. Even Office isn't Metro, which I think is unacceptable.

    The Surface Pro seems to get a bit more of this right. It's a 1080p display, and a real processor in a tablet, which is pretty cool. But no Touch Cover included with the price, which I think really misses the mark, since that's one of the best things about the Surface RT. Instead, there's a pen - what the heck?!

    If the 128GB Surface Pro came with Office, and the Touch Cover (and what the heck, I want the pen too!) for $999, I think they'd have a real chance at carving out Microsoft a nice niche in the tablet market. As it stands, I'll wait for V2, if it ever comes.
  • Reply 72 of 147
    freerangefreerange Posts: 1,595member
    ericblr wrote: »
    I actually like windows 8. I don't say nice things about Windows very often, but I actually like what Microsoft has been doing lately.

    This from someone still using a G4? You are in a distinct minority.
  • Reply 73 of 147
    freerangefreerange Posts: 1,595member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    But that's just it, I think most people will be served better by two devices that are designed to excel with a UI and HW for the intended I/O. This is just not it. It's like only having a Swiss Army Knife for being a lumberjack and a handyman. Sure, the SAK has a saw and screwdriver and I guess you can use it to bash in nails but it's not exactly a great tool for any specific occupation. Unfortunately what has MS been telling us is that Surface is the ideal tool for notebook and tablet users... but it's not. It's only great for very specific use cases and because of that it won't ever sell a lot of units.


     


    "only great for very specific cases" - I can't think of a one! If someone is going to say "it will run Office", that is not a factor to consider. The reviews for office, especially excel have been horrible married to this interface. Further, Office will soon be available for the iPad, and is already available for the MB Air. In addition, their are other alternatives currently for accessing and modifying MSFT docs and spreadsheets on the iPad. This thing is a total dog! They fired the head if this whole fiasco right after he launched it for good reason. The question is, how the hell did they let it happen? This company is totally pathetic, bloated and mismanaged from the top down.

  • Reply 74 of 147
    freerangefreerange Posts: 1,595member

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    Originally Posted by PalmerWi View Post



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    Wow what a bunch of hateful people!


    I have been using both Apple, MS, Linux on a combo of different hardware platforms over the years and all have a purpose.


    I have a 2011 MacBook Pro 15 maxed out with 480GB SSD, 16 GB ram Thunderbolt monitor running OS X 10.8.3 office 2011 for mac


    2010 MacBook Pro 13 240gb SSD 6GB ram running OS X 10.8.3 office 2011 for mac


    iPhone 5 64gb


    iPhone 4s 32gb


    iPad2 32gb


    iPad3 32gb


    2010 MacMini Server


    Dell Servers running VMware 5 with multiple server os's


    Dell XPS 8500 maxed out running Windows 8 pro 64bit, office 2013 pro


    Alienware m11x3 maxed out running Windows 8 pro 64bit, office 2013 pro


    Alienware m14x2 maxed out running Windows 8 pro 64bit, office 2013 pro


    Acer W700-6691 Tablet PC i5-3317u CPU 4gb memory running Windows 8 pro 64bit, office 2013 pro, came with BT keyboard, Docking station $699. with Black Friday discount from Newegg.com pretty much the exact same hardware as the new MS Surface Pro and Windows 8 has sold more OS's in a month than OS X in 4 months.


    The Acer feels as fast and can do way more than my iPad's can ever think of include manage Enterprise servers and workstations.


     


    All have good and bad points but cant say that any one of them is the end all.


    the Fan Boys on both side are really sad and need to wake up.


    My MacBook Pro's can barely play current games anymore...


    the Acer can almost out perform the MacBook Pro's in WoW, GuildWars and many other games for 1/3 of the total price.


     


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    Wow - and so you are an average consumer????? I think not. Your geekness is shining through. Most consumers want usability, stability, ease-of-use, reliability.... And Apple delivers those things in spades. Just look at the stats for web use of smartphones and tablets. Apple blows the others out of the water because people actually use them for the things they need, like surfing the net. Not quite sure what others are doing with their non-Apple mobile devices... other than talking about how much cheaper they are and how they are just like an iphone etc., but the evidence says something totally different.

  • Reply 75 of 147

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    Originally Posted by tjwal View Post



    If Microsoft can add another 64 Gb by $100 why does Apple charge that much for an extra 16 Gb.


    Several people on this comment thread have responded to this, but I'm dumbfounded as to why everyone seems to miss the obvious. The fact is, Apple DOES charge $100 for doubling storage. $100 to go from 16GB to 32GB. $100 to go from 32GB to 64GB.


     


    If Apple offered a 128GB iPad, it would be exactly $100 more than the 64GB model. Microsoft following Apple's lead once again. Some things never change.

  • Reply 76 of 147

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    Originally Posted by GadgetCanada View Post



    14mm thick? How heavy is this thing? Why not get a Macbook Air with a real keyboard and you can have OSX and Windows 8. And for $1000 it doesn't even come close to the iPad's display. Sur-facepalm is DOA. The fringe element will laud it from their mom's basements though and wonder why nobody is buying it.


    I loved my Mom....the only women I ever trusted! I should never have moved out! :)

  • Reply 77 of 147
    And isn't it another $150 or more for the keyboard?
  • Reply 78 of 147

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    Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post


     


    If your son wanted an eReader, then why would even consider a tablet? The Kindle is $79.


     


    How exactly is a 16GB iPad useless?



     


    The 16GB iPad is simply not ANDROID ENOUGH for them.

  • Reply 79 of 147
    timbittimbit Posts: 331member
    I like ms, but windows 8 blows. Worst decision ever. I'll keep win 7 as long as possible then switch to osx because I refuse to use 8
  • Reply 80 of 147
    igrivigriv Posts: 1,177member

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    Originally Posted by hittrj01 View Post


    And let's not forget, unless I'm mistaken, this version will NOT come with MS Office pre-installed.



     

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    What machine does? (I know you mean Surface RT, but that's a rather crippled Office...)


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