After doing some more checking, it has become apparent that Bendigo in Victoria, Australia is also in the middle of nowhere. In the middle of Wellsford Forrest to be exact. **** me, this is just bewildering.
It wasn't great. No TBT. No vector graphics. Forced to allow customer data to feed back into the Google data mines like that scene in Temple of Doom where all the kids are working in that underground cavern.
It was a tough spot for Apple and another would have been better, but they didn't have another year. They made the best choice from a bad situation, but fear not because it's a temporary situation, just as Google Maps was worse than Map Quest at the start.
The only thing to fault Apple for is over promising and under delivering instead of acknowledging up front that there will be some growing pains but that Apple Maps will be the best maps in the world in a lot less time than it took Google to get its maps straightened out.
Yes, there's lots of evidence of that thus making it factual, ranging from missing features to missing or inaccurate data that Google Maps gets right to the less forgiving search functionality. While Apple Maps may have things that Google Maps lacks, that doesn't make it as good as Google Maps. As long as Google Maps is better than Apple Maps at something, Apple Maps won't be a suitable replacement for it.
Oh, can you link to some of that evidence? And by evidence, I mean object comparisons, not anecdotal, incidental stories. Because, so far, no one has been able to provide a link to this evidence. I knew you'd know where we could find the evidence.
As of this minute, the problem still hasn't been rectified. Why not? Don't they read the news? The police did take the unprecedented action to contact Apple. How hard is it to move a friggen pin on a map? Apple obviously don't give a shit that glaring issues like this don't warrant immediate action. The error is an embarrassment, the lack of action is pathetic. It seems its more important making the 3D pictures look "purdy", instead of getting the data correct. Yes, the users should have checked before going off the highway, but the error should never had existed in the first place. Mildura has been in the same place for over 100 years, but Apple know better? You can't excuse this, it's plain and simple. My daughter last week was misdirected by Apple maps while driving through a major Australian city. She didn't know where she was and ended up lost. It's obvious you can't reply on Apple to do something others have been doing for a decade now. Until it happens to you, you shouldn't judge others just to protect Apples poor work. It isn't a small thing.
It's not the map data -- it's Apple's search algorithm.
Search for Mildura airport and it'll take you right there!
However, If I were Apple, I would modify the search to allow it to search for "known issues" first to allow for quick fixes such as this. (call it a "known Issues" smart folder)
After doing some more checking, it has become apparent that Bendigo in Victoria, Australia is also in the middle of nowhere. In the middle of Wellsford Forrest to be exact. **** me, this is just bewildering.
Probably for exactly the same reason as mentioned previously regarding Mildura. Bendigo is also an administrative region as listed in the state government GIS, and the database is returning the region rather than the city.
No, I wouldn't be implying that at all. In fact, I explicitly stated they should have gotten their facts straight and made a statement based on the facts rather than issuing a statement with misleading implications.
People are getting lost in a dangerous part of Australia: Fact
The people the police rescued were using Apple Maps: Fact (until someone proves to me otherwise)
The users of Apple Maps were unfamiliar with the area: Fact
Apple Maps shows Mildura as in the middle of a national park of Australia: Fact
The users were thinking they were making a simple highway drive and thus didn't see a reason to need to pack survival gear: Fact
Apple Maps led these particular people way off course into a dangerous situation they were not prepared for: Fact
It seems to me that the police got their facts straight.
If anything, your request is actually what would put more people in danger, as you're basically telling us all that Apple Maps is not to blame and there's nothing wrong with it in Australia.
I've noticed since Maps launched putting virtually any non major NSW city into search and the pin is either miles away (say Parkes, NSW) or on the towns edge (say Orange, NSW), and Tom Tom Australia have done nothing to fix. Strange thing is put a specific street address in one of those towns and it seems to be precise.
A poster on Slashdot suggests that maps is pinning the location to the centre of the LGA, where the LGA and the principal city within it share the same name.
Interesting. I can't think of too many case where in mapping app I would choose a less precise location over a more precise one. Yes, I know some of you can concoct *something*, but typically, I'm looking for a location, not a locality.
Oh, can you link to some of that evidence? And by evidence, I mean object comparisons, not anecdotal, incidental stories. Because, so far, no one has been able to provide a link to this evidence. I knew you'd know where we could find the evidence.
No need for links, Google Street View is available on Google Maps, but Apple Maps doesn't implement anything similar, so Apple Maps can't replace that.
Wait, you're actually using this as your argument?
Well, he figures if he recasts his argument in that vein, he can maintain he's right, based on his premise at least. It's a bit of a joke, sure, but lets play along.
Oh, can you link to some of that evidence? And by evidence, I mean object comparisons, not anecdotal, incidental stories. Because, so far, no one has been able to provide a link to this evidence. I knew you'd know where we could find the evidence.
OK I don't get the comparisons to Google maps from 7 years ago. Fact is Apple waited this long to get into the mapping business and people are going to compare it to other established mapping services. Why exactly does Apple feel it needs to be in the mapping business anyway? Is it just for data mining? Is there no other service besides Google's that they could have used?
To be fair, Google maps didn't have voice command integration 7 years ago, and iOS maps at least has Siri integration. 7 years ago, saying the following phrases to your mapping application would have been futile:
"Where the heck are we, Siri?"
"Siri, this abandoned coal mine doesn't look like a Starbucks to me"
"Will I need 4 wheel drive to get over this crazy looking bridge in 3D view Siri?"
I've noticed since Maps launched putting virtually any non major NSW city into search and the pin is either miles away (say Parkes, NSW) or on the towns edge (say Orange, NSW), and Tom Tom Australia have done nothing to fix. Strange thing is put a specific street address in one of those towns and it seems to be precise.
A poster on Slashdot suggests that maps is pinning the location to the centre of the LGA, where the LGA and the principal city within it share the same name.
Interesting. I can't think of too many case where in mapping app I would choose a less precise location over a more precise one. Yes, I know some of you can concoct *something*, but typically, I'm looking for a location, not a locality.
That has been pointed out several times already in this thread.
People are getting lost in a dangerous part of Australia: Fact
The people the police rescued were using Apple Maps: Fact (until someone proves to me otherwise)
The users of Apple Maps were unfamiliar with the area: Fact
Apple Maps shows Mildura as in the middle of a national park of Australia: Fact
The users were thinking they were making a simple highway drive and thus didn't see a reason to need to pack survival gear: Fact
Apple Maps led these particular people way off course into a dangerous situation they were not prepared for: Fact
It seems to me that the police got their facts straight.
If anything, your request is actually what would put more people in danger, as you're basically telling us all that Apple Maps is not to blame and there's nothing wrong with it in Australia.
Not packing a survival kit in Australia is not smart, I am not saying this caused them to get in danger or is the main reason, but ask any sensible Australian or Kiwi and you should always have your survival kit in your car. Just for that reason, unexpected!
People are getting lost in a dangerous part of Australia: Fact
The people the police rescued were using Apple Maps: Fact (until someone proves to me otherwise)
The users of Apple Maps were unfamiliar with the area: Fact
Apple Maps shows Mildura as in the middle of a national park of Australia: Fact
The users were thinking they were making a simple highway drive and thus didn't see a reason to need to pack survival gear: Fact
Apple Maps led these particular people way off course into a dangerous situation they were not prepared for: Fact
It seems to me that the police got their facts straight.
If anything, your request is actually what would put more people in danger, as you're basically telling us all that Apple Maps is not to blame and there's nothing wrong with it in Australia.
So, all the other mapping software is perfectly safe then? No chance of getting lost in a dangerous area? Glad we sorted that out. As long as people use some other mapping solution, there is absolutely nothing to fear. Thanks.
It wasn't great. No TBT. No vector graphics. Forced to allow customer data to feed back into the Google data mines like that scene in Temple of Doom where all the kids are working in that underground cavern.
It was a tough spot for Apple and another would have been better, but they didn't have another year. They made the best choice from a bad situation, but fear not because it's a temporary situation, just as Google Maps was worse than Map Quest at the start.
The only thing to fault Apple for is over promising and under delivering instead of acknowledging up front that there will be some growing pains but that Apple Maps will be the best maps in the world in a lot less time than it took Google to get its maps straightened out.
And Apple is data mining right now?
Of course Apple is data mining...
It's what they do based on that data!
Google tracks you and sells your data to advertisers.
Apple tracks you, uses your data to improve your UX -- and only provides aggregate data to 3rd-parties.
I suspect that this is the issue that prevented Apple and Google from reaching an agreement to bring all the "new" [Android] map features to iOS6 and iDevices
No need for links, Google Street View is available on Google Maps, but Apple Maps doesn't implement anything similar, so Apple Maps can't replace that.
Oh, I see. You aren't concerned with the overall quality of the mapping data, just a feature checklist. I think you're posting in the wrong thread, that's not what this discussion is about.
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And Apple is data mining right now?
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Originally Posted by Vaelian
Yes, there's lots of evidence of that thus making it factual, ranging from missing features to missing or inaccurate data that Google Maps gets right to the less forgiving search functionality. While Apple Maps may have things that Google Maps lacks, that doesn't make it as good as Google Maps. As long as Google Maps is better than Apple Maps at something, Apple Maps won't be a suitable replacement for it.
Oh, can you link to some of that evidence? And by evidence, I mean object comparisons, not anecdotal, incidental stories. Because, so far, no one has been able to provide a link to this evidence. I knew you'd know where we could find the evidence.
Originally Posted by Vaelian
As long as Google Maps is better than Apple Maps at something, Apple Maps won't be a suitable replacement for it.
Wait, you're actually using this as your argument?
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Originally Posted by Kr00
As of this minute, the problem still hasn't been rectified. Why not? Don't they read the news? The police did take the unprecedented action to contact Apple. How hard is it to move a friggen pin on a map? Apple obviously don't give a shit that glaring issues like this don't warrant immediate action. The error is an embarrassment, the lack of action is pathetic. It seems its more important making the 3D pictures look "purdy", instead of getting the data correct. Yes, the users should have checked before going off the highway, but the error should never had existed in the first place. Mildura has been in the same place for over 100 years, but Apple know better? You can't excuse this, it's plain and simple. My daughter last week was misdirected by Apple maps while driving through a major Australian city. She didn't know where she was and ended up lost. It's obvious you can't reply on Apple to do something others have been doing for a decade now. Until it happens to you, you shouldn't judge others just to protect Apples poor work. It isn't a small thing.
It's not the map data -- it's Apple's search algorithm.
Search for Mildura airport and it'll take you right there!
However, If I were Apple, I would modify the search to allow it to search for "known issues" first to allow for quick fixes such as this. (call it a "known Issues" smart folder)
Apple Maps == OK
Apple Maps Search == Sucks!
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Originally Posted by Kr00
After doing some more checking, it has become apparent that Bendigo in Victoria, Australia is also in the middle of nowhere. In the middle of Wellsford Forrest to be exact. **** me, this is just bewildering.
Probably for exactly the same reason as mentioned previously regarding Mildura. Bendigo is also an administrative region as listed in the state government GIS, and the database is returning the region rather than the city.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
No, I wouldn't be implying that at all. In fact, I explicitly stated they should have gotten their facts straight and made a statement based on the facts rather than issuing a statement with misleading implications.
People are getting lost in a dangerous part of Australia: Fact
The people the police rescued were using Apple Maps: Fact (until someone proves to me otherwise)
The users of Apple Maps were unfamiliar with the area: Fact
Apple Maps shows Mildura as in the middle of a national park of Australia: Fact
The users were thinking they were making a simple highway drive and thus didn't see a reason to need to pack survival gear: Fact
Apple Maps led these particular people way off course into a dangerous situation they were not prepared for: Fact
It seems to me that the police got their facts straight.
If anything, your request is actually what would put more people in danger, as you're basically telling us all that Apple Maps is not to blame and there's nothing wrong with it in Australia.
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Originally Posted by rochford
I've noticed since Maps launched putting virtually any non major NSW city into search and the pin is either miles away (say Parkes, NSW) or on the towns edge (say Orange, NSW), and Tom Tom Australia have done nothing to fix. Strange thing is put a specific street address in one of those towns and it seems to be precise.
A poster on Slashdot suggests that maps is pinning the location to the centre of the LGA, where the LGA and the principal city within it share the same name.
http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3305149&cid=42240717
Interesting. I can't think of too many case where in mapping app I would choose a less precise location over a more precise one. Yes, I know some of you can concoct *something*, but typically, I'm looking for a location, not a locality.
No need for links, Google Street View is available on Google Maps, but Apple Maps doesn't implement anything similar, so Apple Maps can't replace that.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Wait, you're actually using this as your argument?
Well, he figures if he recasts his argument in that vein, he can maintain he's right, based on his premise at least. It's a bit of a joke, sure, but lets play along.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
Oh, can you link to some of that evidence? And by evidence, I mean object comparisons, not anecdotal, incidental stories. Because, so far, no one has been able to provide a link to this evidence. I knew you'd know where we could find the evidence.
http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/
There you go. If you look through them, you'll see some side-by-side comparisons of the same location in Apple Maps and Google Maps.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
OK I don't get the comparisons to Google maps from 7 years ago. Fact is Apple waited this long to get into the mapping business and people are going to compare it to other established mapping services. Why exactly does Apple feel it needs to be in the mapping business anyway? Is it just for data mining? Is there no other service besides Google's that they could have used?
To be fair, Google maps didn't have voice command integration 7 years ago, and iOS maps at least has Siri integration. 7 years ago, saying the following phrases to your mapping application would have been futile:
"Where the heck are we, Siri?"
"Siri, this abandoned coal mine doesn't look like a Starbucks to me"
"Will I need 4 wheel drive to get over this crazy looking bridge in 3D view Siri?"
Quote:
Originally Posted by djsherly
Quote:
Originally Posted by rochford
I've noticed since Maps launched putting virtually any non major NSW city into search and the pin is either miles away (say Parkes, NSW) or on the towns edge (say Orange, NSW), and Tom Tom Australia have done nothing to fix. Strange thing is put a specific street address in one of those towns and it seems to be precise.
A poster on Slashdot suggests that maps is pinning the location to the centre of the LGA, where the LGA and the principal city within it share the same name.
http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3305149&cid=42240717
Interesting. I can't think of too many case where in mapping app I would choose a less precise location over a more precise one. Yes, I know some of you can concoct *something*, but typically, I'm looking for a location, not a locality.
That has been pointed out several times already in this thread.
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Originally Posted by AsianBob
People are getting lost in a dangerous part of Australia: Fact
The people the police rescued were using Apple Maps: Fact (until someone proves to me otherwise)
The users of Apple Maps were unfamiliar with the area: Fact
Apple Maps shows Mildura as in the middle of a national park of Australia: Fact
The users were thinking they were making a simple highway drive and thus didn't see a reason to need to pack survival gear: Fact
Apple Maps led these particular people way off course into a dangerous situation they were not prepared for: Fact
It seems to me that the police got their facts straight.
If anything, your request is actually what would put more people in danger, as you're basically telling us all that Apple Maps is not to blame and there's nothing wrong with it in Australia.
Not packing a survival kit in Australia is not smart, I am not saying this caused them to get in danger or is the main reason, but ask any sensible Australian or Kiwi and you should always have your survival kit in your car. Just for that reason, unexpected!
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianBob
People are getting lost in a dangerous part of Australia: Fact
The people the police rescued were using Apple Maps: Fact (until someone proves to me otherwise)
The users of Apple Maps were unfamiliar with the area: Fact
Apple Maps shows Mildura as in the middle of a national park of Australia: Fact
The users were thinking they were making a simple highway drive and thus didn't see a reason to need to pack survival gear: Fact
Apple Maps led these particular people way off course into a dangerous situation they were not prepared for: Fact
It seems to me that the police got their facts straight.
If anything, your request is actually what would put more people in danger, as you're basically telling us all that Apple Maps is not to blame and there's nothing wrong with it in Australia.
So, all the other mapping software is perfectly safe then? No chance of getting lost in a dangerous area? Glad we sorted that out. As long as people use some other mapping solution, there is absolutely nothing to fear. Thanks.
Originally Posted by AsianBob
http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/
There you go. If you look through them, you'll see some side-by-side comparisons of the same location in Apple Maps and Google Maps.
NO DOUBLE STANDARD HERE!
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Originally Posted by AsianBob
http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/
There you go. If you look through them, you'll see some side-by-side comparisons of the same location in Apple Maps and Google Maps.
As we all know, there's nothing about that site that qualifies it as an objective comparison. Perhaps you didn't understand the question.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
It wasn't great. No TBT. No vector graphics. Forced to allow customer data to feed back into the Google data mines like that scene in Temple of Doom where all the kids are working in that underground cavern.
It was a tough spot for Apple and another would have been better, but they didn't have another year. They made the best choice from a bad situation, but fear not because it's a temporary situation, just as Google Maps was worse than Map Quest at the start.
The only thing to fault Apple for is over promising and under delivering instead of acknowledging up front that there will be some growing pains but that Apple Maps will be the best maps in the world in a lot less time than it took Google to get its maps straightened out.
And Apple is data mining right now?
Of course Apple is data mining...
It's what they do based on that data!
Google tracks you and sells your data to advertisers.
Apple tracks you, uses your data to improve your UX -- and only provides aggregate data to 3rd-parties.
I suspect that this is the issue that prevented Apple and Google from reaching an agreement to bring all the "new" [Android] map features to iOS6 and iDevices
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaelian
No need for links, Google Street View is available on Google Maps, but Apple Maps doesn't implement anything similar, so Apple Maps can't replace that.
Oh, I see. You aren't concerned with the overall quality of the mapping data, just a feature checklist. I think you're posting in the wrong thread, that's not what this discussion is about.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsianBob
http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/
There you go. If you look through them, you'll see some side-by-side comparisons of the same location in Apple Maps and Google Maps.
Are u for real!!!!!
The computer says NO!