You guys give Dgitimes a whole bunch of trash talk here for something that should be rather obvious. New Mac Books generally come out around that time and hopefully intel will have Haswell ready at that time. Now it may be a bit early for formal quotes but it is a given that they are working right now on the 2013 revision. I'm not sure why the thought of new MBPs and AIRs is a surprise here.
As to the machines themselves, Haswell if it lives up to rumors, will be a very nice update for the AIRs, the Mini and even the MBP. If some of the rumors are true the GPUs could be a significant improvement. Of course Intel has to write viable drivers for those chips. In something like the AIR though Haswell could be a very significant upgrade especially if combined with a new display technology.
Don't believe everything you read in the forums. Haswell could be a significant upgrade to the AIRs. It depends upon how the rumors pan out but also on what Apple blesses the AIR with.
That is just the processor, if AIR gets new screen tech power draw could be impacted positively. By the way they don't have to go retina with Sharps IGZO tech, just keeping the same res could save them significant power. Beyond that Sharp isn't the only source of new display technology. Speaking of tech, if Haswell ends up being a modest AIR upgrade maybe Apple will address secondary storage. To put it simply AIR needs more flash storage, lots more at least doubling base flash and making the upgrades a bit cheaper would do wonders for usability.
Beyond all of that the retina MBPs don't do too bad with integrated only acceleration of the display. So given a modest Haswell GPU bump and a smaller screen the results might be acceptable. 3D would still suck but if you are into 3D you won't be doing an intel integrated GPU machine anyways.
In any event there are apparently 3 different Haswell GPUs to choose from and likely different clock rates for each. Don't assume that Apple will build a flunky machine until they do. Be open to a surprise.
What was you doing where the GPU made that much difference? And when? I ask because Apple did correct a few issues with Safari and the OS that supposedly addressed some scrolling and other performance issues.
There is no doubt that Intels drivers suck. People waiting for the HDMI fix will confirm that. However brute force on the Haswell GPUs might make for very interesting rMBP 13" and AIRs. Haswell won't turn the machines into 3D powerhouses but they will offer that little extra that makes a huge difference in the feel of normal operations.
I had the 15" rMBP for a couple weeks to use and configure for my business partner. It is without a doubt the nicest macbook Apple has made. What makes it great is the discreet Nvidia graphics. I turned off the Nvidia GPU from time-to-time just to see the video performance with the native Intel GPU and it is noticeable. The Nvidia GPU has the horsepower to run that display. The Intel graphics feels clunky in comparison.
I had considered upgrading my 2011-MBA to the new 13" rMBP but immediately shelved that thought the moment I realized the 13" model does not have discreet graphics. Intel does a lousy job, and on a pro-model, Apple should have discreet graphics on it. Such a shame it did not, give the price.
So with that, I patiently wait any 13" retina with a serious graphics GPU option. Intel just won't cut it.
This might sound tacky but I want to see white versions of the MacBook Pro to match the white iPad and iPhone.
I want the bezel from a black iPhone on the chassis of a white iPhone, giving me an iPhone that's aluminum coloured on the back and black on the front, to match every single Mac with a screen.
That is just the processor, if AIR gets new screen tech power draw could be impacted positively. By the way they don't have to go retina with Sharps IGZO tech, just keeping the same res could save them significant power. Beyond that Sharp isn't the only source of new display technology. Speaking of tech, if Haswell ends up being a modest AIR upgrade maybe Apple will address secondary storage. To put it simply AIR needs more flash storage, lots more at least doubling base flash and making the upgrades a bit cheaper would do wonders for usability.
So far I haven't seen IGZO actually ship in anything. While the technology sounds promising, we haven't even seen a first generation product at this point. I would wait for that before becoming too excited about it. The really interesting point would be power consumption. Lowering power consumption tends to help with heat, which could help with the really thin displays used aside from its obvious impact on battery life. We have yet to see how they look, although I could see Apple being okay with something slightly regressive in terms of their desired color targets if it delivers strongly enough in other areas.
I'm waiting for the 2nd gen rMBP to come out before I jump in. As it stands, the current model's chips don't seem particularly well optimized for it. So the sooner we see a refresh, the better.
How so? I have the 15in rMBP and it's easily the best machine I've ever owned, flies through everything I throw at it in either OSX or Windows 7 (Boot Camp). Now I wouldn't touch the current 13in with a '10ft pole'. No discrete graphics definitely shows.
I want the ability to queue FCPX renders overnight, without the GPU splitting that task with the sheer effort of filling its enormous screen frame buffer. So I'm giving Intel/AMD enough time to develop something specifically for retina displays, instead of the current chips/drivers hanging on by their horsepower.
For a more economic reason, the 1st gen rMBP is like any other 1st gen Apple product: extra expensive to offset the new R&D (see iPhone, MBA). As reported, the 2nd gen won't have much in the way of external changes, so their prices should drift closer to normal.
For a more economic reason, the 1st gen rMBP is like any other 1st gen Apple product: extra expensive to offset the new R&D (see iPhone, MBA). As reported, the 2nd gen won't have much in the way of external changes, so their prices should drift closer to normal.
Good point. They do that with several products. ACD ($3299...$1899) Aperture ($499...$79) come to mind.
Oh so a redesigned MacBook Pro last year has no design changes. MacBook Air is staying, who ever thought them to change. However I hope the old MacBook Pro is dropped thus bringing more reachable price points for the retina ones (not matching non retina but $100-200 lower than current)
Good point. They do that with several products. ACD ($3299...$1899) Aperture ($499...$79) come to mind.
Shake! $50,000 to $500!
Actually it came down to $999 - you are referencing WO, right? I bought a license for the company I was working for; our developers thought 'it was great!'
Actually it came down to $999 - you are referencing WO, right? I bought a license for the company I was working for; our developers thought 'it was great!'
Ah, we're both partially right. Came down from $9900 to $499.
Existing maintenance program subscribers had the option to license the Shake source code for $50,000 USD.
I'm waiting for the 2nd gen rMBP to come out before I jump in. As it stands, the current model's chips don't seem particularly well optimized for it. So the sooner we see a refresh, the better.
Yes. Haswell will release at June 2013.(Intel just postpone from April 2013 release.)
I think Apple will change LCD housing for Air & Pro for thinner bezel.(Both product's body can't be change much. Thinner disgin cause no more RAM upgrade by user and higher SSD price for replacement. No one use Apple SSD format at this time. Also they create different socket for newer model. This is BS.)
Air won't get the retina but it should bump up to 1080P. instead current 900. Why Apple fight for Pro & Air line?
Also Pro should discountine old model. No more ODD and should have both 13" & 15" 2 retina model & 1 entry model without retina.
So entry level of Pro should match with old model price but new body.
Actually it came down to $999 - you are referencing WO, right? I bought a license for the company I was working for; our developers thought 'it was great!'
Ah, we're both partially right. Came down from $9900 to $499.
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;text-align:justify;">Existing maintenance program subscribers had the option to license the Shake source code for $50,000 USD.</span>
That's what I was confusing.
Ah! 10k it was! My memory is slipping, thanks for the prices. Yes, Shake was a great program - from what I have seen demoed. I wasn't any good at it. Web Objects I was more interested in, a truly fantastic package where you can loose a lifetime learning it...
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As to the machines themselves, Haswell if it lives up to rumors, will be a very nice update for the AIRs, the Mini and even the MBP. If some of the rumors are true the GPUs could be a significant improvement. Of course Intel has to write viable drivers for those chips. In something like the AIR though Haswell could be a very significant upgrade especially if combined with a new display technology.
Don't believe everything you read in the forums. Haswell could be a significant upgrade to the AIRs. It depends upon how the rumors pan out but also on what Apple blesses the AIR with.
That is just the processor, if AIR gets new screen tech power draw could be impacted positively. By the way they don't have to go retina with Sharps IGZO tech, just keeping the same res could save them significant power. Beyond that Sharp isn't the only source of new display technology. Speaking of tech, if Haswell ends up being a modest AIR upgrade maybe Apple will address secondary storage. To put it simply AIR needs more flash storage, lots more at least doubling base flash and making the upgrades a bit cheaper would do wonders for usability.
Beyond all of that the retina MBPs don't do too bad with integrated only acceleration of the display. So given a modest Haswell GPU bump and a smaller screen the results might be acceptable. 3D would still suck but if you are into 3D you won't be doing an intel integrated GPU machine anyways.
In any event there are apparently 3 different Haswell GPUs to choose from and likely different clock rates for each. Don't assume that Apple will build a flunky machine until they do. Be open to a surprise.
There is no doubt that Intels drivers suck. People waiting for the HDMI fix will confirm that. However brute force on the Haswell GPUs might make for very interesting rMBP 13" and AIRs. Haswell won't turn the machines into 3D powerhouses but they will offer that little extra that makes a huge difference in the feel of normal operations.
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This might sound tacky but I want to see white versions of the MacBook Pro to match the white iPad and iPhone.
I want the bezel from a black iPhone on the chassis of a white iPhone, giving me an iPhone that's aluminum coloured on the back and black on the front, to match every single Mac with a screen.
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That is just the processor, if AIR gets new screen tech power draw could be impacted positively. By the way they don't have to go retina with Sharps IGZO tech, just keeping the same res could save them significant power. Beyond that Sharp isn't the only source of new display technology. Speaking of tech, if Haswell ends up being a modest AIR upgrade maybe Apple will address secondary storage. To put it simply AIR needs more flash storage, lots more at least doubling base flash and making the upgrades a bit cheaper would do wonders for usability.
So far I haven't seen IGZO actually ship in anything. While the technology sounds promising, we haven't even seen a first generation product at this point. I would wait for that before becoming too excited about it. The really interesting point would be power consumption. Lowering power consumption tends to help with heat, which could help with the really thin displays used aside from its obvious impact on battery life. We have yet to see how they look, although I could see Apple being okay with something slightly regressive in terms of their desired color targets if it delivers strongly enough in other areas.
Read the forum, not the articles. That's the best way to enjoy this site.
Vorsos
I'm waiting for the 2nd gen rMBP to come out before I jump in. As it stands, the current model's chips don't seem particularly well optimized for it. So the sooner we see a refresh, the better.
How so? I have the 15in rMBP and it's easily the best machine I've ever owned, flies through everything I throw at it in either OSX or Windows 7 (Boot Camp). Now I wouldn't touch the current 13in with a '10ft pole'. No discrete graphics definitely shows.
I want the ability to queue FCPX renders overnight, without the GPU splitting that task with the sheer effort of filling its enormous screen frame buffer. So I'm giving Intel/AMD enough time to develop something specifically for retina displays, instead of the current chips/drivers hanging on by their horsepower.
For a more economic reason, the 1st gen rMBP is like any other 1st gen Apple product: extra expensive to offset the new R&D (see iPhone, MBA). As reported, the 2nd gen won't have much in the way of external changes, so their prices should drift closer to normal.
Good point. They do that with several products. ACD ($3299...$1899) Aperture ($499...$79) come to mind.
There is not enough difference between a 13" MBA and a 13" MBP Retina to justify making a retina version of the MBA.
If you pick the base model 13" MBA and bump the RAM to 8 Gb, the differences between that and the 13" rMBP are:
The rMBP has a 2.5 GHz dual core i5, versus the 1.8 GHz of the MBA.
The rMBP has retina screen resolution of 2560-by-1600, versus 1440 by 900 for the Air.
The rMBP is slightly smaller in width and depth, but .75" thick front to back, instead of the .1" to .7" taper of the MBA.
The rMBP weighs 0.61 pounds more (mostly battery I would guess).
The rMBP has an HDMI port, and a SDXC card slot instead of an SD card slot.
Everything else is the same. For all intents and purposes, the 13" retina Macbook is a retina Mac Air.
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Good point. They do that with several products. ACD ($3299...$1899) Aperture ($499...$79) come to mind.
Shake! $50,000 to $500!
Actually it came down to $999 - you are referencing WO, right? I bought a license for the company I was working for; our developers thought 'it was great!'
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
Actually it came down to $999 - you are referencing WO, right? I bought a license for the company I was working for; our developers thought 'it was great!'
Ah, we're both partially right. Came down from $9900 to $499.
Existing maintenance program subscribers had the option to license the Shake source code for $50,000 USD.
That's what I was confusing.
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Ah, we're both partially right. Came down from $9900 to $499.
That's what I was confusing.
That may not be a great example given that they eventually killed a superb program
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Will Haswell be available this early?
I'm waiting for the 2nd gen rMBP to come out before I jump in. As it stands, the current model's chips don't seem particularly well optimized for it. So the sooner we see a refresh, the better.
Yes. Haswell will release at June 2013.(Intel just postpone from April 2013 release.)
I think Apple will change LCD housing for Air & Pro for thinner bezel.(Both product's body can't be change much. Thinner disgin cause no more RAM upgrade by user and higher SSD price for replacement. No one use Apple SSD format at this time. Also they create different socket for newer model. This is BS.)
Air won't get the retina but it should bump up to 1080P. instead current 900. Why Apple fight for Pro & Air line?
Also Pro should discountine old model. No more ODD and should have both 13" & 15" 2 retina model & 1 entry model without retina.
So entry level of Pro should match with old model price but new body.
Ah! 10k it was! My memory is slipping, thanks for the prices. Yes, Shake was a great program - from what I have seen demoed. I wasn't any good at it. Web Objects I was more interested in, a truly fantastic package where you can loose a lifetime learning it...
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That sounds like a 'biblical' achievement if they have. Perhaps they have an old and new testament version of their reports?
'biblical' achievement?