The only really interesting thing about this is the ability to stream Steam Games from your PC and even that is limited to in home wifi. Now if you could stream them over internet that would be something -- sort of like play-on. That is what they are trying to do with their Grid could service.
I find it odd, albeit not surprising, that the list Tegra 4 as being only slightly faster than the iPad 4. We're talking about at least a half a year between when Tegra 4 will start shipping and when the iPad 4 was shipping. I would have expected them to do better and I fully expect this image to be the best variance they could find.
Not to mention despite the fact that this is NVidia (the king of PR spin and overhyped chips: see Tegra 2/3) there wasn't a big emphasis on 3D performance, at least how it was presented by journalists. Why are they showing only browser load time?
Also, while they have finally moved to dual-channel memory wih Tegra 4, I read that the shaders are supposedly still not unified --- thus OpenCL/CUDA and openGL ES 3.x are NOT supported.
With the hype and corresponding flop (GPU-wise) of Tegra 1, 2, and 3, I won't be surprised if ImgTech PowerVR continues to crush them...
There are a couple of issues here. First; A15 has been over sold by those that just don't understand electronics. That is not so say it is a crap chip rather it is an excellent chip for what it was designed for which is low power servers and the like.
Second; in part due to Apple secrecy the industry and the public really don't know just how good Apples A6 is. It is certainly bleeding edge ARM technology and as such It would be surprising to see a generic A15 do significantly better.
Third; I haven't looked into the specifics of the release so i don't know anything about clock rates, memory bandwidth or the like. All of these are significant in judging the performance of a chip. Also it is understood that this is prototype hardware not something set in stone. Come shipping time the clock rates could change as could memory configurations. Given that; by the time this ships Apple should be on version two of A6.
To sum it up give A15 the credit is deserves but don't expect miracles.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I find it odd, albeit not surprising, that the list Tegra 4 as being only slightly faster than the iPad 4. We're talking about at least a half a year between when Tegra 4 will start shipping and when the iPad 4 was shipping. I would have expected them to do better and I fully expect this image to be the best variance they could find.
actually there is nothing really special about retina and is merely a verb describing a screen. As for NVida using it that is something that is actually pretty wise on their part as it puts the screen into the same class as Apples products.
As for this product I suspect it is dead out of the box. That really has little to do with Apple but rather the strangeness of the object. I just don't see a compelling reason to spend money on it. It is actually a rather significant disappointment as NVidia needs to expand its horizons if it expects to stay in business and even grow as a company. In the end the use of the word retinal means nothing here other than to classify the screen.
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Originally Posted by sflocal
And rightfully so.
This just goes to show the sad, pathetic, non-innovate state of Apple's competitors. Leave it to Apple to not only make products that iHaters and Phandroids criticize, but gets copied by the entire industry while "pretending" that it was the natural progression of technology and not Apple's R&D (i.e. "Ultrabooks Inspired by Intel"), but now these a$$hats are copying Apple's marketing phrases too? That's just shameful. With the countless number of words in the dictionary, they could not come up with something entirely original??? WTF??
How will the iHaters spin this? They eschewed Apple for trying to define the technical description of "retina" displays, and wrote it off as a marketing ploy, yet now a key Android chip provider is using a variation of that same word? That's total bu11sh!t!
This reminds me of the movie "Coming to America", where a character essentially copies McDonald's franchise and pretends it's original. From Wikipedia:
In the film, the restaurant is owned by Cleo McDowell (John Amos) and based in Queens, New York.[5] It is under investigation from the McDonald's Corporation for allegedly copying their franchise. At one point, McDowell confronts a photographer shooting outside the restaurant, who McDowell believes is working to gather evidence for McDonald's. The logos and typeface are extremely similar, including the names of the dishes: the "Big Mac" becomes the "Big Mc" - Mr. McDowell explains, "They both contain two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions. But they use a sesame seed bun. My buns have no seeds." McDowell, in describing the differences between his logo and McDonald's, explains, "They got the Golden Arches, mine the Golden Arcs." Later in the film, when McDowell is first confronted by King Jaffe Joffer, he is seen reading a McDonald's Operation Manual.
They very likely will continue to be crushed by the Power VR series in mobile. NVidia has a lot to learn about low power electronics, even AMD whips their ass here. Of course one thing to consider here is that maybe they have gotten smart and are specifically avoiding real performance statements until something can be shipped.
I'm still of the opinion that when this actually ships Apple will not be far at all from shipping A6 Mk2. Mk2 could be nothing more than the current A6 CPU's coupled with new PowerVR cores. It will be hard to catch up with Apple at the rate they are going, their only limitation right now is fab capacity.
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Originally Posted by winterspan
Not to mention despite the fact that this is NVidia (the king of PR spin and overhyped chips: see Tegra 2/3) there wasn't a big emphasis on 3D performance, at least how it was presented by journalists. Why are they showing only browser load time?
Also, while they have finally moved to dual-channel memory wih Tegra 4, I read that the shaders are supposedly still not unified --- thus OpenCL/CUDA and openGL ES 3.x are NOT supported.
With the hype and corresponding flop (GPU-wise) of Tegra 1, 2, and 3, I won't be surprised if ImgTech PowerVR continues to crush them...
This reminds me of the movie "Coming to America", where a character essentially copies McDonald's franchise and pretends it's original. From Wikipedia:
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;">In the film, the restaurant is owned by Cleo McDowell (</span>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Amos" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;" target="_blank" title="John Amos">John Amos</a>
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;">) and based in </span>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;" target="_blank" title="Queens">Queens</a>
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;">, </span>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;" target="_blank" title="New York">New York</a>
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;">.</span>
<sup class="reference" id="user_cite_ref-5" style="line-height:1em;font-family:sans-serif;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming_to_America#cite_note-5" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;white-space:nowrap;" target="_blank">[5]</a>
</sup>
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;"> It is under investigation from the </span>
<a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_Corporation" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;" target="_blank" title="McDonald's Corporation">McDonald's Corporation</a>
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;"> for allegedly copying their franchise. At one point, McDowell confronts a photographer shooting outside the restaurant, who McDowell believes is working to gather evidence for McDonald's. The logos and typeface are extremely similar, including the names of the dishes: the "</span>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;" target="_blank" title="Big Mac">Big Mac</a>
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;">" becomes the "Big Mc" - Mr. McDowell explains, "They both contain two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions. But they use a sesame seed bun. My buns have no seeds." McDowell, in describing the differences between his logo and McDonald's, explains, "They got the </span>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Arches" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;" target="_blank" title="Golden Arches">Golden Arches</a>
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;">, mine the Golden Arcs." Later in the film, when McDowell is first confronted by </span>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Jones" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;" target="_blank" title="James Earl Jones">King Jaffe Joffer</a>
<span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;">, he is seen reading a McDonald's Operation Manual.
As for NVida using it that is something that is actually pretty wise on their part as it puts the screen into the same class as Apples products.
I think they used retinal, not retina which might get them past the Retina® trademark. I'm not sure how they other displays will officially be marketed but I can't imagine that Retinal® will be allowable. As a simple descriptor at an event I think it would be fine but not officially.
This just goes to show the sad, pathetic, non-innovate state of Apple's competitors. Leave it to Apple to not only make products that iHaters and Phandroids criticize, but gets copied by the entire industry while "pretending" that it was the natural progression of technology and not Apple's R&D (i.e. "Ultrabooks Inspired by Intel"), but now these a$$hats are copying Apple's marketing phrases too? That's just shameful. With the countless number of words in the dictionary, they could not come up with something entirely original??? WTF??
How will the iHaters spin this? They eschewed Apple for trying to define the technical description of "retina" displays, and wrote it off as a marketing ploy, yet now a key Android chip provider is using a variation of that same word? That's total bu11sh!t!
This reminds me of the movie "Coming to America", where a character essentially copies McDonald's franchise and pretends it's original. From Wikipedia:
In the film, the restaurant is owned by Cleo McDowell (John Amos) and based in Queens, New York.[5] It is under investigation from the McDonald's Corporation for allegedly copying their franchise. At one point, McDowell confronts a photographer shooting outside the restaurant, who McDowell believes is working to gather evidence for McDonald's. The logos and typeface are extremely similar, including the names of the dishes: the "Big Mac" becomes the "Big Mc" - Mr. McDowell explains, "They both contain two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions. But they use a sesame seed bun. My buns have no seeds." McDowell, in describing the differences between his logo and McDonald's, explains, "They got the Golden Arches, mine the Golden Arcs." Later in the film, when McDowell is first confronted by King Jaffe Joffer, he is seen reading a McDonald's Operation Manual.
You getting my drift NVidia? Samsung?
I would love to see Apple go haywire over retina(l) - would just show how pathetic Apple is.
Is Nvidia's choice a good one? I would say NO. They could have come up with something more catchy, maybe rectanal. LOL
I'm happy with my Wii U streaming COD BO2 to my gamepad. No need for this. Nintendo beat you to this one. But it will be nice for the dedicated PC gamers I think.
You think it's pathetic to defend a registered trademark? Note you have to defend it or you can lose it.
Noted. Yes I think it is pathetic to defend a registered trademark over one letter difference (in this case "l" at the end of the word) as much as it would be pathetic to defend the same trademark over for example additional letter "c" in the middle of the word like "rectina", imagine that . I guess they wouldn't go so far if two letters are added like "rectinal" or even worse "rectanal" but who knows.
It wouldn't be the first time for Apple to go and claim that a similarity is actually a copy and infringement of a registered trademark .
I can see why someone would want something like this. Fist, the controls are very familiar to Xbox junkies and second, Android games are a couple of bucks each compared to the $20-50 they want for other platforms.
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Not to mention despite the fact that this is NVidia (the king of PR spin and overhyped chips: see Tegra 2/3) there wasn't a big emphasis on 3D performance, at least how it was presented by journalists. Why are they showing only browser load time?
Also, while they have finally moved to dual-channel memory wih Tegra 4, I read that the shaders are supposedly still not unified --- thus OpenCL/CUDA and openGL ES 3.x are NOT supported.
With the hype and corresponding flop (GPU-wise) of Tegra 1, 2, and 3, I won't be surprised if ImgTech PowerVR continues to crush them...
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Originally Posted by roninja
Soon you will have to compare Tegra4 SoCs with PowerVR series 6 (Rogue) - I'm confident an Apple A7 will comfortably beat all-comers this year!
Exactly... Even if Apple goes quad a6, they will comfortably have by far the best GPU and processor.
There are a couple of issues here. First; A15 has been over sold by those that just don't understand electronics. That is not so say it is a crap chip rather it is an excellent chip for what it was designed for which is low power servers and the like.
Second; in part due to Apple secrecy the industry and the public really don't know just how good Apples A6 is. It is certainly bleeding edge ARM technology and as such It would be surprising to see a generic A15 do significantly better.
Third; I haven't looked into the specifics of the release so i don't know anything about clock rates, memory bandwidth or the like. All of these are significant in judging the performance of a chip. Also it is understood that this is prototype hardware not something set in stone. Come shipping time the clock rates could change as could memory configurations. Given that; by the time this ships Apple should be on version two of A6.
To sum it up give A15 the credit is deserves but don't expect miracles.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I find it odd, albeit not surprising, that the list Tegra 4 as being only slightly faster than the iPad 4. We're talking about at least a half a year between when Tegra 4 will start shipping and when the iPad 4 was shipping. I would have expected them to do better and I fully expect this image to be the best variance they could find.
actually there is nothing really special about retina and is merely a verb describing a screen. As for NVida using it that is something that is actually pretty wise on their part as it puts the screen into the same class as Apples products.
As for this product I suspect it is dead out of the box. That really has little to do with Apple but rather the strangeness of the object. I just don't see a compelling reason to spend money on it. It is actually a rather significant disappointment as NVidia needs to expand its horizons if it expects to stay in business and even grow as a company. In the end the use of the word retinal means nothing here other than to classify the screen.
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Originally Posted by sflocal
And rightfully so.
This just goes to show the sad, pathetic, non-innovate state of Apple's competitors. Leave it to Apple to not only make products that iHaters and Phandroids criticize, but gets copied by the entire industry while "pretending" that it was the natural progression of technology and not Apple's R&D (i.e. "Ultrabooks Inspired by Intel"), but now these a$$hats are copying Apple's marketing phrases too? That's just shameful. With the countless number of words in the dictionary, they could not come up with something entirely original??? WTF??
How will the iHaters spin this? They eschewed Apple for trying to define the technical description of "retina" displays, and wrote it off as a marketing ploy, yet now a key Android chip provider is using a variation of that same word? That's total bu11sh!t!
This reminds me of the movie "Coming to America", where a character essentially copies McDonald's franchise and pretends it's original. From Wikipedia:
In the film, the restaurant is owned by Cleo McDowell (John Amos) and based in Queens, New York.[5] It is under investigation from the McDonald's Corporation for allegedly copying their franchise. At one point, McDowell confronts a photographer shooting outside the restaurant, who McDowell believes is working to gather evidence for McDonald's. The logos and typeface are extremely similar, including the names of the dishes: the "Big Mac" becomes the "Big Mc" - Mr. McDowell explains, "They both contain two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions. But they use a sesame seed bun. My buns have no seeds." McDowell, in describing the differences between his logo and McDonald's, explains, "They got the Golden Arches, mine the Golden Arcs." Later in the film, when McDowell is first confronted by King Jaffe Joffer, he is seen reading a McDonald's Operation Manual.
You getting my drift NVidia? Samsung?
They very likely will continue to be crushed by the Power VR series in mobile. NVidia has a lot to learn about low power electronics, even AMD whips their ass here. Of course one thing to consider here is that maybe they have gotten smart and are specifically avoiding real performance statements until something can be shipped.
I'm still of the opinion that when this actually ships Apple will not be far at all from shipping A6 Mk2. Mk2 could be nothing more than the current A6 CPU's coupled with new PowerVR cores. It will be hard to catch up with Apple at the rate they are going, their only limitation right now is fab capacity.
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Originally Posted by winterspan
Not to mention despite the fact that this is NVidia (the king of PR spin and overhyped chips: see Tegra 2/3) there wasn't a big emphasis on 3D performance, at least how it was presented by journalists. Why are they showing only browser load time?
Also, while they have finally moved to dual-channel memory wih Tegra 4, I read that the shaders are supposedly still not unified --- thus OpenCL/CUDA and openGL ES 3.x are NOT supported.
With the hype and corresponding flop (GPU-wise) of Tegra 1, 2, and 3, I won't be surprised if ImgTech PowerVR continues to crush them...
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I think they used retinal, not retina which might get them past the Retina® trademark. I'm not sure how they other displays will officially be marketed but I can't imagine that Retinal® will be allowable. As a simple descriptor at an event I think it would be fine but not officially.
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Originally Posted by sflocal
And rightfully so.
This just goes to show the sad, pathetic, non-innovate state of Apple's competitors. Leave it to Apple to not only make products that iHaters and Phandroids criticize, but gets copied by the entire industry while "pretending" that it was the natural progression of technology and not Apple's R&D (i.e. "Ultrabooks Inspired by Intel"), but now these a$$hats are copying Apple's marketing phrases too? That's just shameful. With the countless number of words in the dictionary, they could not come up with something entirely original??? WTF??
How will the iHaters spin this? They eschewed Apple for trying to define the technical description of "retina" displays, and wrote it off as a marketing ploy, yet now a key Android chip provider is using a variation of that same word? That's total bu11sh!t!
This reminds me of the movie "Coming to America", where a character essentially copies McDonald's franchise and pretends it's original. From Wikipedia:
In the film, the restaurant is owned by Cleo McDowell (John Amos) and based in Queens, New York.[5] It is under investigation from the McDonald's Corporation for allegedly copying their franchise. At one point, McDowell confronts a photographer shooting outside the restaurant, who McDowell believes is working to gather evidence for McDonald's. The logos and typeface are extremely similar, including the names of the dishes: the "Big Mac" becomes the "Big Mc" - Mr. McDowell explains, "They both contain two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions. But they use a sesame seed bun. My buns have no seeds." McDowell, in describing the differences between his logo and McDonald's, explains, "They got the Golden Arches, mine the Golden Arcs." Later in the film, when McDowell is first confronted by King Jaffe Joffer, he is seen reading a McDonald's Operation Manual.
You getting my drift NVidia? Samsung?
I would love to see Apple go haywire over retina(l) - would just show how pathetic Apple is.
Is Nvidia's choice a good one? I would say NO. They could have come up with something more catchy, maybe rectanal. LOL
You think it's pathetic to defend a registered trademark? Note you have to defend it or you can lose it.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You think it's pathetic to defend a registered trademark? Note you have to defend it or you can lose it.
Noted. Yes I think it is pathetic to defend a registered trademark over one letter difference (in this case "l" at the end of the word) as much as it would be pathetic to defend the same trademark over for example additional letter "c" in the middle of the word like "rectina", imagine that
It wouldn't be the first time for Apple to go and claim that a similarity is actually a copy and infringement of a registered trademark
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
My god that thing is ugly. I'm glad I'm not into hard core gaming. Yuck.
Whenever I think gaming consoles can't get uglier anymore, I am proven wrong.