Home button fingerprint sensor in 'iPhone 5S' would give Apple a new leg up on the competition

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  • Reply 41 of 130
    Exactly. NFC just hasn't taken off. It's not quick enough to use as an Oyster card replacement on the London Underground for example and it simply isn't needed for contactless payments either, so what's the point?
  • Reply 42 of 130


    How about intergrateing the fingerprint reader with 1password. the reader would worl with login and iOS and 1password would work with the apps.  Time to buy 1password?

  • Reply 43 of 130
    They can just integrate it into the ON button like my old Atrix 4G.
  • Reply 44 of 130
    The Motorola Atrix had a fingerprint reader in the power button. Did this guy do his research?
  • Reply 45 of 130


    Does anyone else notice that this guy's refresh/release schedule is weighted very heavily in the 3rd & 4th quarters? I recall Apple staggering their product releases for a more even level of sales throughout the year.

  • Reply 46 of 130


    My speculation (because that's all this is at this point, even if you're an "analyst") is that we won't see a fingerprint sensor until the iPhone 6. It's too soon, Apple just bought Authentec in the fall.  The iPhone 5S design is likely nearly finalized.


     


    Adding it to the 6 instead allows them to go through a bunch of prototypes and really figure out the best way to do it.  Plus the case redesign would help them make room if necessary.  Have you seen how thin the iPhone 5 home button is?  I'm not convinced they could add a fingerprint sensor without a major redesign of the inside layout of the phone.


     


    It also gives Apple more time to refine passbook.


     


    That of course leaves the question, what will be the new feature of the 5S?

  • Reply 47 of 130
    majjomajjo Posts: 574member
    kpom wrote: »
    Apple will put it in when it makes sense, and not before. Right now, what are its uses, besides Galaxy S3 users sharing self-made porn videos like on that silly commercial? There are also security concerns with NFC right now. Even Google hasn't been able to make much use for it. Google Wallet isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0089VO7RY

    I don't even care about wallet or whatever NFC payment system that comes out. But the potential of those makes NFC worth having.
  • Reply 48 of 130


    Screen integration would mean completely replacing the hardware used now. This isn't something that I would suspect to happen anytime in the near future. Now that being said, they could make use of the on-board camera for identity verification... perhaps in conjunction with the finger print reader.

  • Reply 49 of 130

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post


    even though it's off topic (Passbook bitching that is)...Another great feature I'd love to see come to Passbook are loyalty cards.  I have a billion of those that get lost in my wallet or i just don't have at the time i'm in a store that I'd love for Apple to take initiative with.



    There is some integration with this already.  Walgreens for example has their loyalty card on Passbook.  I'll agree the rollout hasn't been as fast as I would like, but I still like the potetional of passbook

  • Reply 50 of 130

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    Apple is expected to launch a new iPhone this year with a fingerprint sensor hidden beneath the home button ??an intuitive design that could be difficult for competing Android and Windows Phone devices to copy.




    Fingerprint



     


     


    First off, does whoever made this picture realize that the phone on the right isn't a Windows phone, but actually an HTC Android phone?  Second, there's already been several phones out there (including Android phones) to make use of fingerprint scanners...

  • Reply 51 of 130


    A password vault (with good secure passwords) built into iOS that can only be accessed by your fingerprint would be very slick. When prompted with a website or app asking for login and password details, iOS requests a fingerprint scan, if successful, it auto-fills the website or app.

  • Reply 52 of 130
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CentralParkMac View Post


    Screen integration would mean completely replacing the hardware used now. This isn't something that I would suspect to happen anytime in the near future. Now that being said, they could make use of the on-board camera for identity verification... perhaps in conjunction with the finger print reader.



     


    I'm not sure if it will happen but in fact, the fingerprint tech they just bought was for exactly this, integrating the scanning tech right into a regular screen.  Since they've been rather intimately involved in the design of their screens lately, even to the point of investing in factories and so forth, it's at least a possibility.  It wouldn't take years or anything either.  Presuming the fact that it works, it would just be adding the sensor layer to the next round of screens produced.  


     


    Also, you should know that using a camera to identify the users face is basically a joke. It doesn't actually work.  


    It's a boondoggle and not really anything to do with "security" per se at all.  

  • Reply 53 of 130
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jason98 View Post



    Android is moving to edge-to-edge screens with soft buttons. I do not think the home button has a long life to live as it occupies priceless real estate preventing from further screen size increase.



    What apple might do is to put the sensor on the back side of the iPhone...


     


    For reasons to many to mention that have been discussed over and over again ... the Home button is not going anywhere.  It's a central part of the entire design, everyone likes it, and removing it would serve no purpose.  


     


    Also ... edge to edge screens?  What have you been smoking?  

  • Reply 54 of 130
    In what way?


    Increased password vulnerability ranked number one among Deloitte Canada’s top 10 predictions for this year. “Over 90% of user-generated passwords will be vulnerable to hacking in seconds,” the firm predicts.


    http://blogs.wsj.com/canadarealtime/2013/01/15/dont-count-traditional-pcs-out-just-yet/?mod=e2tw

    This is only one problem with it, and that's a doozy
  • Reply 55 of 130
    antkm1antkm1 Posts: 1,441member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackbook View Post


     


     


    That would be the perfect use of Passbook, especially in its current form. The only problem is retailers have been extremely lukewarm about Passbook adoption.


     


    Walgreens is the only one that currently has their rewards store card available on passbook. If most national retailers would hop on the bandwagon and have their store cards (in particular grocery stores) that would make Passbook so much more useful.



    the fact that i have to download and utilize the Walgreens app on my phone, then transfer the data from the Walgreens app to the Passbook app.  This is why it fails, too many apps and too many taps to get the job done.


     


    How should it happen.  You sign up in store for a loyalty card (Petsmart, Walgreens, Best Buy, Subway, etc.) using your email address.


    They send you an email with the loyalty card, tap "add to passbook"...done.


     


    Next time you're at that store, bring up passbook and you have a digital wallet showing your points history and rewards, any additional coupons that can be scanned at the register.  Done!

  • Reply 56 of 130
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member


    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

    The analyst has also predicted that the iPad mini will gain a Retina display in 2013, while the full-size iPad will sport a lighter and thinner design ...


     


    I don't think either of those things are possible unless 1. Apple has invented some new advanced battery technology, and/or 2. Apple will roll out IGZO-based LCD and/or OLED panels this year.  The reason why the iPad 3rd / 4th gen are thicker than the iPad 2 is because all those pixels require more power.  More power requires either a better and/or a larger battery.  Apple didn't have better battery technology, so they made the battery bigger.


     


    But IGZO conductors are vastly more efficient than the current amorphous silicon technology.  40 times better conductivity plus better transparency means far more power-efficiency, since the thousands of "invisible wires" to all those pixels will require far less power.  It will be interesting to see if Apple and Sharp are ready to ship IGZO-based OLED screens in volume, or if they'll simply upgrade the traditional LCD + backlight technology with IGZO (for now).

  • Reply 57 of 130
    Mack book pro retina was just redesigned,,, another redesign again this year... Does not compute!
    New design iphone 5? Why would it be called iphone 5 if it is new design?

    Finger orint sensor is cool. I dont see the concern of the first comment posted here.
    It can be a local process of authentication on the device... Independent of remote sites.
    Plus i feel it will be mainly for authentication of the phone user to get past lock screen... And apps on iphone.
    If it ever gets expanded to act as log in authentication for remote sites.. It will just be fantastic.

    Apple TV.. If they dont do a full blown TV... I expect apple tv to introduce some major functionality enhancements expected from a full blown tv!
  • Reply 58 of 130
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post


    the fact that i have to download and utilize the Walgreens app on my phone, then transfer the data from the Walgreens app to the Passbook app.  This is why it fails, too many apps and too many taps to get the job done.


     


    How should it happen.  You sign up in store for a loyalty card (Petsmart, Walgreens, Best Buy, Subway, etc.) using your email address.


    They send you an email with the loyalty card, tap "add to passbook"...done.


     


    Next time you're at that store, bring up passbook and you have a digital wallet showing your points history and rewards, any additional coupons that can be scanned at the register.  Done!



     


    The AMC app works exactly like that.  You should try it.  It's free.


     


    Come to think of it, Starbucks and Fandango do too.  Right there in Passbook.  


     


    In fact, Apple's iOS 6 page has all the details that you've apparently missed:


     




    You can add passes to Passbook through apps, emails, and websites from participating airlines, theaters, stores, and more. 



     


    Here ya go.  Enlighten yourself: http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/#passbook

  • Reply 59 of 130
    evilutionevilution Posts: 1,399member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ifij775 View Post


    The username/password system is totally insecure, cumbersome, and a complete failure.



    Everything you say now is moot.


    Firstly it's as secure as you want it to be. If you go for 1234 then clearly you are gonna have issues.


    Secondly, no matter what alternative security you put on there, you will have to keep the standard login in case the tech doesn't work.


     


    Imagine you have an accident and your hands are covered in blood. Phone won't unlock, you are in trouble.


    Just think if Android owners could only log into their phone with their amazing face recognition unlocking, there would be about 100 million people who would have an unusable phone. How I laughed at the Android owners I know, trying to impress by demonstrating FR unlocking 7 or 8 times with a fail each time.


     


    Sometimes it's easier to log in normally. it's only 4 digits to unlock your phone.

  • Reply 60 of 130
    evilutionevilution Posts: 1,399member


    The iPhone needs a fingerprint scanner as much as it needs NFC.


     


    For now...

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