Last Friday I took a moment to tap the "show incorrect location" tab on Google Maps to report our companies inaccurate location according to their data. It wasn't off by much but still put customers at a neighbors business rather than ours. This morning around 8:30 a Google rep called to confirm our business information and to correct the location error shown on Google Maps, referencing the satellite layer over the map display. Looking at it just now it's already been corrected.
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I'll see your tale with another one. Actually about ten. All bad info, all reported several times over the past 3-4 years. All still wrong. Thanks goggle
The only reason things are getting fixed quickly now is because of the crap talk Apple is getting over errors. google stepped up their game when they really didn't care so much before to use it as a hype point
You can't depend on on publicly editable data. There will always be some mischievous pranksters, hackers, etc.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Wikipedia says you're wrong.
You may find this graphical representation of the Wikipedia page edits on the topic of abortion interesting.
Vertical axis is article length in words. Horizontal axis is time. Colour bands are individual contributors.
Black vertical lines indicate times when the entire article was deleted and replaced with a short, abusive message. The zig zag section to the right indicates an argument where content was repeatedly posted and removed.
I'm in Brisbane Australia. Only about 2 million or so of us in this corner of the world, but we are Australia so fairly advanced. Mapping data has to be available.....
When I look at South East Queensland, Apple maps is a shambles. Forget bogus street names, it shows bogus towns. And doesn't label real towns.
You may find this graphical representation of the Wikipedia page edits on the topic of abortion interesting.
Vertical axis is article length in words. Horizontal axis is time. Colour bands are individual contributors.
Black vertical lines indicate times when the entire article was deleted and replaced with a short, abusive message. The zig zag section to the right indicates an argument where content was repeatedly posted and removed.
Yes, there is ALWAYS potential for abuse or mistakes; whether it's a bad employee, a hacker, or a prankster (like on Wikipedia or OpenStreetMaps).
Wikipedia has proven to be at least as, if not more than, accurate than leading commercial encyclopedias and text books. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if OpenStreetMaps contains no more or less errors as Google, Apple, Nokia, or others.
The difference is that at least with the "open" sites, mistakes are also in the open and can potentially be fixed sooner.
Last Friday I took a moment to tap the "show incorrect location" tab on Google Maps to report our companies inaccurate location according to their data. It wasn't off by much but still put customers at a neighbors business rather than ours. This morning around 8:30 a Google rep called to confirm our business information and to correct the location error shown on Google Maps, referencing the satellite layer over the map display. Looking at it just now it's already been corrected.
I had reported the incorrect street addressing to Nokia/Navteq at least twice in the past 4 years, and reported the map error to Tomtom (TeleAtlas) at least once in the last two years. Neither of them have corrected the map yet, tho both are slooowly getting closer to accurately numbering the area over the last half-dozen map updates. Google put the fix in place within days of the initial error reporting.
Lucky you, but it is a new development. Google is upping its game as it is being threatened on a few fronts, including maps. A draw back I think Apple will need to eventually correct, is it isn't personally able to correct data, as corrections are largely done by Tom Tom.
I also heard that 4 people and two penguins using Apple's maps in Antarctica have been having issues with Apple maps, and Apple needs to get on top of this right away.
Speaking with <em>UN Dispatch</em>, Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team director Kate Chapman <a href="http://www.undispatch.com/how-afghan-mappers-punked-apple">explained</a> that the error likely stems from Apple taking "an old snapshot of the OpenStreetMap data and [not updating] it since, so things like 'personal' street names are in there, even if they have been fixed since."
I found this alarming. Why the hell Apple don't use the most up-to-date data?
Lucky you, but it is a new development. Google is upping its game as it is being threatened on a few fronts, including maps. A draw back I think Apple will need to eventually correct, is it isn't personally able to correct data, as corrections are largely done by Tom Tom.
It might be that Apple has prompted a better effort on Google's part in fast-tracking map corrections. Thanks Apple if that's the case. We're now showing up in exactly the right spot on at least one major map, Google's, but still off by nearly a quarter mile on Tomtom maps and several hundred feet on Navteq. I wonder what would prompt those two to be more proactive when users report map errors?
The maps issue won't die until Apple allows users the option to choose their default maps app versus Apple's being the automatic default.
But Apple will never do that so the Maps issue will likely always be a thorn.
I wonder why there wasn't an issue with Google Maps being the default for five years. Why didn't we hear any complaints from people who demanded Apple to give them the option of having Yahoo! Maps as default?
It's probably because there are no valid complaints in this regard and it's just Google's paid (and otherwise) entourage drumming up false conditions.
You can't depend on on publicly editable data. There will always be some mischievous pranksters, hackers, etc.
You can't rely on any data, then, not checked by yourself. This is quite close to solipsism, where the only thing known in existence is yourself.
A givernment or company database might have been hacked or a mischievious prankster might have introduced some fake data, some stagiaire long gone maybe. Doesn't happen? Never would a naked picture find its way in Bernard and Bianca, nor a satellite dish in The Hunchback of Notre Dame...
Publicly editable data (with public histories and linked sources) is probably more reliable than "black box" privately edited data.
I wonder why there wasn't an issue with Google Maps being the default for five years. Why didn't we hear any complaints from people who demanded Apple to give them the option of having Yahoo! Maps as default?
It's probably because there are no valid complaints in this regard and it's just Apple Maps being too low quality to be a default mapping system.
You may find this graphical representation of the Wikipedia page edits on the topic of abortion interesting.
Vertical axis is article length in words. Horizontal axis is time. Colour bands are individual contributors.
Black vertical lines indicate times when the entire article was deleted and replaced with a short, abusive message. The zig zag section to the right indicates an argument where content was repeatedly posted and removed.
I think this precisely proves the point: having a public history of the data is essential.
If you find a short, abusive message, you'll be inclined to check what happened (and probably restore the correct contents).
It also makes the point for the importance of checking the sources.
Parallel Kingdom at one time relied on OpenStreetMap or another user-editable map database. Unfortunately, players began adding fake communities to the system so they could create cities in out of the way locations. They moved away from the database because of this.
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I'll see your tale with another one. Actually about ten. All bad info, all reported several times over the past 3-4 years. All still wrong. Thanks goggle
The only reason things are getting fixed quickly now is because of the crap talk Apple is getting over errors. google stepped up their game when they really didn't care so much before to use it as a hype point
If we're only at Apple is Doomed™ version number 6.43 we must have exhausted the numbers zero through infinity and started over again.
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Originally Posted by mstone
You can't depend on on publicly editable data. There will always be some mischievous pranksters, hackers, etc.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Wikipedia says you're wrong.
You may find this graphical representation of the Wikipedia page edits on the topic of abortion interesting.
Vertical axis is article length in words. Horizontal axis is time. Colour bands are individual contributors.
Black vertical lines indicate times when the entire article was deleted and replaced with a short, abusive message. The zig zag section to the right indicates an argument where content was repeatedly posted and removed.
I'm in Brisbane Australia. Only about 2 million or so of us in this corner of the world, but we are Australia so fairly advanced. Mapping data has to be available.....
When I look at South East Queensland, Apple maps is a shambles. Forget bogus street names, it shows bogus towns. And doesn't label real towns.
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Originally Posted by Dunks
You may find this graphical representation of the Wikipedia page edits on the topic of abortion interesting.
Vertical axis is article length in words. Horizontal axis is time. Colour bands are individual contributors.
Black vertical lines indicate times when the entire article was deleted and replaced with a short, abusive message. The zig zag section to the right indicates an argument where content was repeatedly posted and removed.
Yes, there is ALWAYS potential for abuse or mistakes; whether it's a bad employee, a hacker, or a prankster (like on Wikipedia or OpenStreetMaps).
Wikipedia has proven to be at least as, if not more than, accurate than leading commercial encyclopedias and text books. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if OpenStreetMaps contains no more or less errors as Google, Apple, Nokia, or others.
The difference is that at least with the "open" sites, mistakes are also in the open and can potentially be fixed sooner.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Last Friday I took a moment to tap the "show incorrect location" tab on Google Maps to report our companies inaccurate location according to their data. It wasn't off by much but still put customers at a neighbors business rather than ours. This morning around 8:30 a Google rep called to confirm our business information and to correct the location error shown on Google Maps, referencing the satellite layer over the map display. Looking at it just now it's already been corrected.
I had reported the incorrect street addressing to Nokia/Navteq at least twice in the past 4 years, and reported the map error to Tomtom (TeleAtlas) at least once in the last two years. Neither of them have corrected the map yet, tho both are slooowly getting closer to accurately numbering the area over the last half-dozen map updates. Google put the fix in place within days of the initial error reporting.
Lucky you, but it is a new development. Google is upping its game as it is being threatened on a few fronts, including maps. A draw back I think Apple will need to eventually correct, is it isn't personally able to correct data, as corrections are largely done by Tom Tom.
I'm thinking they should have built a Maps-specific team first... just saying.
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I also heard that 4 people and two penguins using Apple's maps in Antarctica have been having issues with Apple maps, and Apple needs to get on top of this right away.
The penguins are just holding it wrong.
I found this alarming. Why the hell Apple don't use the most up-to-date data?
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Originally Posted by TBell
Lucky you, but it is a new development. Google is upping its game as it is being threatened on a few fronts, including maps. A draw back I think Apple will need to eventually correct, is it isn't personally able to correct data, as corrections are largely done by Tom Tom.
It might be that Apple has prompted a better effort on Google's part in fast-tracking map corrections. Thanks Apple if that's the case. We're now showing up in exactly the right spot on at least one major map, Google's, but still off by nearly a quarter mile on Tomtom maps and several hundred feet on Navteq. I wonder what would prompt those two to be more proactive when users report map errors?
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Originally Posted by Marvin
I'm surprised 'fallacious' was the focus and not the use of 'imbroglio' - don't hear that too often in conversation.
I miss Natalie Imbroglio. Her song gets stuck in my head every so often.
Originally Posted by blackbook
The maps issue won't die until Apple allows users the option to choose their default maps app versus Apple's being the automatic default.
But Apple will never do that so the Maps issue will likely always be a thorn.
I wonder why there wasn't an issue with Google Maps being the default for five years. Why didn't we hear any complaints from people who demanded Apple to give them the option of having Yahoo! Maps as default?
It's probably because there are no valid complaints in this regard and it's just Google's paid (and otherwise) entourage drumming up false conditions.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
It's probably because there are no valid complaints in this regard and it's just Google's paid (and otherwise) entourage drumming up false conditions.
Yup. It's pretty typical Apple-bashing from the those damn Google shills like David Pogue, Siegler, Gruber. . .
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Originally Posted by mstone
You can't depend on on publicly editable data. There will always be some mischievous pranksters, hackers, etc.
You can't rely on any data, then, not checked by yourself. This is quite close to solipsism, where the only thing known in existence is yourself.
A givernment or company database might have been hacked or a mischievious prankster might have introduced some fake data, some stagiaire long gone maybe. Doesn't happen? Never would a naked picture find its way in Bernard and Bianca, nor a satellite dish in The Hunchback of Notre Dame...
Publicly editable data (with public histories and linked sources) is probably more reliable than "black box" privately edited data.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I wonder why there wasn't an issue with Google Maps being the default for five years. Why didn't we hear any complaints from people who demanded Apple to give them the option of having Yahoo! Maps as default?
It's probably because there are no valid complaints in this regard and it's just Apple Maps being too low quality to be a default mapping system.
Here, fixed your logic for you.
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Originally Posted by Dunks
You may find this graphical representation of the Wikipedia page edits on the topic of abortion interesting.
Vertical axis is article length in words. Horizontal axis is time. Colour bands are individual contributors.
Black vertical lines indicate times when the entire article was deleted and replaced with a short, abusive message. The zig zag section to the right indicates an argument where content was repeatedly posted and removed.
I think this precisely proves the point: having a public history of the data is essential.
If you find a short, abusive message, you'll be inclined to check what happened (and probably restore the correct contents).
It also makes the point for the importance of checking the sources.