Apple launches new high-capacity 128GB Retina display iPad

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  • Reply 161 of 261
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member


    Now they need to increase iCloud storage from 5GB to at least 10GB.

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  • Reply 162 of 261
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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    If you don't get the music one then you are completely clueless about recording and production. Why do I need to carry around a truck full of equipment if I just want to lay down a couple tracks in a remote location or while on the road? I can be staying in a hotel and have my iPad, guitar and Apogee One and make quality recordings with gear that takes up no more space than a laptop would. 


    So you are using the Apogee mic for an acoustical guitar? I have an electric guitar. The only recording I have done was with a band where we mic everything. I suppose the Apogee works for a single instrument but wouldn't you need at least one more mic if you were doing singer songwriter stuff? And you are carrying around a mic stand and headphones, cables and stuff. It starts to add up to a lot of gear. I'm happy it works for you. I built a studio in my basement a number of years ago with sound proofing etc, but I don't play much anymore.

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  • Reply 163 of 261
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee View Post


    [...] If you don't get the music one then you are completely clueless about recording and production. Why do I need to carry around a truck full of equipment if I just want to lay down a couple tracks in a remote location or while on the road? I can be staying in a hotel and have my iPad, guitar and Apogee One and make quality recordings with gear that takes up no more space than a laptop would.



     


    So if you're only tracking a couple guitar parts, why would you need the extra storage capacity? I think that's the point -- that using music recording as a premise for increased storage seems kinda strange. If you're doing work that requires tons of storage, the portability of an iPad probably isn't going to provide much benefit, and in a situation where the portability of the iPad is an asset, you're probably not going to need that kind of storage.


     


    I suppose you might want 128GB if you were doing overdubs on twenty songs and were carrying around complete 48-track sessions for each one, but can an iPad even play a large session?

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  • Reply 164 of 261
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member

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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    The 128GB Microsoft Surface Pro Only Offers 83GB of Usable Space


    http://gizmodo.com/5979796/the-128gb-microsoft-surface-pro-only-offers-83gb-of-usable-space



     


    And the MBA has anywhere from 103GB to 113GB left on a 128GB SSD.  


     


    So what?  Given that Win8 itself seems to install on desktops in under 20GB I assume the rest of the space is included apps and the recovery partition that MS says can be deleted.


     


    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/system-requirements

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  • Reply 165 of 261
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    v5v wrote: »
    Fair enough, so bear with me as I present it another way: I resent having to subsidize the cheapskates in order to get a higher capacity device. If the exorbitant margins on the higher capacity devices are, in fact, necessary to allow a lower base price, then yes, I think the entry-level models are priced too low.

    One could also argue that ow-priced models are bringing down the price of the high-end model if it were to be sold as just a single capacity model at 128GB because economies of scale are helping to lower the price as most of the components are used across the entire line.
    One of my pet peeves, so I can't help myself here. "Begs the question" does not mean "logically leads one to ask." If an argument is based a flawed premise, it is said to beg the question. I share this NOT with the intention of being insulting or condescending, but because I'm vainly hoping it won't become another "could care less." :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

    Fair enough and I'm well aware of the "proper" usage but it colloquial and I quite like the way it sounds as all the parts work for its new usage which is probably why it became common in the first place.
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  • Reply 166 of 261
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    nasserae wrote: »
    Now they need to increase iCloud storage from 5GB to at least 10GB.

    Better yet, go back to the old iDisk method where I can store ALL my data on iDisk and have it mirrored automatically to my hard disk.
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  • Reply 167 of 261
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member

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    Finally, the iPad mini started at a price $170 less than the starting price of the iPad and yet the APR only when down $70. I think it's safe to say iPad mini buyers are buying the higher-end models.


     


    The iPad mini screams for the cellular modem.  I bet a good number of LTE iPad minis sold.

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  • Reply 168 of 261

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    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    Now they need to increase iCloud storage from 5GB to at least 10GB.



    Yes! Or at least offer 5GB for each iDevice, not just 5GB for each Apple ID.

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  • Reply 169 of 261
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

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    Originally Posted by v5v View Post


    I suppose you might want 128GB if you were doing overdubs on twenty songs and were carrying around complete 48-track sessions for each one, but can an iPad even play a large session?



    Yes, an iPad can play back large sessions.

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  • Reply 170 of 261
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member

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    I have a 64GB iPad and I use like 4GB. I've done this every time because "it's just $100 and what if i need that space" I tell myself. They've got me where they want me.


     


    4GB?  That's like 4 of my kid's games.

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  • Reply 171 of 261

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    To stick it into a Samsung device? Realy, if you don't understand the benefits of build-in NAND, well, then you don't understand the benefits of build-in NAND.

     


    O.K. not being sarcastic, then teach me. Maybe the cards and cloud are slower and screws with the file management system. But at 43, I don't care about running PacMan v. 157 requiring 15GB (that's poor sarcasm). 


     


    I guess the philosophical issue is 128 to 256 to 512... When does it stop? I was critical when Jobs and Apple dropped 3.5 drives, CDs, DVDs and so on. But the logic is sound and should apply to memory as well. Execute a flawless icloud system that can interface with other OSs, and memory becomes wasted plastic. The same could be said of displays. Why do I have to look at my iPad to get the content. Why can't my car navi or TV or a projection on a wall give me content?

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  • Reply 172 of 261

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    O.K. not being sarcastic, then teach me. Maybe the cards and cloud are slower and screws with the file management system. But at 43, I don't care about running PacMan v. 157 requiring 15GB (that's poor sarcasm). 


     


    I guess the philosophical issue is 128 to 256 to 512... When does it stop? I was critical when Jobs and Apple dropped 3.5 drives, CDs, DVDs and so on. But the logic is sound and should apply to memory as well. Execute a flawless icloud system that can interface with other OSs, and memory becomes wasted plastic. The same could be said of displays. Why do I have to look at my iPad to get the content. Why can't my car navi or TV or a projection on a wall give me content?



    Bolded part isn't happening unless LTE access becomes unimaginably cheaper. Yes wifi works but this is inherently a mobile device and people want their data on the go and don't want to kill their data plans for it. iCloud is not meant to be a replacement for storage from Apple's side (would have to start charging high service fees on more storage per user) or from the consumer's side (previously stated data plan limits). It is to work in conjunction. People need to come to that realization.

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  • Reply 173 of 261

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    I didn't mean anything personal by the snobery comment and I hope you didn't take too much offence.  I would say this is definitely not a use that most people want or care about though so to me it's still not a good reason for keeping the classic around given that so few people would actually want to do this.  



    No worries-nothing personal taken. My reply simply was to argue that the home music server use case is not fringe. Many people, myself included, appreciate the the Classic's ability to serve as a simple-to-use, familiar music server for a home audio system or with portable speakers. I have been to many homes and offices where the Classic does the heavy lifting of a complete music server. Far fewer people, in my experience, want to fiddle with desktop iTunes/NAS/media server/Mac mini simply to access content from their iTunes music library.

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  • Reply 174 of 261

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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post




    Medical images is another need for large storage.  A couple of the most interesting uses suggested by Apple were 3D CAD and Drafting/Blueprints...



    I found it interesting in the Apple announcement that they highlighted three business use examples:


     


    AutoCad, music recording, and football. The football example I get because you are on the sidelines watching the video taken in the previous plays of the day. 


     


     


    The AutoCad and music examples have me baffled. If you are at a construction site it might make sense to be able to view the plans on an iPad but why on earth would you make edits to them? All edits to the building CAD files should be done back at the architect's office on the master copy otherwise you have multiple versions floating around. The music one is nonsensical to me as well because in order to do professional recording you need a truck load of equipment like mics, stands, cords, instruments, etc. Why is a small portable device like an iPad a benefit when you are toting around a drum kit and a piano? You would probably be better off with the full desktop version of the app on a MBP



     


     


    On the drafting, consider:



    • The contractor is on the construction site


    • Likely, there is no reliable WiFi or cellular available


    • It is a hostile or cumbersome environment for a laptop


    • The architect, builder and/or client detects that changes are necessary


     


    Today, the architect will likely pull out his [hopefully] up-to-date copy of the blueprints and draw some lines and annotations describing the changes.  Later, these hard copy blueprints are taken back to the office where they are used to update the master copy and 3D renderings.  The updated "prints" and 3D renderings are returned to the site for builder and client review. This may take several days -- especially if the site is remote... and there is no guarantee that the changes will be acceptable.


     


    Now, if the architect could update the "prints" immediately, on site, and generate a 3D rendering -- he could assure that changes will satisfy the builder and the client before updating the master prints and eliminate the [possibly unsuccessful] turn around delay.


     


    It is kind of interesting that after many years absence, AutoDesk has returned to the Mac and has some iPad apps:


     


    'Our AutoCAD WS app for iOS was designed to give customers seamless access to their designs anywhere, anytime," Amy Bunszel, vice president of AutoCAD products for Autodesk, said in a statement. "These files are often large and highly detailed, so having [extra capacity] is a real advantage for iPad users to view, edit and share their AutoCAD data.'


     


    http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/01/128gb-ipad-from-myth-to-reality-in-24-hours/


     


     


    On the music:


     


    iPads are currently being used as musical instruments, sheet music display, music composition, mixer controllers, instrument effects controllers/generators, and editing the music.


     


    Some of these things can be done better on a laptop, but many of them can only be done on an iPad.



     


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    Edit: Also I forgot to mention that in almost every medical image setting you store the images on a server (PACS) and use an app to view them instead of saving them to the computer/iPad. In some instances we do share the images as a runtime Windows executable for doctors who don't have the native application, but in that case it doesn't run on an iPad anyway. It might make sense to save png files if you were going to make some Keynote presentations which included clinical cases but otherwise the large tiff of bmp files stay on the server. There is one nice Mac/iPad x-ray viewer. http://www.osirix-viewer.com



     


    I think the iPad use for doctors is mainly for patient interaction during rounds or office visits.  It may be practical to interact with the patient with lower resolution images than necessary for diagnosis.  As needed these could be streamed to the iPad.  Keep in mind that the iPad retina can display 2K (and even 4K) images and video.

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  • Reply 175 of 261
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    nht wrote: »
    And the MBA has anywhere from 103GB to 113GB left on a 128GB SSD.

    That means the MBA has less usable space than this new iPad. Hopefully this node jump means 256GB will be the minimum standard for Macs at the next release.

    nht wrote: »
    The iPad mini screams for the cellular modem.  I bet a good number of LTE iPad minis sold.

    I bet that's a big part of it. Plus, at $429 and $529 I don't think it's as hard to sell the higher capacity iPad mini to customers.

    nht wrote: »
    4GB?  That's like 4 of my kid's games.

    Yep. I even keep my TomTom app on it. I have no music. I have about 1.5GB in books. If I think I might want some video I'll move them over but that's rare. Perhaps that will change once I get my iMac and my iPad becomes my goto portable computer.
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  • Reply 176 of 261

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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    So you are using the Apogee mic for an acoustical guitar? I have an electric guitar. The only recording I have done was with a band where we mic everything. I suppose the Apogee works for a single instrument but wouldn't you need at least one more mic if you were doing singer songwriter stuff? And you are carrying around a mic stand and headphones, cables and stuff. It starts to add up to a lot of gear. I'm happy it works for you. I built a studio in my basement a number of years ago with sound proofing etc, but I don't play much anymore.



     


    I don't play a single instrument and my singing could be compared to a cat in heat. I used those items as an example of what someone COULD do.


     


    I've worked as a studio and FOH engineer for many years and have used everything from portable 4 channel mixers up to the big consoles from Midas or SSL. You use what works for the task at hand. I laugh when I come across "recording snobs" who think in-expensive gear is somehow useless. Everyone starts somewhere, and right now the iPad is the best thing out there for budding musicians who want to get into recording. It's also very useful for professionals.


     


    Years ago musicians used to carry around cheap portable tape recorders (some even carried those office memo recorders). If you had an idea while on the road you could quickly record something. The quality was horrible,but it was enough so that when you went into the studio you had something to listen to from that late night recording you made when you had some "creative spark". Today the iPad is ideal for this. People laugh at Garageband but they completely miss the point. You're not going to record a song with Garageband, but it's ideal for laying down a few tracks and making up a quick demo of an idea you had. It's like the old tape recorder x1000.


     


    The App they talked about during the announcement was Auria. I bought it for my kids who, unlike me, are very musically talented. I also got them a few other items this Christmas for recording with the iPad. They are 6 and 9 years old and they already understand the concepts of multitrack recording. They'll record piano first. Then they'll sing along and if they make mistakes they know how to go back and re-record the part they messed up. Then they might add some percussion or bass. They play with levels to make it sound good. They try out reverb and effects. Then they mix it all together to produce the final song. Now I've got them learning about MIDI and they're experimenting with using a MIDI controller/keyboard with Animoog, iPolysix and iMS-20. Free from any pre-concieved ideas they're coming up with some pretty cool stuff.


     


    I suggest anyone interested check out the Youtube reviews of Auria to see what it can do. Or check out all the Audiobus videos to see how people are multitasking several Apps at once to produce recordings on the iPad. But don't bother if you hate Apple/love Android. You'll ikely be dis-appointed at just how much you can do with an iPad.

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  • Reply 177 of 261
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Originally Posted by SCProfessor View Post


    [...] Execute a flawless icloud system that can interface with other OSs, and memory becomes wasted plastic.



     


    I can see how a cloud system might mitigate storage requirements somewhat, but it doesn't reduce the amount of memory the system needs to run efficiently. I don't understand that statement.


     


    As for storage, there are a couple reasons I'd still rather have lots on-board.


     


    First, I spend most of my life in places where WiFi is not available and cell data is weak, slow and intermittent. Cloud storage is simply not accessible most of the time. That's probably not true for most people, but I'll bet a lot of people, especially those not living in major cities, face slow and/or periodically inaccessible cloud storage.


     


    Second, I pay once for on-board storage. Cloud access costs me money every time I use it, because I pay for the data traffic required to constantly retrieve files from the server.


     


    Even in cases where online access is not an issue there's still the issue of time spent waiting for larger files to download.


     


    I very much appreciate the cloud as a means of convenient device sync when a signal is available, but not as a substitute for the reliability and speed of having what I want or need on-hand when I want or need it.

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  • Reply 178 of 261
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

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    Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee View Post


    The App they talked about during the announcement was Auria. 



    Auria is a nice app, I have it.

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  • Reply 179 of 261


    With 812.11ac coming along this year, I can see a big push into the living room with a 128 GB iPad. The 128 GB iPad, with faster Airport routers serving that content to the Apple TV makes it very, very easy to order that TV episode while on the sofa thinking of what to watch. The value proposition of that TV series become more compelling when it is always right there with you.


     


    Yes, Apple may intend TV content to be stored in the cloud, but primarily on iDevices. But there will be no larger capacity Apple TV. There will be better Airplay and Airplay Mirroring, etc from local storage. My bet is Apple is going hard with a vision of television that includes few native Apple TV apps, no significant local content storage on the Apple TV, and no actual TV monitor.


     


    They want faster Wifi for better networked iPads, iPhones, and iPods-all to easily consume even more iTunes content. You want Season 1 of Girls? Buy it and store it on your iPad, watch it on the plane or train, and finish it at home over Wifi. It's really not about TV; it's about an end-to-end home media service via Apple TV, portable devices, iCloud, and superfast wireless routers.

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  • Reply 180 of 261
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

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    But don't bother if you hate Apple/love Android. You'll ikely be dis-appointed at just how much you can do with an iPad.



    That is true. Android can not do music at all. There is this horrible and disgusting latency which exists in Android, making it totally unusable for musical purposes.

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