It sure took them a long time to come up with their own copy based on the revolutionary iPhone. The iPhone was released in 2007 and here we are in 2013, and they are presenting their touch screen based phone.
(...)
Just who is their target audience?
Wait wait wait.
1- there were touch based phones before
2- Apple's iPhone is not that revolutionary (see OpenMoko). What is revolutionary is the ease of use and tight integration within the Apple ecosystem, topped off with awesome build quality
3- are you seriously arguing that Apple should be the only company allowed to do touch based phones?
4- I agree with the last sentence. Blackberrim doesn't know what to sell to whom. Their attempts to reach to developers have been pathetic at best, and while their new phone does look somehow professional, I'm afraid that the lack of focus will kill it before it can capitalize on the enterprise
5- Businesses have undergone "BYOD" transformations since the iPhone, and hat's something Blackberry won't be able to deal with imho, as they rely on two things: companies issuing their devices to employees, and some people seeing their device as a "I'm a pro" status symbol. BB means "I'm a dinosaur", right now, and "I'm an out of touch pro" sucks for a touch-phone.
2- Apple's iPhone is not that revolutionary (see OpenMoko). What is revolutionary is the ease of use and tight integration within the Apple ecosystem, topped off with awesome build quality
3- are you seriously arguing that Apple should be the only company allowed to do touch based phones?
4- I agree with the last sentence. Blackberrim doesn't know what to sell to whom. Their attempts to reach to developers have been pathetic at best, and while their new phone does look somehow professional, I'm afraid that the lack of focus will kill it before it can capitalize on the enterprise
5- Businesses have undergone "BYOD" transformations since the iPhone, and hat's something Blackberry won't be able to deal with imho, as they rely on two things: companies issuing their devices to employees, and some people seeing their device as a "I'm a pro" status symbol. BB means "I'm a dinosaur", right now, and "I'm an out of touch pro" sucks for a touch-phone.
1. Maybe there were, but they sure didn't work like an iPhone did, with the multi touch interface.
3. No, I am merely saying that Apple paved the way for everybody else, and changed the entire industry. Apple is like Classic Coke and everybody else is coming out with their own attempts at it, which reminds me of Key Food Cola. I never buy Key Food Cola, no matter how cheap it is.
Is anyone collecting all the "eat crow" references already? I'll start with the first one:
One of RIM's 17 CEOs upon the introduction of the iPhone: "Users need a physical keyboard. A virtual keyboard sucks ass. This iPhone? What a f-ing joke. It'll last 3 weeks. The BlackBerry is king and will whip its ass."
Today: "eschews a physical keyboard."
One serving of crow delivered.
Unlike Microsoft, Blackberry (RIM) got rid of the dead wood at the top and then reinvented its lineup.
Mike Dell is taking a different approach... using some of his own money to help take his company private.
I like what I saw. but... remember Palm?! They used to have something good as well and that didn't work. Apple and Samsung are eating the market. Even poor little Microsoft couldn't compete. My only hope that if someone buys BlackBerry let it not be HP!!
I do hope that Blackberry (yes, thats the new company name now) is able to at least survive, sao this looks like a very solid effort. It would make things more interesting for sure. I just have a feeling it will have a very uphill battle, when competing with the financial warchest and ecosystem headstart of the other players. I'm Canadian, so I want them to succeed, and its clear they've been humbled by the last few years and are putting a serious effort into making a good product and platform. The way things are shaping up now, it's basically iOS vs the garbage that is Touchwiz, and I'd take this over touchwiz anyday.
New adventures in shark jumping. Who was the genius who thought this would be an enterprise pleasing addition?
It would have more sense to get Chuck Berry… or maybe not because that's what BB users have been doing for the past 6 years, chucking their blackberries.
So that's it? Game Over? There was a article in Yahoo yesterday where there's a markedly switch from the iPhone in Hong Kong and Singapore. Companies that once revered BBs will take these into consideration and many will switch back.
It would have more sense to get Chuck Berry… or maybe not because that's what BB users have been doing for the past 6 years, chucking their blackberries.
I think this looks really good. I agree it will not make too many heavily-invested people and companies switch from iPhone ... But the good news here for iOS users is this will impel Apple to stay on its toes and introduce new features that make sense. The screen sharing is great, so are some of the UI features. Come on guys, competition is good!
Not a bad looking OS. Reminds me a bit of WebOS which really was a very easy and fun to use OS. It will have a similar hurdle. WebOS primarily failed due to lack of apps compared to iOS and Android. There were other problems especially in terms of inferior hardware as well, but it was really a very good OS. Blackberry already has far more apps than WebOS ever had but still a pittance compared to iOS or Android.
Assuming their phones are competitive in terms of hardware specs, I can see Blackberry leapfrogging Windows and staying a solid 3rd place for a while if they can work with app developers to bring more titles to their platform. They don't need 1M apps, just a few thousand at first of the most popular ones for the other platforms. There are a lot of former Blackberry users nostalgic to return to the fold and just waiting for an excuse to do so. This could be it.
New adventures in shark jumping. Who was the genius who thought this would be an enterprise pleasing addition?
Almost as bad as whats-her-face at the Windows 8 keynote, this celebrity schtick is so cynical and insulting. I'm glad Apple doesn't enagage in this kind of bullshit (in large part) at their keynotes.
1- there were touch based phones before
2- Apple's iPhone is not that revolutionary (see OpenMoko). What is revolutionary is the ease of use and tight integration within the Apple ecosystem, topped off with awesome build quality
1. The corpses of Palm / Handspring / Windows Mobile nods in agreement.
2. You mean "original", not "revolutionary." The iPhone did spark a revolution in what the public expected from their smartphones, and that in turn put companies that adapted quickly (Samsung) ahead of companies that did not (Nokia, RIM). Since 2007, the marketshare numbers for smartphones flipped from the old guard (Palm, Nokia, RIM) to the new (Apple, Samsung).
Different form factors, slick features, secure communication, business customers will eat this up. Predicting a big gain of market share assuming they don't overprice their services.
Unlike many of the posters on the thread (whether pro- or anti- BB) you get that from the company's POV the device is just an arrow, while the philosophy of the OS and underlying infrastructure is more about the target, i.e.., the Enterprise....
There are plenty of NODS to the consumer, but more because RIM (there go a lot of bad sex puns) Blackberry wants their business users to only need one phone they'll still find meeting their non-business needs. Any "consumer Consumers" who buy will simply be a bonus, at least in this latest "bet the company" operation.
Not saying it's all gonna work out for 'em, but think they have a fighting shot at their niche. There's obviously been a whole lot of not only re-thinking going on at our neighbor up north, but a fair amount of new thinking about a paradigm for a modern smart phone designed ground up for large biz. And I think they've a shot here.
In fact, I'm more than a little surprised, given their flailing about wildly and badly since the iPhone's released. A much better effort than all of those put together and then some.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
I do hope that Blackberry (yes, thats the new company name now) is able to at least survive, sao this looks like a very solid effort. It would make things more interesting for sure. I just have a feeling it will have a very uphill battle, when competing with the financial warchest and ecosystem headstart of the other players. I'm Canadian, so I want them to succeed, and its clear they've been humbled by the last few years and are putting a serious effort into making a good product and platform. The way things are shaping up now, it's basically iOS vs the garbage that is Touchwiz, and I'd take this over touchwiz anyday.
I won't say "fear not," but my decades of watching the digital revolution tell me they've done about the best job of differentiating themselves from what's already out there that has a chance of locking in a solid niche. And Canada's cool by me. And cold, so this wave's from a distance. But hope of a viable Canuck phone maker lives as of today....
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Originally Posted by tylerk36
Watched the video and drifted off. Hm.
And you, sir, are (I'm guessing) not an IT manager, then?? So that special app store section specializing in things like Fedex shipping management or CRM is likely not your cup of tea. But it is an important customer group's meat and taters.
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Originally Posted by dcolley
Greatest iPhone rip off of all time RIM must have hired some Samsung Engineers
There are certainly some nods to the iP5's form factor, but the OS, UI and management features are very much BB's own take. The ability to accomplish business tasks is this phone's "Job One" and raison d'etre. Take BB Balance, where the biz and downtime functions of the phone are isolated from each other, and IT is given a window into the business side as one example.
I've also read there's some back end software that will allow shops to manage BB's, iP's and Droids in concert.
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Originally Posted by lightknight
4- I agree with the last sentence. Blackberrim doesn't know what to sell to whom. Their attempts to reach to developers have been pathetic at best, and while their new phone does look somehow professional, I'm afraid that the lack of focus will kill it before it can capitalize on the enterprise
5- Businesses have undergone "BYOD" transformations since the iPhone, and hat's something Blackberry won't be able to deal with imho, as they rely on two things: companies issuing their devices to employees, and some people seeing their device as a "I'm a pro" status symbol. BB means "I'm a dinosaur", right now, and "I'm an out of touch pro" sucks for a touch-phone.
Seems I remember reading they've promised 70,000 apps. And a richly-stocked selection of media, with (I heard) possibly a free music service and video deals inked with all or nearly all the big vid content kings. If that's mostly true (even if most are not consumer-facing, though they've promised a lot of the standard couch surfing stuff), way ahead of Win Phone 8 out of the box.
They've specifically also addressed ways of managing both phones from the companies and BB's people bring in from home, though there will certainly be more of the former than the latter at and for a time after launch. Not hopeless.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
France is not exactly the center of the universe.
Shhhhh.... ....don't tell 'em!! The "Force d'Frappe" still exists.... (Bonus points for any Cold War fans out there who catch the ref)
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Originally Posted by gwmac
Not a bad looking OS. Reminds me a bit of WebOS which really was a very easy and fun to use OS. It will have a similar hurdle. WebOS primarily failed due to lack of apps compared to iOS and Android. There were other problems especially in terms of inferior hardware as well, but it was really a very good OS. Blackberry already has far more apps than WebOS ever had but still a pittance compared to iOS or Android.
Assuming their phones are competitive in terms of hardware specs, I can see Blackberry leapfrogging Windows and staying a solid 3rd place for a while if they can work with app developers to bring more titles to their platform. They don't need 1M apps, just a few thousand at first of the most popular ones for the other platforms. There are a lot of former Blackberry users nostalgic to return to the fold and just waiting for an excuse to do so. This could be it.
The WebOS phones, while very cool in concept were mis-managed from bill of materials to marketing to apps from day one. This, as noted, feels different.
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Originally Posted by cmvsm
DOA
If I were Jon Gruber, I'd file this post under "Claim Chowder" and throw it back atcha' a year from now if it's not....
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Originally Posted by Fotoformat
Bien sûr... and for French users it will be configured as an "AZERTY" keyboard.
You have to love how "standard" is somehow synonymous with "north-american".
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
...that whole Alicia Keys
New adventures in shark jumping. Who was the genius who thought this would be an enterprise pleasing addition?
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
It sure took them a long time to come up with their own copy based on the revolutionary iPhone. The iPhone was released in 2007 and here we are in 2013, and they are presenting their touch screen based phone.
(...)
Just who is their target audience?
Wait wait wait.
1- there were touch based phones before
2- Apple's iPhone is not that revolutionary (see OpenMoko). What is revolutionary is the ease of use and tight integration within the Apple ecosystem, topped off with awesome build quality
3- are you seriously arguing that Apple should be the only company allowed to do touch based phones?
4- I agree with the last sentence. Blackberrim doesn't know what to sell to whom. Their attempts to reach to developers have been pathetic at best, and while their new phone does look somehow professional, I'm afraid that the lack of focus will kill it before it can capitalize on the enterprise
5- Businesses have undergone "BYOD" transformations since the iPhone, and hat's something Blackberry won't be able to deal with imho, as they rely on two things: companies issuing their devices to employees, and some people seeing their device as a "I'm a pro" status symbol. BB means "I'm a dinosaur", right now, and "I'm an out of touch pro" sucks for a touch-phone.
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Originally Posted by lightknight
Wait wait wait.
1- there were touch based phones before
2- Apple's iPhone is not that revolutionary (see OpenMoko). What is revolutionary is the ease of use and tight integration within the Apple ecosystem, topped off with awesome build quality
3- are you seriously arguing that Apple should be the only company allowed to do touch based phones?
4- I agree with the last sentence. Blackberrim doesn't know what to sell to whom. Their attempts to reach to developers have been pathetic at best, and while their new phone does look somehow professional, I'm afraid that the lack of focus will kill it before it can capitalize on the enterprise
5- Businesses have undergone "BYOD" transformations since the iPhone, and hat's something Blackberry won't be able to deal with imho, as they rely on two things: companies issuing their devices to employees, and some people seeing their device as a "I'm a pro" status symbol. BB means "I'm a dinosaur", right now, and "I'm an out of touch pro" sucks for a touch-phone.
1. Maybe there were, but they sure didn't work like an iPhone did, with the multi touch interface.
3. No, I am merely saying that Apple paved the way for everybody else, and changed the entire industry. Apple is like Classic Coke and everybody else is coming out with their own attempts at it, which reminds me of Key Food Cola. I never buy Key Food Cola, no matter how cheap it is.
4. I agree.
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Originally Posted by macinthe408
Is anyone collecting all the "eat crow" references already? I'll start with the first one:
One of RIM's 17 CEOs upon the introduction of the iPhone: "Users need a physical keyboard. A virtual keyboard sucks ass. This iPhone? What a f-ing joke. It'll last 3 weeks. The BlackBerry is king and will whip its ass."
Today: "eschews a physical keyboard."
One serving of crow delivered.
Unlike Microsoft, Blackberry (RIM) got rid of the dead wood at the top and then reinvented its lineup.
Mike Dell is taking a different approach... using some of his own money to help take his company private.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lightknight
You have to love how "standard" is somehow synonymous with "north-american".
France is not exactly the center of the universe.
I like what I saw. but... remember Palm?! They used to have something good as well and that didn't work. Apple and Samsung are eating the market. Even poor little Microsoft couldn't compete. My only hope that if someone buys BlackBerry let it not be HP!!
I do hope that Blackberry (yes, thats the new company name now) is able to at least survive, sao this looks like a very solid effort. It would make things more interesting for sure. I just have a feeling it will have a very uphill battle, when competing with the financial warchest and ecosystem headstart of the other players. I'm Canadian, so I want them to succeed, and its clear they've been humbled by the last few years and are putting a serious effort into making a good product and platform. The way things are shaping up now, it's basically iOS vs the garbage that is Touchwiz, and I'd take this over touchwiz anyday.
It would have more sense to get Chuck Berry… or maybe not because that's what BB users have been doing for the past 6 years, chucking their blackberries.
So that's it? Game Over? There was a article in Yahoo yesterday where there's a markedly switch from the iPhone in Hong Kong and Singapore. Companies that once revered BBs will take these into consideration and many will switch back.
HA!!! You're all jokes today.
Not a bad looking OS. Reminds me a bit of WebOS which really was a very easy and fun to use OS. It will have a similar hurdle. WebOS primarily failed due to lack of apps compared to iOS and Android. There were other problems especially in terms of inferior hardware as well, but it was really a very good OS. Blackberry already has far more apps than WebOS ever had but still a pittance compared to iOS or Android.
Assuming their phones are competitive in terms of hardware specs, I can see Blackberry leapfrogging Windows and staying a solid 3rd place for a while if they can work with app developers to bring more titles to their platform. They don't need 1M apps, just a few thousand at first of the most popular ones for the other platforms. There are a lot of former Blackberry users nostalgic to return to the fold and just waiting for an excuse to do so. This could be it.
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Originally Posted by JollyPaul
New adventures in shark jumping. Who was the genius who thought this would be an enterprise pleasing addition?
Almost as bad as whats-her-face at the Windows 8 keynote, this celebrity schtick is so cynical and insulting. I'm glad Apple doesn't enagage in this kind of bullshit (in large part) at their keynotes.
[/VIDEO]
Which is why they're not in Samsung's position. They're at the edge of the precipice, holding Nokia's hand tightly, wondering what happened.
1. The corpses of Palm / Handspring / Windows Mobile nods in agreement.
2. You mean "original", not "revolutionary." The iPhone did spark a revolution in what the public expected from their smartphones, and that in turn put companies that adapted quickly (Samsung) ahead of companies that did not (Nokia, RIM). Since 2007, the marketshare numbers for smartphones flipped from the old guard (Palm, Nokia, RIM) to the new (Apple, Samsung).
LISTEN TO THE VIDEO in the article. All the way through.
Priceless:
http://macdailynews.com/2013/01/30/how-to-dodge-interview-questions-about-apples-iphone-rim-style/
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Originally Posted by mrmantle
Different form factors, slick features, secure communication, business customers will eat this up. Predicting a big gain of market share assuming they don't overprice their services.
Unlike many of the posters on the thread (whether pro- or anti- BB) you get that from the company's POV the device is just an arrow, while the philosophy of the OS and underlying infrastructure is more about the target, i.e.., the Enterprise....
There are plenty of NODS to the consumer, but more because RIM (there go a lot of bad sex puns) Blackberry wants their business users to only need one phone they'll still find meeting their non-business needs. Any "consumer Consumers" who buy will simply be a bonus, at least in this latest "bet the company" operation.
Not saying it's all gonna work out for 'em, but think they have a fighting shot at their niche. There's obviously been a whole lot of not only re-thinking going on at our neighbor up north, but a fair amount of new thinking about a paradigm for a modern smart phone designed ground up for large biz. And I think they've a shot here.
In fact, I'm more than a little surprised, given their flailing about wildly and badly since the iPhone's released. A much better effort than all of those put together and then some.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
I do hope that Blackberry (yes, thats the new company name now) is able to at least survive, sao this looks like a very solid effort. It would make things more interesting for sure. I just have a feeling it will have a very uphill battle, when competing with the financial warchest and ecosystem headstart of the other players. I'm Canadian, so I want them to succeed, and its clear they've been humbled by the last few years and are putting a serious effort into making a good product and platform. The way things are shaping up now, it's basically iOS vs the garbage that is Touchwiz, and I'd take this over touchwiz anyday.
I won't say "fear not," but my decades of watching the digital revolution tell me they've done about the best job of differentiating themselves from what's already out there that has a chance of locking in a solid niche. And Canada's cool by me. And cold, so this wave's from a distance. But hope of a viable Canuck phone maker lives as of today....
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Originally Posted by tylerk36
Watched the video and drifted off. Hm.
And you, sir, are (I'm guessing) not an IT manager, then?? So that special app store section specializing in things like Fedex shipping management or CRM is likely not your cup of tea. But it is an important customer group's meat and taters.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcolley
Greatest iPhone rip off of all time RIM must have hired some Samsung Engineers
There are certainly some nods to the iP5's form factor, but the OS, UI and management features are very much BB's own take. The ability to accomplish business tasks is this phone's "Job One" and raison d'etre. Take BB Balance, where the biz and downtime functions of the phone are isolated from each other, and IT is given a window into the business side as one example.
I've also read there's some back end software that will allow shops to manage BB's, iP's and Droids in concert.
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Originally Posted by lightknight
4- I agree with the last sentence. Blackberrim doesn't know what to sell to whom. Their attempts to reach to developers have been pathetic at best, and while their new phone does look somehow professional, I'm afraid that the lack of focus will kill it before it can capitalize on the enterprise
5- Businesses have undergone "BYOD" transformations since the iPhone, and hat's something Blackberry won't be able to deal with imho, as they rely on two things: companies issuing their devices to employees, and some people seeing their device as a "I'm a pro" status symbol. BB means "I'm a dinosaur", right now, and "I'm an out of touch pro" sucks for a touch-phone.
Seems I remember reading they've promised 70,000 apps. And a richly-stocked selection of media, with (I heard) possibly a free music service and video deals inked with all or nearly all the big vid content kings. If that's mostly true (even if most are not consumer-facing, though they've promised a lot of the standard couch surfing stuff), way ahead of Win Phone 8 out of the box.
They've specifically also addressed ways of managing both phones from the companies and BB's people bring in from home, though there will certainly be more of the former than the latter at and for a time after launch. Not hopeless.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple ][
France is not exactly the center of the universe.
Shhhhh.... ....don't tell 'em!! The "Force d'Frappe" still exists.... (Bonus points for any Cold War fans out there who catch the ref)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwmac
Not a bad looking OS. Reminds me a bit of WebOS which really was a very easy and fun to use OS. It will have a similar hurdle. WebOS primarily failed due to lack of apps compared to iOS and Android. There were other problems especially in terms of inferior hardware as well, but it was really a very good OS. Blackberry already has far more apps than WebOS ever had but still a pittance compared to iOS or Android.
Assuming their phones are competitive in terms of hardware specs, I can see Blackberry leapfrogging Windows and staying a solid 3rd place for a while if they can work with app developers to bring more titles to their platform. They don't need 1M apps, just a few thousand at first of the most popular ones for the other platforms. There are a lot of former Blackberry users nostalgic to return to the fold and just waiting for an excuse to do so. This could be it.
The WebOS phones, while very cool in concept were mis-managed from bill of materials to marketing to apps from day one. This, as noted, feels different.
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Originally Posted by cmvsm
DOA
If I were Jon Gruber, I'd file this post under "Claim Chowder" and throw it back atcha' a year from now if it's not....