Coming from a MBP that is a couple of years back you are in for a royal treat, indeed.
I'm just moving up from a 2011 iMac, so the difference probably won't be so dramatic, except for the screen, of course. I am hoping that there will be a good boost to rendering power; my new 20112 Mac mini rivals the 2011 iMac despite being very different in specs. As the 2012 iMac is new architecture, it could show a good speed boost.
I have a FW800 drive serving as a Time Machine disk. The new iMac doesn't have FW800 so I will be using an adapter. It will be interesting to see if it will work chained to my other TB disks or if I will have to connect it directly to a TB port...
I imagine so. Almost 4x as many pixels and over 4.25x the display area should make using Xcode much easier, not to mention all the performance improvements over a 2010 13" MBP. My last excuse for not buckling down and creating an app will be removed. I have 11 ideas for Mac and iOS apps written down in detail but no ability to code them. This is my version of being Helen Keller except in my case it's one aspect of expression and laziness that is preventing me from doing it.
It's funny how they happens, isn't it? Hubs and such.
Sadly, I can't follow my order as I didn't place it with Apple. For all I know it's still at the North Pole being painted by elves.
Will try asking my shop today, but I think their system only shows status, not location as they aren't as crazy as we are.
I'm not too keen on tracking my package (although I did look up the distance difference between my location as compared to how the crow flies for Anchorage and Memphis but I catalog that under geography) but I have the Delivery Status widget on my Dashboard that does a periodic check and will send a notification if something changes.
My last order update was premature. They said another order went straight to preparing for shipment on the 30th; I thought that was mine.
My order was in Processing on January 29 or 30.
It changed to preparing for shipment on February 1st. According to the shop tonight, this means it will ship Monday or Tuesday (usually) and should arrive Friday Feb 9 or thereabouts.
Ugh and good. Finally I have a a rough timetable.
This was not the smoothest of rollouts, nor the fairest.
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
That is not good. They are supposed to be the best in this / the field, but a rollout like this stands out. And not in a good way, obviously. Also goes for first come, first served. That even seems odd to have happened at all. Well, at least Solipsism got his notification after you, so that was fair.
Ok, so, about a week. Well, I'd prepare my current Mac; clean out old junk, tidy stuff up in the finder and such. Enjoy it when you have it booting up. Nee, before: The Unpacking Experience!
Perhaps the people who received their shipment before yours had a configuration that Apple was able to build more quickly than yours? For example, let's say Apple had a problem procuring 3TB HDD's. Everyone who ordered the 3TB fusion drive would have their shipment delayed and people who ordered the 1Tb fusion drive would be ready to ship immediately. You think Apple is going to sit there and wait for the 3TB fusion drives to arrive so that they can deliver to the people who ordered beforehand so they can be "fair" about the delivery process?
Apple has the most efficient supply chain system in the world but Tim Cook can only do so much. He can set up the system to be the most efficient but it's up to manufacturers to execute. You may have the best basketball coach in the world, but he can only put the players in the best position to win. It doesn't mean he's going to win, it just means he's the best at putting people in situations to succeed. At the end of the day, it's up to the players to execute. I'm guessing in this case, the players failed to execute some friction welding to the screens which caused delay. Blame the players, not the coach or organization.
Perhaps the people who received their shipment before yours had a configuration that Apple was able to build more quickly than yours? For example, let's say Apple had a problem procuring 3TB HDD's. Everyone who ordered the 3TB fusion drive would have their shipment delayed and people who ordered the 1Tb fusion drive would be ready to ship immediately. You think Apple is going to sit there and wait for the 3TB fusion drives to arrive so that they can deliver to the people who ordered beforehand so they can be "fair" about the delivery process?
Something along those lines has certainly happened in the past couple years. I think it was BTO models with certain capacity SSD cards in a Mac notebook or perhaps the SSD+HDD setup (pre-Fusion Drive) in a previous iMac. Regardless, you'd choose that BTO option and your time to ship would increase with that option.
In this case it appears that it's because he's using a 3rd party retailer instead of going directly through Apple. He's supporting local vendors which is admirable but that does come with the possibility of not getting serviced as quickly as going direct.
My order is a 27" high-end default build with the only BTO option being the 3.1TiB Fusion Drive.
To cover all bases both of us did have word about our orders processing about the same time despite my order being placed nearly 6 weeks after his. This could be a coincidence or it could be a result of what you stated and they now have enough supply of a component we both use to fulfill both our orders. That said, I would bet against that as this is falling well within my promised delivery time.
Perhaps the people who received their shipment before yours had a configuration that Apple was able to build more quickly than yours? For example, let's say Apple had a problem procuring 3TB HDD's. Everyone who ordered the 3TB fusion drive would have their shipment delayed and people who ordered the 1Tb fusion drive would be ready to ship immediately. You think Apple is going to sit there and wait for the 3TB fusion drives to arrive so that they can deliver to the people who ordered beforehand so they can be "fair" about the delivery process?
Apple has the most efficient supply chain system in the world but Tim Cook can only do so much. He can set up the system to be the most efficient but it's up to manufacturers to execute. You may have the best basketball coach in the world, but he can only put the players in the best position to win. It doesn't mean he's going to win, it just means he's the best at putting people in situations to succeed. At the end of the day, it's up to the players to execute. I'm guessing in this case, the players failed to execute some friction welding to the screens which caused delay. Blame the players, not the coach or organization.
Did you read what I posted? I saw online people with the exact same configuration receiving theirs. I like Apple as much as anybody, but they didn't do this rollout as well as they could have. Whatever the hiccup was (or hiccups were), I hope they get it sorted out before the next launch.
Shipped today and the shop said "by Monday", with Friday looking good. Two days to ship within Japan, so it depend on customs.
There was another customer there collecting his 27", 3.4GHz, standard RAM, 1TB Fusion. Ordered three days after I did, so way back on November 3rd or 4th. The shop said they had "heard" that the 3TB configuration was causing delays, but I've seen lots of 3TBs delivered already...
Now I can try to find a buyer for my old iMac... missed one guy by ten days.
Just got word it's at my local FedEx facility. Not sure if that means it'll be delivered today but delivery tomorrow, 3 days ahead of the earliest stated time, seems more likely than them holding it until Wed.
Just got word it's at my local FedEx facility. Not sure if that means it'll be delivered today but delivery tomorrow, 3 days ahead of the earliest stated time, seems more likely than them holding it until Wed.
Taking a day off to be at home for this, I presume? I would - this is big. Going from a 13" to a 27" you are going to love the 'real estate'. It will make your whole computing workflow different when behind the iMac (3 Word documents side by side...if you use Word lol)
One word of advise: boot it up 'as is' and not upgrade the RAM just yet. If there's anything wrong from either supplier it is so much easier to determine which one. (not to spook you out, meant as friendly advise)
Taking a day off to be at home for this, I presume? I would - this is big. Going from a 13" to a 27" you are going to love the 'real estate'. It will make your whole computing workflow different when behind the iMac (3 Word documents side by side...if you use Word lol)
One word of advise: boot it up 'as is' and not upgrade the RAM just yet. If there's anything wrong from either supplier it is so much easier to determine which one. (not to spook you out, meant as friendly advise)
My plan is to benchmark it before and after it gets used. I also want to see how the different RAM latencies affect overall benchmark performance. Any suggestions besides Xbench?
My plan is to benchmark it before and after it gets used. I also want to see how the different RAM latencies affect overall benchmark performance. Any suggestions besides Xbench?
Sorry, no. I just read upon all there is to when purchasing something and then go for the most expensive option because that usually is the best. Well, not literally, and it has to be somewhere within my range.
I would run a RAM eating application as a test, something like Photoshop or Parallels. Just to see if something it faster than before an upgrade. Totally unscientific, but real world experience goes a long way.
I would run a RAM eating application as a test, something like Photoshop or Parallels. Just to see if something it faster than before an upgrade. Totally unscientific, but real world experience goes a long way.
As long as you follow the scientific method it's valid. A large enough test can tested with a stop watch by hand that can be accurate within a second. AnandTech uses this method all the time.
If it turns out not to improve the performance in any meaningful way I might just return my CAS 9 RAM to Newegg. It does cost nearly 3x as much as the CAS 11 RAM of the same speed and size.
As long as you follow the scientific method it's valid. A large enough test can tested with a stop watch by hand that can be accurate within a second. AnandTech uses this method all the time.
A valid thing to say. Though I must say I never actually believed a test would be accurate if a stopwatch is used. Won't make a whole second difference, but many millieseconds? Easily, from just pressing the stopwatch. I've tried to time something with my iPhone build in app, but came to the conclusion it would never be accurate. Obviously it could be if I hit the start and stop button with the same offset.
If it turns out not to improve the performance in any meaningful way I might just return my CAS 9 RAM to Newegg. It does cost nearly 3x as much as the CAS 11 RAM of the same speed and size.
Hmm, that is a price difference. Not the world, but still.
A valid thing to say. Though I must say I never actually believed a test would be accurate if a stopwatch is used. Won't make a whole second difference, but many millieseconds? Easily, from just pressing the stopwatch. I've tried to time something with my iPhone build in app, but came to the conclusion it would never be accurate. Obviously it could be if I hit the start and stop button with the same offset.
Hmm, that is a price difference. Not the world, but still.
Yeah, I'll use the AHT (Apple Hardware Test) for the RAM. Use it for all new RAM. I recommend everyone do this as RAM that appears to be working fine may not be fine. Better to know sooner rather than later.
Exited you should be. Humble, you already showed that earlier.
lol I am anything but humble, but I do have a strong desire for wanting to things to be fair, even-handed and unbiased, which may or may not balance out my lack of diffidence.
First round of test with the standard 8GB ran have been run. Have installed the 3rd-party RAM with the lower latency and running the AHT on it to see if it passes. Will run the rest of the tests and post any relevant info in a few hours.
I will say that the access bay for the 27" iMac is very slick. The nicely system I've ever seen on a PC. Unfortunately I would be unable to explain well but I will say that I wouldn't mind walking the most techtarded person through a RAM upgrade over the phone.
I also noticed there is a Kensington lock port on the back below the power adaptor plug. I thought I was going to have to loop a bike lock through the hole in the back.
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I imagine so. Almost 4x as many pixels and over 4.25x the display area should make using Xcode much easier, not to mention all the performance improvements over a 2010 13" MBP. My last excuse for not buckling down and creating an app will be removed. I have 11 ideas for Mac and iOS apps written down in detail but no ability to code them. This is my version of being Helen Keller except in my case it's one aspect of expression and laziness that is preventing me from doing it.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Memphis, TN which is only slightly closer to me than Anchorage, AK.
It's funny how they happens, isn't it? Hubs and such.
Sadly, I can't follow my order as I didn't place it with Apple. For all I know it's still at the North Pole being painted by elves.
Will try asking my shop today, but I think their system only shows status, not location as they aren't as crazy as we are.
I'm not too keen on tracking my package (although I did look up the distance difference between my location as compared to how the crow flies for Anchorage and Memphis but I catalog that under geography) but I have the Delivery Status widget on my Dashboard that does a periodic check and will send a notification if something changes.
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Originally Posted by Bergermeister
My last order update was premature. They said another order went straight to preparing for shipment on the 30th; I thought that was mine.
My order was in Processing on January 29 or 30.
It changed to preparing for shipment on February 1st. According to the shop tonight, this means it will ship Monday or Tuesday (usually) and should arrive Friday Feb 9 or thereabouts.
Ugh and good. Finally I have a a rough timetable.
This was not the smoothest of rollouts, nor the fairest.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
That is not good. They are supposed to be the best in this / the field, but a rollout like this stands out. And not in a good way, obviously. Also goes for first come, first served. That even seems odd to have happened at all. Well, at least Solipsism got his notification after you, so that was fair.
Ok, so, about a week. Well, I'd prepare my current Mac; clean out old junk, tidy stuff up in the finder and such. Enjoy it when you have it booting up. Nee, before: The Unpacking Experience!
Perhaps the people who received their shipment before yours had a configuration that Apple was able to build more quickly than yours? For example, let's say Apple had a problem procuring 3TB HDD's. Everyone who ordered the 3TB fusion drive would have their shipment delayed and people who ordered the 1Tb fusion drive would be ready to ship immediately. You think Apple is going to sit there and wait for the 3TB fusion drives to arrive so that they can deliver to the people who ordered beforehand so they can be "fair" about the delivery process?
Apple has the most efficient supply chain system in the world but Tim Cook can only do so much. He can set up the system to be the most efficient but it's up to manufacturers to execute. You may have the best basketball coach in the world, but he can only put the players in the best position to win. It doesn't mean he's going to win, it just means he's the best at putting people in situations to succeed. At the end of the day, it's up to the players to execute. I'm guessing in this case, the players failed to execute some friction welding to the screens which caused delay. Blame the players, not the coach or organization.
Something along those lines has certainly happened in the past couple years. I think it was BTO models with certain capacity SSD cards in a Mac notebook or perhaps the SSD+HDD setup (pre-Fusion Drive) in a previous iMac. Regardless, you'd choose that BTO option and your time to ship would increase with that option.
In this case it appears that it's because he's using a 3rd party retailer instead of going directly through Apple. He's supporting local vendors which is admirable but that does come with the possibility of not getting serviced as quickly as going direct.
My order is a 27" high-end default build with the only BTO option being the 3.1TiB Fusion Drive.
To cover all bases both of us did have word about our orders processing about the same time despite my order being placed nearly 6 weeks after his. This could be a coincidence or it could be a result of what you stated and they now have enough supply of a component we both use to fulfill both our orders. That said, I would bet against that as this is falling well within my promised delivery time.
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Originally Posted by White Lotus
Perhaps the people who received their shipment before yours had a configuration that Apple was able to build more quickly than yours? For example, let's say Apple had a problem procuring 3TB HDD's. Everyone who ordered the 3TB fusion drive would have their shipment delayed and people who ordered the 1Tb fusion drive would be ready to ship immediately. You think Apple is going to sit there and wait for the 3TB fusion drives to arrive so that they can deliver to the people who ordered beforehand so they can be "fair" about the delivery process?
Apple has the most efficient supply chain system in the world but Tim Cook can only do so much. He can set up the system to be the most efficient but it's up to manufacturers to execute. You may have the best basketball coach in the world, but he can only put the players in the best position to win. It doesn't mean he's going to win, it just means he's the best at putting people in situations to succeed. At the end of the day, it's up to the players to execute. I'm guessing in this case, the players failed to execute some friction welding to the screens which caused delay. Blame the players, not the coach or organization.
Did you read what I posted? I saw online people with the exact same configuration receiving theirs. I like Apple as much as anybody, but they didn't do this rollout as well as they could have. Whatever the hiccup was (or hiccups were), I hope they get it sorted out before the next launch.
It has shipped. FINALLY!!!
Shipped today and the shop said "by Monday", with Friday looking good. Two days to ship within Japan, so it depend on customs.
There was another customer there collecting his 27", 3.4GHz, standard RAM, 1TB Fusion. Ordered three days after I did, so way back on November 3rd or 4th. The shop said they had "heard" that the 3TB configuration was causing delays, but I've seen lots of 3TBs delivered already...
Now I can try to find a buyer for my old iMac... missed one guy by ten days.
Taking a day off to be at home for this, I presume? I would - this is big. Going from a 13" to a 27" you are going to love the 'real estate'. It will make your whole computing workflow different when behind the iMac (3 Word documents side by side...if you use Word lol)
One word of advise: boot it up 'as is' and not upgrade the RAM just yet. If there's anything wrong from either supplier it is so much easier to determine which one. (not to spook you out, meant as friendly advise)
My plan is to benchmark it before and after it gets used. I also want to see how the different RAM latencies affect overall benchmark performance. Any suggestions besides Xbench?
Sorry, no. I just read upon all there is to when purchasing something and then go for the most expensive option because that usually is the best. Well, not literally, and it has to be somewhere within my range.
I would run a RAM eating application as a test, something like Photoshop or Parallels. Just to see if something it faster than before an upgrade. Totally unscientific, but real world experience goes a long way.
As long as you follow the scientific method it's valid. A large enough test can tested with a stop watch by hand that can be accurate within a second. AnandTech uses this method all the time.
If it turns out not to improve the performance in any meaningful way I might just return my CAS 9 RAM to Newegg. It does cost nearly 3x as much as the CAS 11 RAM of the same speed and size.
A valid thing to say. Though I must say I never actually believed a test would be accurate if a stopwatch is used. Won't make a whole second difference, but many millieseconds? Easily, from just pressing the stopwatch. I've tried to time something with my iPhone build in app, but came to the conclusion it would never be accurate. Obviously it could be if I hit the start and stop button with the same offset.
Hmm, that is a price difference. Not the world, but still.
edit: did bump across these 3:
Yeah, I'll use the AHT (Apple Hardware Test) for the RAM. Use it for all new RAM. I recommend everyone do this as RAM that appears to be working fine may not be fine. Better to know sooner rather than later.
Exited you should be. Humble, you already showed that earlier.
lol I am anything but humble, but I do have a strong desire for wanting to things to be fair, even-handed and unbiased, which may or may not balance out my lack of diffidence.
I will say that the access bay for the 27" iMac is very slick. The nicely system I've ever seen on a PC. Unfortunately I would be unable to explain well but I will say that I wouldn't mind walking the most techtarded person through a RAM upgrade over the phone.
I also noticed there is a Kensington lock port on the back below the power adaptor plug. I thought I was going to have to loop a bike lock through the hole in the back.