It is, however, disgusting that every time Apple does something, the entire industry scrambles to make exact copies.
There isn't really anything to copy unless you count rumors. You probably read more about Apple than other brands, so you're more likely to be exposed to rumors regarding Apple's projects than anything else. You have no idea what companies may concurrently have in their own respective pipelines. Even with something like the ultrabooks, intel wouldn't concentrate on low power chips without a large enough market or potential market for a company the size of intel. You are just a very spiteful person.
The set-top box itself is also said to have an integrated camera, allowing for gesture-based controls as well as targeting ads directly toward users based on what the camera "sees" in the room.
And what has Apple done that everyone is scrambling to copy? Roku was out way before ATV and as a standalone device it is far superior.
1) The Apple TV beat Roku to market by more than a year.
2) With the standalone device qualifier I agree with you but I don't agree with any implication that a standalone device is better. I love technology for it's ability to eschew old tech and absorb new tech. In no small part this is what makes Apple's product such a treat for me.
Netflix has it right when it comes to online TV. Any device. Anywhere. Anytime. Fixed price. And the Netflix exclusive content is slowly getting better.
I don't see anybody offering anything similar yet. Paying for TV shows is pointless. Costs are too high. And the bill is highly variable.
1) The Apple TV beat Roku to market by more than a year.
2) With the standalone device qualifier I agree with you but I don't agree with any implication that a standalone device is better. I love technology for it's ability to eschew old tech and absorb new tech. In no small part this is what makes Apple's product such a treat for me.
Yes you're correct but it wasn't a media streamer until 2010. A standalone device is better for someone who doesn't want to buy multiple devices. Whenever I'm asked for advice on CE I almost always recommend going with Apple but always recommend Roku over a ATV.
There isn't really anything to copy unless you count rumors. You probably read more about Apple than other brands, so you're more likely to be exposed to rumors regarding Apple's projects than anything else. You have no idea what companies may concurrently have in their own respective pipelines. Even with something like the ultrabooks, intel wouldn't concentrate on low power chips without a large enough market or potential market for a company the size of intel. You are just a very spiteful person.
What the heck are you babbling about? Nothing to copy unless you count the rumors?
Did you even read the two examples I gave:
1. Apple releases the MacBook Air which catches on and completely redefines its segment. Intel then created a reference design that was a near exactly copy of the MBA - and paid OEMs to use it.
2. Apple has been selling AppleTV for years. Intel just confirmed that they're making something that sure behaves just about like the Apple TV.
So what spitefulness are you referring to? There's no spite in my post at all - just a statement of fact.
What the heck are you babbling about? Nothing to copy unless you count the rumors?
Did you even read the two examples I gave:
1. Apple releases the MacBook Air which catches on and completely redefines its segment. Intel then created a reference design that was a near exactly copy of the MBA - and paid OEMs to use it.
2. Apple has been selling AppleTV for years. Intel just confirmed that they're making something that sure behaves just about like the Apple TV.
You know I really should have explained better to ensure proper context. First when you talked about scrambling, I took it in the context of a future television product here. Apple isn't the only one with the Apple TV. The Roku is the other one that's frequently mentioned. Other brands have experimented with concepts such as smart TVs. Concepts exist in the wild, and there is no reason to think that others couldn't exist in various R&D phases within different companies. As for intel, they don't like to be cut out of any class of devices. It takes a certain number of orders to overcome fixed costs associated with chip development, especially with ever shrinking processes. I assume they want as wide a net as possible. In the case of their ultrabook marketing, those chips may not have received the same level of R&D priority if Apple was the only major customer.
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So what spitefulness are you referring to? There's no spite in my post at all - just a statement of fact.
Whenever the topic of intel comes up, you become very angry, regardless of what they're making.
Apple previewed the AppleTV in Sept, 2006 and started shipping the following March.
The Roku streaming video player was announced on May 20, 2008 - and started shipping some time later.
I'm also not disputing this either. I'm saying that Apple isn't the only one that exists in the market of augmenting television. I suspected MS intended to go that direction as well when the Xbox 360 was announced. Sony marketed the PS3 as a combination of console and blu-ray player. With the popularity of streaming, I assumed they'd approach that market as well.
And how different is that ATV to the current one? It wasn't able to stream anything from iTunes, Netflix, etc until 2010.
So? You claimed that Roku was on the market before Apple TV. You were wrong. Your attempts to divert everyone from the fact that you were wrong aren't going to get you anywhere.
Yes you're correct but it wasn't a media streamer until 2010. A standalone device is better for someone who doesn't want to buy multiple devices. Whenever I'm asked for advice on CE I almost always recommend going with Apple but always recommend Roku over a ATV.
1) You stated "Roku was out way before ATV."
2) The Apple TV was streaming when it arrived. You could either store media on it locally or stream. Changing some point to say that you meant Netflix streaming or XBOX live streaming or whatever it can do is a completely different argument. Was Netflix even streaming back in 2007 when the Apple TV launched?
3) I recommend the Ruko to people, too. I've even talked several people out of buying the Apple TV because I know what kind of setup they had. Differences in functionality are heavily based on the type of user you are so despite the Apple TV's smoother interface I do recommend it if they don't have other Apple products.
4) I think we all know that Ruko was the first device to have Netflix streaming. That deal was how Roku made a name for themselves.
So? You claimed that Roku was on the market before Apple TV. You were wrong. Your attempts to divert everyone from the fact that you were wrong aren't going to get you anywhere.
I admit I was mistaken but it doesn't negate everything else I was right about.
2) The Apple TV was streaming when it arrived. You could either store media on it locally or stream. Changing some point to say that you meant Netflix streaming or XBOX live streaming or whatever it can do is a completely different argument. Was Netflix even streaming back in 2007 when the Apple TV launched?
3) I recommend the Ruko to people, too. I've even talked several people out of buying the Apple TV because I know what kind of setup they had. Differences in functionality are heavily based on the type of user you are so despite the Apple TV's smoother interface I do recommend it if they don't have other Apple products.
4) I think we all know that Ruko was the first device to have Netflix streaming. That deal was how Roku made a name for themselves.
Actually the Roku was developed by Netflix and was supposed to be a Netflix branded device. Late in the development the CEO decided to separate the company from it so that others would choose the device for their streaming options. The point is was trying to make was that this is one time I don't believe companies are copying Apple.
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Object recognition is here already and sophisticated too - all international airports use it. Quite a few domestic ones as well.
Yeah, and my family room is like an airport waiting area..... /s
And what has Apple done that everyone is scrambling to copy? Roku was out way before ATV and as a standalone device it is far superior.
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No one ever said anything like that.
It is, however, disgusting that every time Apple does something, the entire industry scrambles to make exact copies.
There isn't really anything to copy unless you count rumors. You probably read more about Apple than other brands, so you're more likely to be exposed to rumors regarding Apple's projects than anything else. You have no idea what companies may concurrently have in their own respective pipelines. Even with something like the ultrabooks, intel wouldn't concentrate on low power chips without a large enough market or potential market for a company the size of intel. You are just a very spiteful person.
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The set-top box itself is also said to have an integrated camera, allowing for gesture-based controls as well as targeting ads directly toward users based on what the camera "sees" in the room.
Screw you, Intel.
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1) The Apple TV beat Roku to market by more than a year.
2) With the standalone device qualifier I agree with you but I don't agree with any implication that a standalone device is better. I love technology for it's ability to eschew old tech and absorb new tech. In no small part this is what makes Apple's product such a treat for me.
I don't see anybody offering anything similar yet. Paying for TV shows is pointless. Costs are too high. And the bill is highly variable.
Yes you're correct but it wasn't a media streamer until 2010. A standalone device is better for someone who doesn't want to buy multiple devices. Whenever I'm asked for advice on CE I almost always recommend going with Apple but always recommend Roku over a ATV.
What the heck are you babbling about? Nothing to copy unless you count the rumors?
Did you even read the two examples I gave:
1. Apple releases the MacBook Air which catches on and completely redefines its segment. Intel then created a reference design that was a near exactly copy of the MBA - and paid OEMs to use it.
2. Apple has been selling AppleTV for years. Intel just confirmed that they're making something that sure behaves just about like the Apple TV.
So what spitefulness are you referring to? There's no spite in my post at all - just a statement of fact.
Nope. Not even close.
Apple previewed the AppleTV in Sept, 2006 and started shipping the following March.
The Roku streaming video player was announced on May 20, 2008 - and started shipping some time later.
And how different is that ATV to the current one? It wasn't able to stream anything from iTunes, Netflix, etc until 2010.
BRING US THE MIRROR, IGNORAMUS THAT YOU ARE! AND TAKE CARE NOT TO CONTAMINATE THE GLASS WITH THE REFLECTION OF YOUR VISAGE.
That is much harder to do with a text editor than with the newspaper and a pencil.
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What the heck are you babbling about? Nothing to copy unless you count the rumors?
Did you even read the two examples I gave:
1. Apple releases the MacBook Air which catches on and completely redefines its segment. Intel then created a reference design that was a near exactly copy of the MBA - and paid OEMs to use it.
2. Apple has been selling AppleTV for years. Intel just confirmed that they're making something that sure behaves just about like the Apple TV.
You know I really should have explained better to ensure proper context. First when you talked about scrambling, I took it in the context of a future television product here. Apple isn't the only one with the Apple TV. The Roku is the other one that's frequently mentioned. Other brands have experimented with concepts such as smart TVs. Concepts exist in the wild, and there is no reason to think that others couldn't exist in various R&D phases within different companies. As for intel, they don't like to be cut out of any class of devices. It takes a certain number of orders to overcome fixed costs associated with chip development, especially with ever shrinking processes. I assume they want as wide a net as possible. In the case of their ultrabook marketing, those chips may not have received the same level of R&D priority if Apple was the only major customer.
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So what spitefulness are you referring to? There's no spite in my post at all - just a statement of fact.
Whenever the topic of intel comes up, you become very angry, regardless of what they're making.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Nope. Not even close.
Apple previewed the AppleTV in Sept, 2006 and started shipping the following March.
The Roku streaming video player was announced on May 20, 2008 - and started shipping some time later.
I'm also not disputing this either. I'm saying that Apple isn't the only one that exists in the market of augmenting television. I suspected MS intended to go that direction as well when the Xbox 360 was announced. Sony marketed the PS3 as a combination of console and blu-ray player. With the popularity of streaming, I assumed they'd approach that market as well.
So? You claimed that Roku was on the market before Apple TV. You were wrong. Your attempts to divert everyone from the fact that you were wrong aren't going to get you anywhere.
1) You stated "Roku was out way before ATV."
2) The Apple TV was streaming when it arrived. You could either store media on it locally or stream. Changing some point to say that you meant Netflix streaming or XBOX live streaming or whatever it can do is a completely different argument. Was Netflix even streaming back in 2007 when the Apple TV launched?
3) I recommend the Ruko to people, too. I've even talked several people out of buying the Apple TV because I know what kind of setup they had. Differences in functionality are heavily based on the type of user you are so despite the Apple TV's smoother interface I do recommend it if they don't have other Apple products.
4) I think we all know that Ruko was the first device to have Netflix streaming. That deal was how Roku made a name for themselves.
I admit I was mistaken but it doesn't negate everything else I was right about.
Actually the Roku was developed by Netflix and was supposed to be a Netflix branded device. Late in the development the CEO decided to separate the company from it so that others would choose the device for their streaming options. The point is was trying to make was that this is one time I don't believe companies are copying Apple.
Functionally I am not sure if they copied, but visually most of these streaming devices seem to look like a hockey puck a la the Apple TV 2 and 3.