"The set-top box itself is also said to have an integrated camera, ... targeting ads directly toward users based on what the camera "sees" in the room."
So George Orwell's 1984 was right :-(
[Even paranoids have real enemies department:]
Everyone here knows there will be "back doors" into these feeds - they're everywhere in devices and systems.
Intel will have a back door, the door will be opened to either wiretap warrants, or worse, Homeland Security, et al. may ask for, and a President may decree warrantless taps in "cases of national security.
And who else? The consumer research arms of ad agencies? NTM, how hackable might this be by Joe Schmuck in Anycountry, Earth?
Boggling.
BTW... ...what about voice sensing devices hooked to the internet. On your computer, phone, tablet, TV..... .....the gov't can tap your cell after all, so that would by extension include Skype, and by not that far-fetched a speculation, any program (like Siri) that takes a voice feed over the net?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
And what is making me think that the processing power needed for this level of object recognition doesn't exist yet? Meaning… humans reviewing footage…
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
They'd have to hire an army of people to review all the footage.
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Originally Posted by RobM
..in principle general shapes are not hard to match.
= Humans reviewing footage in any case. All kinds of them. For all kinds of reasons.
And even with an option to have the cam on or off, if on by default, 70% of people would never even go to that menu unless a public ruckus got raised.
Here's two of 10 million, give or take an exponent or two, scenarios that come to mind: Even if you turned it off, in a family different people might be changing the setting all the time, so younger sis turns it on, and later that night, older brother and girlfriend end up having a hot make-out session on the couch. With "object recognition" and "pattern of movement recognition" (which it's designed to do, an algorithm could easily sort out the juicy bits even if the early generations only see vague shapes.
And people do have TV's in their bedrooms, after all....
Some citizens even roll herbal cigarettes (something which might be legal ten miles from where they, but not where they happen to live, say in Kansas on the border of Colorado) in their living room while they're watching TV and pass them around. A recognizable set of patterns. And possibly evidence or probable cause to search for evidence??
Etc.
....so yeah, humans reviewing? I think so.
But, hey, what could possibly go wrong....??
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Originally Posted by RobM
Whatever, I think it's an ill-founded idea and a complete invasion of privacy.
1. Apple releases the MacBook Air which catches on and completely redefines its segment. Intel then created a reference design that was a near exactly copy of the MBA - and paid OEMs to use it.
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Originally Posted by hmm
I assume they want as wide a net as possible. In the case of their ultrabook marketing, those chips may not have received the same level of R&D priority if Apple was the only major customer.
I agree with hmm. If Intel is doing this shift to lower power chips, they are going to need more customers than just Apple. The whole industry needs to get on board. If they do, then Apple (and, therefore, other PC makers) get low power chips. Then again, Apple doesn't compete on CPU specs, it competes with industrial design and software.
Remember that Intel is inside the MacBook Air. Intel wins if a MacBook Air is sold or an Ultrabook is sold. They lose when people decide not to refresh their laptops and get a tablet (iPad) instead. Apple sees Ultrabooks as competition for MBA, but Intel wants to sell lots of each. Ultrabook push is to get people excited about laptops again (for those deciding between a laptop and a tablet). Ultrabook is targeting iPad, not MBA.
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Check out the Roku in 2009 and 2010. They look like a black Apple TV gen 1.
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Originally Posted by Command_F
"The set-top box itself is also said to have an integrated camera, ... targeting ads directly toward users based on what the camera "sees" in the room."
So George Orwell's 1984 was right :-(
[Even paranoids have real enemies department:]
Everyone here knows there will be "back doors" into these feeds - they're everywhere in devices and systems.
Intel will have a back door, the door will be opened to either wiretap warrants, or worse, Homeland Security, et al. may ask for, and a President may decree warrantless taps in "cases of national security.
And who else? The consumer research arms of ad agencies? NTM, how hackable might this be by Joe Schmuck in Anycountry, Earth?
Boggling.
BTW... ...what about voice sensing devices hooked to the internet. On your computer, phone, tablet, TV..... .....the gov't can tap your cell after all, so that would by extension include Skype, and by not that far-fetched a speculation, any program (like Siri) that takes a voice feed over the net?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
And what is making me think that the processing power needed for this level of object recognition doesn't exist yet? Meaning… humans reviewing footage…
-...
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
They'd have to hire an army of people to review all the footage.
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Originally Posted by RobM
..in principle general shapes are not hard to match.
= Humans reviewing footage in any case. All kinds of them. For all kinds of reasons.
And even with an option to have the cam on or off, if on by default, 70% of people would never even go to that menu unless a public ruckus got raised.
Here's two of 10 million, give or take an exponent or two, scenarios that come to mind: Even if you turned it off, in a family different people might be changing the setting all the time, so younger sis turns it on, and later that night, older brother and girlfriend end up having a hot make-out session on the couch. With "object recognition" and "pattern of movement recognition" (which it's designed to do, an algorithm could easily sort out the juicy bits even if the early generations only see vague shapes.
And people do have TV's in their bedrooms, after all....
Some citizens even roll herbal cigarettes (something which might be legal ten miles from where they, but not where they happen to live, say in Kansas on the border of Colorado) in their living room while they're watching TV and pass them around. A recognizable set of patterns. And possibly evidence or probable cause to search for evidence??
Etc.
....so yeah, humans reviewing? I think so.
But, hey, what could possibly go wrong....??
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Originally Posted by RobM
Whatever, I think it's an ill-founded idea and a complete invasion of privacy.
It certainly is, Ollie.....
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Originally Posted by jragosta
1. Apple releases the MacBook Air which catches on and completely redefines its segment. Intel then created a reference design that was a near exactly copy of the MBA - and paid OEMs to use it.
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Originally Posted by hmm
I assume they want as wide a net as possible. In the case of their ultrabook marketing, those chips may not have received the same level of R&D priority if Apple was the only major customer.
I agree with hmm. If Intel is doing this shift to lower power chips, they are going to need more customers than just Apple. The whole industry needs to get on board. If they do, then Apple (and, therefore, other PC makers) get low power chips. Then again, Apple doesn't compete on CPU specs, it competes with industrial design and software.
Remember that Intel is inside the MacBook Air. Intel wins if a MacBook Air is sold or an Ultrabook is sold. They lose when people decide not to refresh their laptops and get a tablet (iPad) instead. Apple sees Ultrabooks as competition for MBA, but Intel wants to sell lots of each. Ultrabook push is to get people excited about laptops again (for those deciding between a laptop and a tablet). Ultrabook is targeting iPad, not MBA.