I cant find any specific reference to a story that Google tried to suppress, successfully or not, even searching with Bing. I can nearly guarantee that if it happened Microsoft would let everyone know.<img alt="lol.gif" id="user_yui_3_7_3_1_1361109433352_1490" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" style="line-height:1.231;" name="user_yui_3_7_3_1_1361109433352_1490">
<span style="line-height:1.231;">I can see that AI tries to imply it happens, which doesn't mean it really ever has does it? Makes a good story tho, and works as flamebait.</span>
So you're OK with Google pressuring the media to rewrite their stories in a way that's more favorable to Google - as long as they don't completely squelch the story?
Users of the service did agree to the sharing of contact information in the typical vague TOS way. No matter how many times you say just the opposite it still won't make it true. Read the agreement for yourself.
Not according to the journalist who write this article. And apparently, Google has not shown her any sections of the ToS that say what you are pretending that they say.
Not according to the journalist who write this article. And apparently, Google has not shown her any sections of the ToS that say what you are pretending that they say.
Ah, just like the State Farm commercial!
Man: Where'd you hear that?
Woman: On the internet. They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.
Man: ..and where did you read that?
Woman: On the Internet
I realize that you may not wish to read the Google disclosure because you couldn't then continue to make believe what you say isn't there really isn't there. For others the policy is here, and the disclosure listed under "Information We Share".
The addendum to the article is still, as of this writing, factually incorrect regarding Apple. They're trying to make it sound like Apple is acting on your behalf as a developer, and thus being the seller themselves when they say Apple files your tax returns for you. Apple does no such thing. An an app developer, you are the seller and Apple is just an intermediary. There are no 1099 forms from Apple or any other tax handling. You are responsible for all taxes yourself. The ONLY difference is that Apple doesn't share the user's contact information while Google does.
...More to the point, this isn't news. As noted above, people must know they're giving up privacy when they go the google route. They're effectively selling their privacy to pay for the products and services google provides. Live with it....
But that's the point. Most people DON'T know, and news sites are encouraged not to make a big deal of it. My parents didn't know that Google's computers scanned all their private email on gmail in order to find vulnerabilities their advertisers could take advantage of. They thought their private email was private. Google talks about privacy all the time and implies that their systems are secure, then they switch to this sort of "broken by design" system, and when caught try to downplay the story.
Still waiting for you to explain why Google didn't simply provide the terms of service rather than pressuring people to recant their stories.
It looks to me that Google may have contacted her to point out an inaccuracy, but claiming she was pressured would make it much more intriguing. I'm looking forward to hearing what she was threatened with if she didn't do what they were demanding. Did they threaten to publish embarrassing pictures of her? Secret bedroom videos? At least a letter from Google legal, right? There's gotta be more juicy details she can share.
Oooh... wait a minute. The writer doesn't say they were pressured to change the story. Never mind.
The addendum to the article is still, as of this writing, factually incorrect regarding Apple. They're trying to make it sound like Apple is acting on your behalf as a developer, and thus being the seller themselves when they say Apple files your tax returns for you. Apple does no such thing. An an app developer, you are the seller and Apple is just an intermediary. There are no 1099 forms from Apple or any other tax handling. You are responsible for all taxes yourself. The ONLY difference is that Apple doesn't share the user's contact information while Google does.
They are referring to sales tax. In Australia (where the article was written) there is a national 10% sales tax on everything. In that country, instead of Apple sending you the full price the customer pays (minus their 30%), they also take the sales tax off and send it to the government on your behalf (you provide Apple your Australian Business Number when you set up a paid developer account).
Yes, you still have to do a tax return yourself, but when you do, you find that all the sales tax you owe from the App Store has already been credited to your account. It's very convenient.
Google weren't very clever. By objecting to the idea this was 'flaw', and theerfore unintentional, they appear to be admitting it was intentional, which means in Europe, they run the risk of getting into deep doo-doo for breaching data protection laws.
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In a nutshell, the regulations would mandate that the collection of use of personal data would be restricted to the amount of information minimally necessary to provide a service, with fully transparent disclosure to users as to how long their data will be kept, how it will be used, and who has access to it. Users should be able to give “informed consent” to the use of their personal data,
Ooops!
Schmidt's statement about privacy and street view is classic:
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Google CEO Eric Schmidt said on CNN last week people who were concerned about Google Street View taking pictures of their homes and businesses could protect their privacy: they could “just move.”
Well as for Eric Schmitt: its fairly typical. He seems intent on proving that he is the ultimate a*hole. Mission Accomplished.
Actually I suspect Google WILL get some problems in the EU. They are already in the crosshairs of the Commission and I would be surprised if these little tidbits of additional evidence of systematic privacy law violations will go unnoticed. In one respect Google is not alone when it comes to violations of EU privacy law. ALL american service providers are tarred with the same brush. It seems impossible for an Ami to understand that privacy is a fundamental, constitutional right in the EU and in many EU countries civil rights are respected and expected to be respected, to an extent that is regrettably not the case in the US of A.
Any time a "mistake" puts more power or money into one's pockets, expect that mistake to be made again and again.
One unintended consequence of putting the word "flaw" in invertd quotes (particular to British and Australian English it seems) is that for US readers, it can be interpreted snidely.
<span style="line-height:1.231;">Add that to the issue that this article is about - Google throws its weight around to get the media to tell stories the way Google wants them to (or suppress the story entirely if it's unfavorable to Google).</span>
I cant find any specific reference to a story that Google tried to suppress, successfully or not, even searching with Bing. I can nearly guarantee that if it happened Microsoft would let everyone know.<img alt="lol.gif" id="user_yui_3_7_3_1_1361109433352_1490" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" style="line-height:1.231;" name="user_yui_3_7_3_1_1361109433352_1490">
<span style="line-height:1.231;">I can see that AI tries to imply it happens, which doesn't mean it really ever has does it? Makes a good story tho, and works as flamebait.</span>
You have very low credibility around these parts, to begin with. Now you're fast headed for less-than-zero..... (Of course, you guys have little sense of shame or self-respect, so I am probably talking to a brick wall).
No reference to this story in news.google.com yet. Not even under 'Technology.' Not even when you 'Load more stories.'
Of course, the footnote on the page says"The selection and placement of stories on this page were determined automatically by a computer program." so it must be all above-board!
You have very low credibility around these parts, to begin with. Now you're fast headed for less-than-zero..... (Of course, you guys have little sense of shame or self-respect, so I am probably talking to a brick wall).
I thought you were putting me on ignore months ago.
Yeah, I'm well aware that "around these parts" you'd rather not consider me credible.
I cant find any specific reference to a story that Google tried to suppress, successfully or not, even searching with Bing. I can nearly guarantee that if it happened Microsoft would let everyone know.
I can see that AI tries to imply it happens, which doesn't mean it really ever has does it? Makes a good story tho, and works as flamebait.
My apology then. As for your cognitive dissonance don't be so uncomfortable with it. Not too late for you to modify your views. I've been there before as most every thinking person has.
[" url="/t/156021/google-asks-journalists-to-tone-down-story-of-massive-google-play-security-flaw#post_2279086"]This is what you get when you choose Android. You get screwed, and deservedly so. What the hell did you expect? It's a shoddy free OS made by a company that collects information on people, including you.
On this very page, I see that Google Adsense, Google Analytics, Facebook Connect and more are being blocked by a plug in on my Safari.
How come I never see Apple getting blocked on any sites that I visit? Oh, that's right, Apple doesn't spy on people everywhere that they go and then steal their information left & right, and then turn around and hand it over to whoever, including "developers", who may belong to a huge criminal syndicate for all anybody knows.
The average ignoramus walking into a mobile phone store and walking out with a cheap or free Android phone may end up regretting their purchase a whole lot when they eventually find out that what they have to lose is worth a lot more than the few bucks that they think that they may have saved. Is the average Fandroid so ignorant and non caring about their privacy, that they just don't give a damn?
I would never recommend any Android device for anybody that I know. I'd go so far as to say that it's downright dangerous. I also would never hire anybody who owned an Android device, as they are potentially a walking security disaster, not to mention that they are most likely not the right person for the job, due to their poor taste and overall technical ignorance.
That because Apple doesn't make all its money off selling information on it customers like google does. Disagree with me, let me tell you the facts. Google track all the data that it collect from people using its search engine and sells it to advertisers. That and advertisement is where Google revenue come from. Google doesn't make money on Android, or everything else it does/makes it only make all their money off advertisement. Apple on the other hand does not. Apple's revenues come from it hardware ad software, and Apple makes record high revenues.
Then why are there over 1000 hello world apps in the Google Play Store? About 4000 if you go to other languages.
Are you saying Google audited these apps?
You are distorting my comment and using an ill-fitting counter-argument. But that's ok because I understand it is the normal practice here to deny existence of clouds while refusing to look at the sky.
To be precise, I didn't say Google had a rigorous approval process. I was commenting on "What's really scary is that Google has ZERO approval process when it comes to developers and their apps", which is patently untrue.
No company is perfect. In this area, Google could arguably do better. But that does not excuse anyone from making statements without knowing the facts, or outright lying.
My apology then. As for your cognitive dissonance don't be so uncomfortable with it. Not too late for you to modify your views. I've been there before as most every thinking person has.
What does a statement like this accomplish except to concede that he has you flummoxed?
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So you're OK with Google pressuring the media to rewrite their stories in a way that's more favorable to Google - as long as they don't completely squelch the story?
Figures.
Not according to the journalist who write this article. And apparently, Google has not shown her any sections of the ToS that say what you are pretending that they say.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Not according to the journalist who write this article. And apparently, Google has not shown her any sections of the ToS that say what you are pretending that they say.
Ah, just like the State Farm commercial!
Man: Where'd you hear that?
Woman: On the internet. They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.
Man: ..and where did you read that?
Woman: On the Internet
I realize that you may not wish to read the Google disclosure because you couldn't then continue to make believe what you say isn't there really isn't there. For others the policy is here, and the disclosure listed under "Information We Share".
http://wallet.google.com/files/privacy.html
As for you JR, feel free to continue with FUD in the face of facts sir. No reason to change now.
The addendum to the article is still, as of this writing, factually incorrect regarding Apple. They're trying to make it sound like Apple is acting on your behalf as a developer, and thus being the seller themselves when they say Apple files your tax returns for you. Apple does no such thing. An an app developer, you are the seller and Apple is just an intermediary. There are no 1099 forms from Apple or any other tax handling. You are responsible for all taxes yourself. The ONLY difference is that Apple doesn't share the user's contact information while Google does.
The internet is where I heard that Google is not evil. As you point out, that doesn't make it true.
Still waiting for you to explain why Google didn't simply provide the terms of service rather than pressuring people to recant their stories.
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Originally Posted by MattBookAir
...More to the point, this isn't news. As noted above, people must know they're giving up privacy when they go the google route. They're effectively selling their privacy to pay for the products and services google provides. Live with it....
But that's the point. Most people DON'T know, and news sites are encouraged not to make a big deal of it. My parents didn't know that Google's computers scanned all their private email on gmail in order to find vulnerabilities their advertisers could take advantage of. They thought their private email was private. Google talks about privacy all the time and implies that their systems are secure, then they switch to this sort of "broken by design" system, and when caught try to downplay the story.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Still waiting for you to explain why Google didn't simply provide the terms of service rather than pressuring people to recant their stories.
It looks to me that Google may have contacted her to point out an inaccuracy, but claiming she was pressured would make it much more intriguing. I'm looking forward to hearing what she was threatened with if she didn't do what they were demanding. Did they threaten to publish embarrassing pictures of her? Secret bedroom videos? At least a letter from Google legal, right? There's gotta be more juicy details she can share.
Oooh... wait a minute. The writer doesn't say they were pressured to change the story. Never mind.
Err... Why is the part of the article which criticises Apple crossed out in the original forum post?
Are we just censoring any criticism of Apple now?
Because if so, that's ... y'know ... pathetic.
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Originally Posted by Booga
The addendum to the article is still, as of this writing, factually incorrect regarding Apple. They're trying to make it sound like Apple is acting on your behalf as a developer, and thus being the seller themselves when they say Apple files your tax returns for you. Apple does no such thing. An an app developer, you are the seller and Apple is just an intermediary. There are no 1099 forms from Apple or any other tax handling. You are responsible for all taxes yourself. The ONLY difference is that Apple doesn't share the user's contact information while Google does.
They are referring to sales tax. In Australia (where the article was written) there is a national 10% sales tax on everything. In that country, instead of Apple sending you the full price the customer pays (minus their 30%), they also take the sales tax off and send it to the government on your behalf (you provide Apple your Australian Business Number when you set up a paid developer account).
Yes, you still have to do a tax return yourself, but when you do, you find that all the sales tax you owe from the App Store has already been credited to your account. It's very convenient.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
Google weren't very clever. By objecting to the idea this was 'flaw', and theerfore unintentional, they appear to be admitting it was intentional, which means in Europe, they run the risk of getting into deep doo-doo for breaching data protection laws.
Quote:
In a nutshell, the regulations would mandate that the collection of use of personal data would be restricted to the amount of information minimally necessary to provide a service, with fully transparent disclosure to users as to how long their data will be kept, how it will be used, and who has access to it. Users should be able to give “informed consent” to the use of their personal data,
Ooops!
Schmidt's statement about privacy and street view is classic:
Quote:
Google CEO Eric Schmidt said on CNN last week people who were concerned about Google Street View taking pictures of their homes and businesses could protect their privacy: they could “just move.”
Well as for Eric Schmitt: its fairly typical. He seems intent on proving that he is the ultimate a*hole. Mission Accomplished.
Actually I suspect Google WILL get some problems in the EU. They are already in the crosshairs of the Commission and I would be surprised if these little tidbits of additional evidence of systematic privacy law violations will go unnoticed. In one respect Google is not alone when it comes to violations of EU privacy law. ALL american service providers are tarred with the same brush. It seems impossible for an Ami to understand that privacy is a fundamental, constitutional right in the EU and in many EU countries civil rights are respected and expected to be respected, to an extent that is regrettably not the case in the US of A.
One unintended consequence of putting the word "flaw" in invertd quotes (particular to British and Australian English it seems) is that for US readers, it can be interpreted snidely.
You have very low credibility around these parts, to begin with. Now you're fast headed for less-than-zero..... (Of course, you guys have little sense of shame or self-respect, so I am probably talking to a brick wall).
No reference to this story in news.google.com yet. Not even under 'Technology.' Not even when you 'Load more stories.'
Of course, the footnote on the page says "The selection and placement of stories on this page were determined automatically by a computer program." so it must be all above-board!
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
You have very low credibility around these parts, to begin with. Now you're fast headed for less-than-zero..... (Of course, you guys have little sense of shame or self-respect, so I am probably talking to a brick wall).
I thought you were putting me on ignore months ago.
Yeah, I'm well aware that "around these parts" you'd rather not consider me credible.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
I cant find any specific reference to a story that Google tried to suppress, successfully or not, even searching with Bing. I can nearly guarantee that if it happened Microsoft would let everyone know.
I can see that AI tries to imply it happens, which doesn't mean it really ever has does it? Makes a good story tho, and works as flamebait.
So you're claiming the author is a liar?
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
I thought you were putting me on ignore months ago.
I never put anyone -- even you -- on the 'ignore' list.
A bit of cognitive dissonance keeps me alert and peppy.
My apology then. As for your cognitive dissonance don't be so uncomfortable with it. Not too late for you to modify your views. I've been there before as most every thinking person has.
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Originally Posted by Steven N.
Then why are there over 1000 hello world apps in the Google Play Store? About 4000 if you go to other languages.
Are you saying Google audited these apps?
You are distorting my comment and using an ill-fitting counter-argument. But that's ok because I understand it is the normal practice here to deny existence of clouds while refusing to look at the sky.
To be precise, I didn't say Google had a rigorous approval process. I was commenting on "What's really scary is that Google has ZERO approval process when it comes to developers and their apps", which is patently untrue.
No company is perfect. In this area, Google could arguably do better. But that does not excuse anyone from making statements without knowing the facts, or outright lying.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
My apology then. As for your cognitive dissonance don't be so uncomfortable with it. Not too late for you to modify your views. I've been there before as most every thinking person has.
What does a statement like this accomplish except to concede that he has you flummoxed?