Judge vacates 40% of jury's $1.05B verdict in Apple v. Samsung [u]

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  • Reply 21 of 91
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,176member

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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


     


    "...but I'm going to do it anyway by cutting it by 40%".



    Apple could get it all back, even more if the new jury can be convinced. What happened with THIS jury is that they made some easy-to-find errors in their damages computations. The court could identify the devices and where the mistakes were made but doesn't have a firm enough formula for how the jury had intended to figure damages. Therefor a new trial and a new jury on the appropriate figure for only those devices where the error was plain. 

  • Reply 22 of 91


    Meh, it's still a lot of money!

  • Reply 23 of 91
    kdarlingkdarling Posts: 1,640member

    A big problem was with the jury decision form that both sides had worked out ahead of time.


     


    Apple and Samsung were more worried about checking off what infringed, than leaving room for having the jury explain exactly how they came up with figures.
  • Reply 24 of 91
    applezillaapplezilla Posts: 941member



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    Congratulations to the judge for her 'sudden' windfall of x million dollars.


     


    Swiss bank account? Payments to relatives? Brown paper bags stuffed with cash?


     


    Could be one... could be all.


     


     


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  • Reply 25 of 91
    ankleskaterankleskater Posts: 1,287member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    Apple could get it all back, even more if the new jury can be convinced. What happened with THIS jury is that they made some easy-to-find errors in their damages computations. The court could identify the devices and where the mistakes were made but doesn't have a firm enough formula for how the jury had intended to figure damages. Therefor a new trial and a new jury on the appropriate figure for only those devices where the error was plain. 





    Indeed.


     


    Given that the judge gave a legal explanation for her decision, impugning her character is not only unjustified, it debases the character of the accusers.

  • Reply 26 of 91
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    "It is not the proper role of the court to second-guess the jury's factual determination as to the proper amount of compensation," Koh said, commenting on the ruling.

     



     


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    Apple could get it all back, even more if the new jury can be convinced. What happened with THIS jury is that they made some easy-to-find errors in their damages computations. The court could identify the devices and where the mistakes were made but doesn't have a firm enough formula for how the jury had intended to figure damages. Therefor a new trial and a new jury on the appropriate figure for only those devices where the error was plain. 



     


    So either Koh "second guessed" the jury or she didn't?


     


    Which was it?


     


    The 40% reduction indicates that it's black and white perjury.

  • Reply 27 of 91
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

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    Originally Posted by CrustyMcLovin View Post


    Meh, it's still a lot of money!



     


    It's peanuts. It's the equivalent of you or I losing a nickel or a dime probably.

  • Reply 28 of 91
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member

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    Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee View Post



    I thought the amount would get reduced, so not surprised by this. Still surprised at the wilful infringement decision. That one still has me scratching my head.




    That's because it was never willful in the first place.


    Fanboys want to paint a different picture of them to boost their egoes.

  • Reply 29 of 91
    rob bonnerrob bonner Posts: 237member


    Wondering at what point they have to start writing checks?

  • Reply 30 of 91
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,403member

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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    It's the equivalent of you or I losing a nickel or a dime probably.


    Well, it's (i.e., the ~$400M) more like a $1000 for someone who's a one-millionaire.... image

  • Reply 31 of 91
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rob Bonner View Post


    Wondering at what point they have to start writing checks?



     


    To have people whacked?

  • Reply 32 of 91
    adrayvenadrayven Posts: 460member

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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


     


     


    So either Koh "second guessed" the jury or she didn't?


     


    Which was it?


     


    The 40% reduction indicates that it's black and white perjury.



     


    It's not REDUCED, the calculations were wrong, so the amount in question, for the patents and products in question, are going back to trial to be reviewed by a new jury for to-be determined damages. She's not reducing ANYTHING, she's asking a new jury to review and come up with a finding because of the errors by the previous jury.


     


    She even says it's not her place to make this decision and thus is requiring a new trial. 

  • Reply 33 of 91
    richard getzrichard getz Posts: 1,142member
    Judges out of control as usual!

  • Reply 34 of 91
    allenbfallenbf Posts: 993member


    Question is, will Apple appeal, push for a new trial, or try to settle?  Cook never wanted to sue; they did win an important victory, though, money aside.  Might deter future manufacturers from copying.


     


    Having said that, looking at Samsung's passbook "competitor" they haven't really learned much of anything.

  • Reply 35 of 91
    ifij775ifij775 Posts: 470member
    It's a good thing for Samsung she dismissed the jury, so she can delay this trial even longer.
  • Reply 36 of 91
    ifij775ifij775 Posts: 470member
    allenbf wrote: »
    Question is, will Apple appeal, push for a new trial, or try to settle?  Cook never wanted to sue; they did win an important victory, though, money aside.  Might deter future manufacturers from copying.

    Having said that, looking at Samsung's passbook "competitor" they haven't really learned much of anything.
    Samsung needs to be taught a lesson and the sooner the better
  • Reply 37 of 91
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,382member


    Absolutely disgusting. Samsung's new wallet app shows that not only has the company not at all been deterred from their shameless knockoffs, but they seem to be going out of their way to do this, in an effort to mock and provoke. Again, disgusting. Never before has there been such a clear cut case of a company copying every single aspect of another company to attain their success, and shows just how useless the courts are in this case. A $1 billion verdict would have been less than a slap on the wrist compared to what Samsung has gained from their actions, but by the time this over Apple will probably be paying Samsung money.  What the **** is the point of even having a jury?


     


    The only silver lining of Samsung's success is that eventually they're going to **** Google up the ass, and either completely rebrand Android or fork it into something else completely. Android will become utterly irrelevant as a mobile OS if Samsung switches, and they're already doing their best to replace as many of Google's services as they can. People are now buying "Samsungs" or "iPhones"- all the other Android makers are completely fucked, relegated to the "other" category. 

  • Reply 38 of 91
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    Here is the rub:

    They maintain $600 million plus whatever additional damages the new jury sees those devices infringing upon patents. In short, it could cost Samsung more.
  • Reply 39 of 91
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member

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    Originally Posted by Richard Getz View Post



    Judges out of control as usual!

     


     


    Why even have jury trials anymore?

  • Reply 40 of 91
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,176member

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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


     


     


    So either Koh "second guessed" the jury or she didn't?


     


    Which was it?


     


    The 40% reduction indicates that it's black and white perjury.



    I don't know whether you're intentionally acting as tho you don't get it, or it's really just going right over your head,

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