I'm PayPaling to who will open an iPhone and tell me the names printed inside. I need some edumakation'.
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Because Samsung makes every single part in their phones? Riiiiiight. Open a Samsung phone and you'll see many of the parts are from the same non-Samsung sources as you'll see in an iPhone.
"Samsung keeps investing in R&D. They've boosted their smartphone R&D workforce to 25,000 or so from less than 20,000, and I think they have an exciting product lineup ready, probably in the second half, to upend the market," said Lee Do-hoon, an analyst at RBS.
So Samsung has 25,000 employees just working on smartphone R&D? Somehow I find that hard to believe.
And since the S4 has already been announced I'd be curious to know what this new product lineup is that's going to "upend the market".
it blows my mind how much free PR Samsung gets from the media right now. I mean on CNBC and elsewhere they're getting credited for reviving the brick and mortar stores. There's an article over at Forbes about how Samsung is "shaking up" retail and how Microsoft needs to take notice. Does the media not know the whole store within a store concept isn't new? There's nothing new or groundbreaking about Samsung having a mini-store inside Best Buy, Sheesh.
Samsung's recent success is believed to have come from low- and mid-level smartphones.
The Reuters and other articles I read said it came from mid-tier phones.
They also said that the record-breaking earnings growth was "fueled by" high end phones like the Galaxy S and Note series.
I suspect it's a bit of each: low, mid and high.
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Crime does pay, apparently.
Who cares about a billion dollar fine, when you've made many more billions than that in profit? And it probably won't even be a billion dollar fine. Some judge or other asshat will no doubt lower the fine.
So how do you feel about Apple being hit with a half billion dollar fine (that will probably rise to over $1 B after the next trial) for their Facetime patent violations?
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Originally Posted by Just_Me
Didnt know you could profit from shipped items that have to be repurchased backed later on
Apple reports profits the same way: from direct sales and retailer shipments. Their SEC 10K filing states that returns are accounted for separately.
Btw, I've never read of Samsung having to repurchase a lot of items sold to retailers. Even when the first US tablet end user sales didn't go as quickly as expected, US retailer buying rebounded a couple of quarters later as they sold their inventory and figured out a more realistic amount to purchase for the future.
(Retailer overbuying was also a difficulty for Apple's sales a couple of quarters last year.)
Meanwhile, Apple at 52-week low, and may no longer be most valuable tech company in the world by the end of the day or monday. IBM about to surpass Apple in value despite making far less. Short-term earnings don't matter this much, the market has lost all faith in this company longer term with current valuation.
what are you talking about? IBM's market cap is at 233 Billion while Apple's is at 397 Billion. Only Exxon is close at 398. These two have been swapping places for the last few weeks.
Apple reports profits the same way: from direct sales and retailer shipments. Their SEC 10K filing states that returns are accounted for separately.
Btw, I've never read of Samsung having to repurchase a lot of items sold to retailers. Even when the first US tablet end user sales didn't go as quickly as expected, US retailer buying rebounded a couple of quarters later as they sold their inventory and figured out a more realistic amount to purchase for the future.
(Retailer overbuying was also a difficulty for Apple's sales a couple of quarters last year.)
1) Here's Apple's revenue recognition policy from its 10-K, verbatim: "Net sales consist primarily of revenue from the sale of hardware, software, digital content and applications, peripherals, and service and support contracts. The Company recognizes revenue when persuasive evidence of an arrangement exists, delivery has occurred, the sales price is fixed or determinable, and collection is probable.Product is considered delivered to the customer once it has been shipped and title and risk of loss have been transferred.For most of the Company’s product sales, these criteria are met at the time the product is shipped. For online sales to individuals, for some sales to education customers in the U.S., and for certain other sales, the Company defers revenue until the customer receives the product because the Company retains a portion of the risk of loss on these sales during transit. The Company recognizes revenue from the sale of hardware products, software bundled with hardware that is essential to the functionality of the hardware, and third-party digital content sold on the iTunes Store in accordance with general revenue recognition accounting guidance. The Company recognizes revenue in accordance with industry specific software accounting guidance for the following types of sales transactions: (i) standalone sales of software products, (ii) sales of software upgrades and (iii) sales of software bundled with hardware not essential to the functionality of the hardware.
In addition, Apple provides channel inventory data during every quarterly conference call, so that you can fairly precisely estimate actual sales. And it provides number of actual units sold (so that an investor can calculate an average selling price). Does anyone else do that?
2) Here's Samsung's, from its equivalent of the 10-K: "Sales of products and merchandise are recognized upon delivery when the significant risks and rewards of ownership of goods have transferred to the buyer, continuing managerial involvement usually associated with ownership and effective control have ceased, the amount of revenue can be measured reliably, it is probable that the economic benefits associated with the transaction will flow to the Company and the costs incurred or to be incurred in respect of the transaction can be measured reliably. The Company records reductions to revenue for special pricing arrangements, price protection and other volume based discounts. If product sales are subject to customer acceptance, revenue is not recognized until customer acceptance occurs.
Do you notice any differences?
3) Even if Samsung were to repurchase a lot of items, just curious, here would you hear about it? What evidence do you have for your claim that "US retailer buying rebounded a couple of quarters later," and that they "figured out a more realistic amount to purchase for the future"?
4) I did not know that "retailer overbuying" was a problem for Apple "a couple of quarters last year." Please tell us more. Where did you see/read/hear about this? How big a problem was it? 0.1% of sales? 1% of sales? 10% of sales? What impact, if any, did it have on Apple's bottom line and/or its profit share?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
This article is talking about profits, not about the number of units sold or shipped.
Revenue, not profits.
Trillion ?? Well, Samsung only wishes it was in $$$'s.
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Originally Posted by JupiterOne
How do you pre-announce? Didn't they just announce?
I take it these press releases aren't backed up by offical audits.
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Originally Posted by jfc1138
I take it these press releases aren't backed up by offical audits.
Their actual numbers aren't backed up by official anything, so it's okay.
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Originally Posted by SCProfessor
I'm PayPaling to who will open an iPhone and tell me the names printed inside. I need some edumakation'.
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Because Samsung makes every single part in their phones? Riiiiiight. Open a Samsung phone and you'll see many of the parts are from the same non-Samsung sources as you'll see in an iPhone.
The market is not terribly impressed, apparently: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/05/markets-korea-stocks-idUSL3N0CR3L620130405?type=companyNews
The buzz is "they spend more on marketing than innovation" (Horrors! I thought only Apple did that!?): http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/05/us-samsung-spending-marketing-idUSBRE9340C120130405?type=companyNews
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Originally Posted by icoco3
Trillion ?? Well, Samsung only wishes it was in $$$'s.
"Trillion" is correct. The won is valued much less than a dollar or euro.
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Originally Posted by icoco3
Trillion ?? Well, Samsung only wishes it was in $$$'s.
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Originally Posted by Dave MacLachlan
"Trillion" is correct. The won is valued much less than a dollar or euro.
Soon, when Samsung's game is up, Korea is going to have no choice but to rename their currency to the lose.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
This article is talking about profits, not about the number of units sold or shipped.
Revenue, not profits.
8.7 trillion won in operating profit (at least according to the article)
sales of 52 trillion won
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Originally Posted by umrk_lab
Samsung or Samsung electronics ?
Good point, but regardless their phones will be the majority of that.
Not even close.
Did you really read it? If you did, then you'd have understood that Apple's products will be featured in the next part.
Sigh ...
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
The market is not terribly impressed, apparently: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/05/markets-korea-stocks-idUSL3N0CR3L620130405?type=companyNews
The buzz is "they spend more on marketing than innovation" (Horrors! I thought only Apple did that!?): http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/05/us-samsung-spending-marketing-idUSBRE9340C120130405?type=companyNews
From the Reuters article:
"Samsung keeps investing in R&D. They've boosted their smartphone R&D workforce to 25,000 or so from less than 20,000, and I think they have an exciting product lineup ready, probably in the second half, to upend the market," said Lee Do-hoon, an analyst at RBS.
So Samsung has 25,000 employees just working on smartphone R&D? Somehow I find that hard to believe.
And since the S4 has already been announced I'd be curious to know what this new product lineup is that's going to "upend the market".
it blows my mind how much free PR Samsung gets from the media right now. I mean on CNBC and elsewhere they're getting credited for reviving the brick and mortar stores. There's an article over at Forbes about how Samsung is "shaking up" retail and how Microsoft needs to take notice. Does the media not know the whole store within a store concept isn't new? There's nothing new or groundbreaking about Samsung having a mini-store inside Best Buy, Sheesh.
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Originally Posted by isaidso
Not even close.
Source?
It doesn't matter.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
Samsung's recent success is believed to have come from low- and mid-level smartphones.
The Reuters and other articles I read said it came from mid-tier phones.
They also said that the record-breaking earnings growth was "fueled by" high end phones like the Galaxy S and Note series.
I suspect it's a bit of each: low, mid and high.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple ][
Crime does pay, apparently.
Who cares about a billion dollar fine, when you've made many more billions than that in profit? And it probably won't even be a billion dollar fine. Some judge or other asshat will no doubt lower the fine.
So how do you feel about Apple being hit with a half billion dollar fine (that will probably rise to over $1 B after the next trial) for their Facetime patent violations?
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Originally Posted by Just_Me
Didnt know you could profit from shipped items that have to be repurchased backed later on
Apple reports profits the same way: from direct sales and retailer shipments. Their SEC 10K filing states that returns are accounted for separately.
Btw, I've never read of Samsung having to repurchase a lot of items sold to retailers. Even when the first US tablet end user sales didn't go as quickly as expected, US retailer buying rebounded a couple of quarters later as they sold their inventory and figured out a more realistic amount to purchase for the future.
(Retailer overbuying was also a difficulty for Apple's sales a couple of quarters last year.)
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Originally Posted by KDarling
Apple reports profits the same way: from direct sales and retailer shipments. Their SEC 10K filing states that returns are accounted for separately.
Btw, I've never read of Samsung having to repurchase a lot of items sold to retailers. Even when the first US tablet end user sales didn't go as quickly as expected, US retailer buying rebounded a couple of quarters later as they sold their inventory and figured out a more realistic amount to purchase for the future.
(Retailer overbuying was also a difficulty for Apple's sales a couple of quarters last year.)
1) Here's Apple's revenue recognition policy from its 10-K, verbatim: "Net sales consist primarily of revenue from the sale of hardware, software, digital content and applications, peripherals, and service and support contracts. The Company recognizes revenue when persuasive evidence of an arrangement exists, delivery has occurred, the sales price is fixed or determinable, and collection is probable. Product is considered delivered to the customer once it has been shipped and title and risk of loss have been transferred. For most of the Company’s product sales, these criteria are met at the time the product is shipped. For online sales to individuals, for some sales to education customers in the U.S., and for certain other sales, the Company defers revenue until the customer receives the product because the Company retains a portion of the risk of loss on these sales during transit. The Company recognizes revenue from the sale of hardware products, software bundled with hardware that is essential to the functionality of the hardware, and third-party digital content sold on the iTunes Store in accordance with general revenue recognition accounting guidance. The Company recognizes revenue in accordance with industry specific software accounting guidance for the following types of sales transactions: (i) standalone sales of software products, (ii) sales of software upgrades and (iii) sales of software bundled with hardware not essential to the functionality of the hardware.
In addition, Apple provides channel inventory data during every quarterly conference call, so that you can fairly precisely estimate actual sales. And it provides number of actual units sold (so that an investor can calculate an average selling price). Does anyone else do that?
2) Here's Samsung's, from its equivalent of the 10-K: "Sales of products and merchandise are recognized upon delivery when the significant risks and rewards of ownership of goods have transferred to the buyer, continuing managerial involvement usually associated with ownership and effective control have ceased, the amount of revenue can be measured reliably, it is probable that the economic benefits associated with the transaction will flow to the Company and the costs incurred or to be incurred in respect of the transaction can be measured reliably. The Company records reductions to revenue for special pricing arrangements, price protection and other volume based discounts. If product sales are subject to customer acceptance, revenue is not recognized until customer acceptance occurs.
Do you notice any differences?
3) Even if Samsung were to repurchase a lot of items, just curious, here would you hear about it? What evidence do you have for your claim that "US retailer buying rebounded a couple of quarters later," and that they "figured out a more realistic amount to purchase for the future"?
4) I did not know that "retailer overbuying" was a problem for Apple "a couple of quarters last year." Please tell us more. Where did you see/read/hear about this? How big a problem was it? 0.1% of sales? 1% of sales? 10% of sales? What impact, if any, did it have on Apple's bottom line and/or its profit share?