After reading those articles about the waste and stupidity taking place at JC Penny, there is no way that Apple should take him back.
He obviously was not willing to give it his all. You have people making minimum wage, busting their asses, working crazy hours, and along comes these grossly overpaid executives who only give 40% of what they have, because of their family and kids? Screw their families and kids. If somebody is paying somebody else many millions of dollars to salvage a company in trouble, the person you hired better damn be willing to give it their all, 100% of what they have.
And what's with all of the JC Penny executives jetting from different places in the country? Why hire people who don't even care enough about the company to relocate? Sounds like a good gig if you can get it. Get paid obscene amounts of money to hardly work and you can waste money like there's no tomorrow, while thousands of regular employees get the boot. It doesn't even matter if the company goes under, you'll be richly rewarded for your failure.
Yikes. Terrible and embarrassing, if anywhere near true. That's utterly clueless leadership.
Yeah I don't know how much is true but . . . The jet commuting bothers me. That is just ridiculous on all levels. People move their kids all the time. Suck it up and dedicate yourself to your new very highly paid job and your kids will get over it.
You want Forstall back, the guy responsible for Maps and who Jony Ive can't stand?
Apple is being led by veterans.
Yes, Eddy Cue 24 yrs, Jony Ive 21 yrs, Phil Schiller 16 yrs, Tim Cook and Dan Riccio 15 yrs, Bob Mansfield 14 yrs. Can't get any more veteran than that. Unless some don't consider anyone who didn't come from NeXT to be a true veteran.
In spite of Johnson's former success at Apple, I think it would be a bad move for Apple to re-hire him. He's been pegged as a failure. If Apple scoops him up, I think it will make Apple's management look weak and it will have negative impact on the stock price.
Thank god you're not running Apple.
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That would be nice to see Ron come back. I think he's the right man for the job.
However, it would be even nicer if we could get the guy on the right back...
Ron's JC Penney concept made no sense from the beginning. There was nothing to draw people to a JC Penney store.
My wife said this right from the get-go, when the guy was appointed. (She has a much better handle on the whole dept store shopping space across-the-board than I do -- without which, of course, our whole family would be in tatters).
Given what I had seen him do -- whether by accident or design -- at Apple, I originally thought she was wrong. But her insight was proven totally right!
As you said, the product sold itself at Apple stores. Most of what it needed was a radically different and inviting retail space. The new JCP had the latter (without the requisite human capital), but not the former.
In spite of Johnson's former success at Apple, I think it would be a bad move for Apple to re-hire him. He's been pegged as a failure. If Apple scoops him up, I think it will make Apple's management look weak and it will have negative impact on the stock price.
Thank god you're not running Apple.
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That would be nice to see Ron come back. I think he's the right man for the job.
However, it would be even nicer if we could get the guy on the right back...
Jobs wasn't "successful" with Pixar. He funded Pixar. Ed Catmull was the man behind Pixar, as was John Lasseter.
Pixar wouldn't have been Pixar without Jobs (or Lasseter or a number of others). To imply he was just an investor reveals your ignorance on this topic.
Still, new hires at headquarters, many of them Apple alumni, have staked out cushy workspaces for themselves, ordering posh furnishings and insisting the company replace their PCs with Apple computers and iPads — despite company networks that remain PC-based.
“You can’t coordinate people’s calendars because there are glitches in the Apple software,” one insider said. “The IT people don’t know how to work on them — I think that’s part of the reason they fired a lot of the IT department.”
That's hilarious!
If I were an executive, I would also demand to only use Macs and I would also instantly fire anybody from the IT department that began whining or didn't know how to use a damn Mac.
So basically, you'd put the "dic" in "Dictator?" Good to know. Glad you're not my boss.
I want Ron to come back. We are bleeding to death, losing long term talented employees daily because we are being managed by J.Crew and Best Buy people.
So basically, you'd put the "dic" in "Dictator?" Good to know. Glad you're not my boss.
It's probably not a good idea to be a dick 24 hours out of the day, but sometimes it's necessary to be a dick, IMO. I don't mind being a dick sometimes. It all depends on the particular situation and who you are dealing with.
He should have tried to prove his retail strategy in a limited amount of stores before rolling it out to all of them. How the shareholders let him get away with not doing this is beyond me.
And what's with all of the JC Penny executives jetting from different places in the country? Why hire people who don't even care enough about the company to relocate? Sounds like a good gig if you can get it. Get paid obscene amounts of money to hardly work and you can waste money like there's no tomorrow, while thousands of regular employees get the boot. It doesn't even matter if the company goes under, you'll be richly rewarded for your failure.
What a load of socialist waffle... Wait... A][, is that you??
What a load of socialist waffle... Wait... A][, is that you??
Don't worry, I am no socialist. I'd rather be dead.
As usual, my viewpoint is dictated and motivated by my own selfish reasons and desires. If somebody is not willing to give it their all and if somebody is wasteful, then that's not the kind of person that should be working for Apple, IMO.
Jobs wasn't "successful" with Pixar. He funded Pixar. Ed Catmull was the man behind Pixar, as was John Lasseter.
ya-huh… interestingly, Catmull, Lasseter, Andrew Stanton etc. - you know, people who actually worked with Jobs at Pixar - have a different view of things.
Who to believe? People who knew Jobs or random forum troll? hmmm…
This would be an admission of HR failure at Apple both internally (no decent second level human capital) and externally (unable to spot, attract, recruit talent). It would be a totally dumb move if it came to pass.
What is dumb about admitting failure? It's not like one can hide it through public denial.
This would be an admission of HR failure at Apple both internally (no decent second level human capital) and externally (unable to spot, attract, recruit talent). It would be a totally dumb move if it came to pass.
CNBC was brutal on Johnson this morning. The main theme being anybody could sell Apple products as they basically sell themselves. I don't see how bringing him back to Apple is a good thing. Unless morale at retail is so low right now and they all loved Johnson and want him back?
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After reading those articles about the waste and stupidity taking place at JC Penny, there is no way that Apple should take him back.
He obviously was not willing to give it his all. You have people making minimum wage, busting their asses, working crazy hours, and along comes these grossly overpaid executives who only give 40% of what they have, because of their family and kids? Screw their families and kids. If somebody is paying somebody else many millions of dollars to salvage a company in trouble, the person you hired better damn be willing to give it their all, 100% of what they have.
And what's with all of the JC Penny executives jetting from different places in the country? Why hire people who don't even care enough about the company to relocate? Sounds like a good gig if you can get it. Get paid obscene amounts of money to hardly work and you can waste money like there's no tomorrow, while thousands of regular employees get the boot. It doesn't even matter if the company goes under, you'll be richly rewarded for your failure.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Yikes. Terrible and embarrassing, if anywhere near true. That's utterly clueless leadership.
Yeah I don't know how much is true but . . . The jet commuting bothers me. That is just ridiculous on all levels. People move their kids all the time. Suck it up and dedicate yourself to your new very highly paid job and your kids will get over it.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb
In spite of Johnson's former success at Apple, I think it would be a bad move for Apple to re-hire him. He's been pegged as a failure. If Apple scoops him up, I think it will make Apple's management look weak and it will have negative impact on the stock price.
Thank god you're not running Apple.
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That would be nice to see Ron come back. I think he's the right man for the job.
However, it would be even nicer if we could get the guy on the right back...
I think Steve would approve.
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Originally Posted by AppleGreen
Ron's JC Penney concept made no sense from the beginning. There was nothing to draw people to a JC Penney store.
My wife said this right from the get-go, when the guy was appointed. (She has a much better handle on the whole dept store shopping space across-the-board than I do -- without which, of course, our whole family would be in tatters).
Given what I had seen him do -- whether by accident or design -- at Apple, I originally thought she was wrong. But her insight was proven totally right!
As you said, the product sold itself at Apple stores. Most of what it needed was a radically different and inviting retail space. The new JCP had the latter (without the requisite human capital), but not the former.
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Originally Posted by dnd0ps
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Originally Posted by zoetmb
In spite of Johnson's former success at Apple, I think it would be a bad move for Apple to re-hire him. He's been pegged as a failure. If Apple scoops him up, I think it will make Apple's management look weak and it will have negative impact on the stock price.
Thank god you're not running Apple.
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That would be nice to see Ron come back. I think he's the right man for the job.
However, it would be even nicer if we could get the guy on the right back...
I think Steve would approve.
Thank God you're not running Apple.
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Originally Posted by 65C816
Jobs wasn't "successful" with Pixar. He funded Pixar. Ed Catmull was the man behind Pixar, as was John Lasseter.
Pixar wouldn't have been Pixar without Jobs (or Lasseter or a number of others). To imply he was just an investor reveals your ignorance on this topic.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
I like this part the best:
Still, new hires at headquarters, many of them Apple alumni, have staked out cushy workspaces for themselves, ordering posh furnishings and insisting the company replace their PCs with Apple computers and iPads — despite company networks that remain PC-based.
“You can’t coordinate people’s calendars because there are glitches in the Apple software,” one insider said. “The IT people don’t know how to work on them — I think that’s part of the reason they fired a lot of the IT department.”
That's hilarious!
If I were an executive, I would also demand to only use Macs and I would also instantly fire anybody from the IT department that began whining or didn't know how to use a damn Mac.
So basically, you'd put the "dic" in "Dictator?" Good to know. Glad you're not my boss.
Bleeding? Surely you're joking.
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Originally Posted by Cash907
So basically, you'd put the "dic" in "Dictator?" Good to know. Glad you're not my boss.
It's probably not a good idea to be a dick 24 hours out of the day, but sometimes it's necessary to be a dick, IMO. I don't mind being a dick sometimes. It all depends on the particular situation and who you are dealing with.
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Originally Posted by WelshDog
Hmmmm.
http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/03/23/long-distance-bosses-problem-troubled-store-chain-jc-penney
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/jets_hotels_and_swanky_offices_for_VdnfSPdQJcYd6dG9aDp3EK
The NY Post? Questionable source at best. Don't know about the other one.
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Originally Posted by 65C816
Jobs wasn't "successful" with Pixar. He funded Pixar. Ed Catmull was the man behind Pixar, as was John Lasseter.
Yep!
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1
He should have tried to prove his retail strategy in a limited amount of stores before rolling it out to all of them. How the shareholders let him get away with not doing this is beyond me.
Best post of all!
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Originally Posted by paxman
What a load of socialist waffle... Wait... A][, is that you??
Don't worry, I am no socialist. I'd rather be dead.
As usual, my viewpoint is dictated and motivated by my own selfish reasons and desires. If somebody is not willing to give it their all and if somebody is wasteful, then that's not the kind of person that should be working for Apple, IMO.
that was some funding...you think everyone who funds a company get to merge with disney..
Who to believe? People who knew Jobs or random forum troll? hmmm…
What is dumb about admitting failure? It's not like one can hide it through public denial.