As I said before,you probably have to do a clean reinstall of the OS.The other possibility is to look in the install logs to see if you can find all the files associated with MacGimp,delete them,then do a dirty reinstall of the OS,but this may not work,the first choice is the better.
<strong>would simply doing an archive of all and install Jag resolve it???</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, it will. It will move your users folder (minus the shared folder) and your applications folder (with apps updated as necessary) and put all the rest of the stuff in a folder called previous systems. That folder will have all the stuff you installed everywhere else in it. The new install of Jag will be essentially new, as it installs new /System, /Library and various other directories. That should solve it without too much damage to your system.
By a dirty install I just mean reistalling on top of the existing OS,you won't lose anything-not normally anyway,but you have severe problems,I suggest backing up everything that you want to save and reformat your drive and do a clean reinstall-looking for all the Gimp and X windows files and deleting them will probably take at least as long as a clean reinstall,and is not guaranteed to work,wheras doing a clean reinstall will work,no matter what.
<strong>By a dirty install I just mean reistalling on top of the existing OS,you won't lose anything-not normally anyway,but you have severe problems,I suggest backing up everything that you want to save and reformat your drive and do a clean reinstall-looking for all the Gimp and X windows files and deleting them will probably take at least as long as a clean reinstall,and is not guaranteed to work,wheras doing a clean reinstall will work,no matter what.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Installing over the existing installation (just upgrading) will not solve the problems because the stuff in the /usr directory will not be changed. That X11 stuff dumps things everywhere and it won't be cleaned up unless you do a clean install (a big hassle because you'll lose all your settings) or an archive and install. That's the only way to get it all. For god's sake people: you don't need to do a clean install to get your OS X system back to normal (your user account may still be flaky, but not any new accounts that you create). Archive and install is all you need.
If you want to mess around with X11 stuff in the future, use <a href="http://fink.sourceforge.net"; target="_blank">fink</a> because it puts all it's stuff in a separate directory (/sw; as much as possible) so that you don't need to go through these machinations to get rid of it.
Rick, i think i prefer a format and clean install. Supposing the mac keeps on working for the next two weeks.. i'll save in the cds all i'm gonna need later, like the documents and some settings (so stuff from library..??) and then after Paris do the clean clean clean setup. (now where i find step by step format to do in mac??? i've formatted only in dos)
And then i'll be more careful with things like gimp. maybe best leave it just to be used with the compu with linux.
As long as you back everything up you'll be OK-ask Torifile for explicit advice-he seems to know exactly what needs to be done to clean the system thoroughly without overdoing it and wasting time-I'm not that familar with reinstalling X because I've never had to do it,though I did with 9 too many times.I've only had two kernel panics and one crash-in almost two years of X-and another time I had to force shut down my machine,but thats because I wrote a recursive function and forgot to put bounds on it and let it run while I went to the bathroom,when I came back almost all the virtual memory had been eaten up,the cursor would only move a few pixels a minute.I was going to install GIMP and X windows myself but I backed off when I heard about a lot of people were having problems similar to yours-usually I'll install just about anything on my system.When I get a new machine I'm going to put LInux on my old one,just to mess around with-there are a lot of scientific apps that I've aquired a taste for that don't have stable Mac versions-plus knowing Linux can translate into making money-always a good thing.
In Linux it runs ok though.. i run that on my old pc laptop and it runs good, nearly no problems. And sure more stabile than winzoz... I hate the idea that if i buy a new laptop, unless it's a mac, i have to pay for windows even if the first thing i'd do would be take it off and make it run linux...
Photoshop is better anyway-the only capabilities Gimp has that photoshop doesn't are 3d rendering and some modelling-which can be replaced by even a mediocre 3d program.
Ok, here's the deal with the various install options:
Upgrade: it will just go through all the files on your hard drive and if there are updated versions of them, it will install them. Otherwise, the files are left alone. This will not get rid of the GIMP for you.
Archive and Install: This will move ALL the contents of your drive to a folder called Previous Systems and then move your users folder back into its proper place. This option WILL get rid of the GIMP for you since the X11 stuff is installed in directories other than the user directory. If you have corrupt preferences, it may make your OS X installation a bit flaky. This is solved by getting rid of the bad preference.
Clean Install: If you choose this option, you can have your drive formatted. There will be a checkbox (I think, it may be under options) that will say "Format destination drive as:" pick HFS+ from the drop down menu. This will get rid of everything and will for sure get rid of all your OS X problems, in addition to ALL your other stuff.
I recommend the second option. That's what I did to get rid of all my X11 installed stuff since I wasn't using it anymore. I haven't had any problems outside of not being able to automatically log in (fixed by deleting com.apple.loginwindow.plist). That option is the best way to ensure that you've got a clean OS X without having to back all your stuff up. If you want, you can get the same effect by doing the archive/install option followed by creating a new user. Then if you delete your old user, the files will go into a disk image that you can selectively salvage stuff from. This is the method that I recommend to everyone before doing a clean install. HTH.
I was finally able to find and download the standalone installers for gimp and x11 - they can indeed make for a real messy situation.
The "archive and install" option would be your best choice, for the very same reasons he mentioned. That'll be much easier than having to manually pick out the files and folders that have been changed.
Regarding GIMP, here's my opinion. It is a good program, but you get what you pay for. Hint: it's free. So, you can't expect it to work perfectly in *all* environments. I've used both Photoshop 7 and GIMP and I greatly prefer Photoshop. GIMP's non-native interface is enough to irk me, but coupled with some unfamiliar functions and often slow behavior, it isn't good enough for me to use regularly. I only have it on my system for testing purposes.
So, why is it that I haven't experienced any of the same problems? It might be that I had used the "fink" installation of X11 and GIMP. As torifile also mentioned, fink installs files in a custom directory, separate from the other system files.
PSH will be then enough for the main pic manipulation prog.
Jag to clean clean start is the thing i'll do...
There are too many small files around everywhere now, no way finding all them manually.. <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />
i think they really should put the disintalling instructions to macgimp site. now wait maybe they didn0t think about the change someone'd want his gimp off..
The "archive and install" option would be your best choice, for the very same reasons he mentioned. That'll be much easier than having to manually pick out the files and folders that have been changed.
Well, best of luck with the reinstall! </strong><hr></blockquote>
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If someone has an idea how to disinstall it .. pliiiz
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Anyway, ,.. maybe better cont this in the Kernel Panic thread??
Now suggest somebody quickly a software (if it works free better) to use to masterize the cds (with ibook and os x) so i'll try that...
<strong>would simply doing an archive of all and install Jag resolve it???</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, it will. It will move your users folder (minus the shared folder) and your applications folder (with apps updated as necessary) and put all the rest of the stuff in a folder called previous systems. That folder will have all the stuff you installed everywhere else in it. The new install of Jag will be essentially new, as it installs new /System, /Library and various other directories. That should solve it without too much damage to your system.
<strong>By a dirty install I just mean reistalling on top of the existing OS,you won't lose anything-not normally anyway,but you have severe problems,I suggest backing up everything that you want to save and reformat your drive and do a clean reinstall-looking for all the Gimp and X windows files and deleting them will probably take at least as long as a clean reinstall,and is not guaranteed to work,wheras doing a clean reinstall will work,no matter what.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Installing over the existing installation (just upgrading) will not solve the problems because the stuff in the /usr directory will not be changed. That X11 stuff dumps things everywhere and it won't be cleaned up unless you do a clean install (a big hassle because you'll lose all your settings) or an archive and install. That's the only way to get it all. For god's sake people: you don't need to do a clean install to get your OS X system back to normal (your user account may still be flaky, but not any new accounts that you create). Archive and install is all you need.
If you want to mess around with X11 stuff in the future, use <a href="http://fink.sourceforge.net"; target="_blank">fink</a> because it puts all it's stuff in a separate directory (/sw; as much as possible) so that you don't need to go through these machinations to get rid of it.
Rick, i think i prefer a format and clean install. Supposing the mac keeps on working for the next two weeks.. i'll save in the cds all i'm gonna need later, like the documents and some settings (so stuff from library..??) and then after Paris do the clean clean clean setup. (now where i find step by step format to do in mac??? i've formatted only in dos)
And then i'll be more careful with things like gimp. maybe best leave it just to be used with the compu with linux.
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In Linux it runs ok though.. i run that on my old pc laptop and it runs good, nearly no problems. And sure more stabile than winzoz... I hate the idea that if i buy a new laptop, unless it's a mac, i have to pay for windows even if the first thing i'd do would be take it off and make it run linux...
So stay in Photoshop, safer
Upgrade: it will just go through all the files on your hard drive and if there are updated versions of them, it will install them. Otherwise, the files are left alone. This will not get rid of the GIMP for you.
Archive and Install: This will move ALL the contents of your drive to a folder called Previous Systems and then move your users folder back into its proper place. This option WILL get rid of the GIMP for you since the X11 stuff is installed in directories other than the user directory. If you have corrupt preferences, it may make your OS X installation a bit flaky. This is solved by getting rid of the bad preference.
Clean Install: If you choose this option, you can have your drive formatted. There will be a checkbox (I think, it may be under options) that will say "Format destination drive as:" pick HFS+ from the drop down menu. This will get rid of everything and will for sure get rid of all your OS X problems, in addition to ALL your other stuff.
I recommend the second option. That's what I did to get rid of all my X11 installed stuff since I wasn't using it anymore. I haven't had any problems outside of not being able to automatically log in (fixed by deleting com.apple.loginwindow.plist). That option is the best way to ensure that you've got a clean OS X without having to back all your stuff up. If you want, you can get the same effect by doing the archive/install option followed by creating a new user. Then if you delete your old user, the files will go into a disk image that you can selectively salvage stuff from. This is the method that I recommend to everyone before doing a clean install. HTH.
I was finally able to find and download the standalone installers for gimp and x11 - they can indeed make for a real messy situation.
The "archive and install" option would be your best choice, for the very same reasons he mentioned. That'll be much easier than having to manually pick out the files and folders that have been changed.
Regarding GIMP, here's my opinion. It is a good program, but you get what you pay for. Hint: it's free. So, you can't expect it to work perfectly in *all* environments. I've used both Photoshop 7 and GIMP and I greatly prefer Photoshop. GIMP's non-native interface is enough to irk me, but coupled with some unfamiliar functions and often slow behavior, it isn't good enough for me to use regularly. I only have it on my system for testing purposes.
So, why is it that I haven't experienced any of the same problems? It might be that I had used the "fink" installation of X11 and GIMP. As torifile also mentioned, fink installs files in a custom directory, separate from the other system files.
Well, best of luck with the reinstall!
And maybe gimp is best left just in Linux...
PSH will be then enough for the main pic manipulation prog.
Jag to clean clean start is the thing i'll do...
There are too many small files around everywhere now, no way finding all them manually.. <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />
i think they really should put the disintalling instructions to macgimp site.
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i think they really should put the disintalling instructions to macgimp site.
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They really should-every action on a computer should be reversible.
I seem not to be the only with this problem!
<a href="http://www.xdarwin.org/forum/read.php?f=3&i=625&t=625"; target="_blank">http://www.xdarwin.org/forum/read.php?f=3&i=625&t=625</a>;
<strong>I'm with torifile on this one.
The "archive and install" option would be your best choice, for the very same reasons he mentioned. That'll be much easier than having to manually pick out the files and folders that have been changed.
Well, best of luck with the reinstall!
Will you have to reinstall all your apps?
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Will you have to reinstall all your apps?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not unless they install special things in other places (like fonts). It's the best way to go.