Moral of that story is: you did no research before purchasing and are complaining about something that wasn't in the design in the first place.
That's not even remotely close to the actual situation. I thought I would try out Airplay since the Touch was there - I didn't buy it because of Airplay.
As to the design, have it your way - Allshare is clearly superior to Airplay, for what I wan't to do, due to superior functionality.
thanks for the laugh and I agree with you!! it's ridiculous how so many iphone users are so incurious about their devices. I use airplay DAILY with my AppleTV and HD tv. It's great to stream video from my mac or ipad and use my iphone (if I want) as the remote control.
If you think iPhone users are incurious just imagine the typical Android user. iOS dominates the mobile web according top survey after survey, and the only explanation is that Android users simply use the device as a phone and nothing else.
That's not even remotely close to the actual situation. I thought I would try out Airplay since the Touch was there - I didn't buy it because of Airplay.
So you're pitching a feature request as a complaint and a failing of Apple's system.
It would be used more if US had better comms infrastructure. As it is, it is painful unless you are on the same LAN, and then it is only somewhat useful.
Well Airplay would have to be one of the most egregious examples of iGreed in action.
I wanted Airplay to be great, but it turns out Samsung's Allshare is better - because it works without trying to screw the customer over.
When I got my daughter an iPod Touch, I thought great, I can try out this wonderful Airplay, and I am not saying that with sarcasm, I truly wanted it to be wonderful. With great anticipation I configured my then recently purchased Macbook Pro Retina and the Touch, hooked the Touch to my HiFi and then set about streaming from the MBPR to the HiFi. What a great typical Apple experience that was. €2500 ($3,300) worth of Apple goodness and it didn't work. Oh no, you see to get it to work you have to spend more than that. Apple isn't happy that I only spent that much, they wanted me to spend more and get an Apple TV or an Airport Express.
So Apple lost a sale of another iPod Touch and I went back to using my trusty Samsung phone with Allshare that does indeed let me stream from my laptop to my HiFi.
Oh, and for all those who claim Samsung always copies Apple - my Samsung phone that runs Bada, came with Allshare, a notifications bar and the ability to work as a WiFi hotspot - a full year before Apple introduced any of those features to iOS, the copycats.
why in the world didn't you just read the details about AirPlay on the Apple website first? anyone can find out there that isn't how it works ... oh and $100 for an AppleTV is SO much ...
but looking over some of your 1000 posts, i think you probably just got the Touch so you could find something wrong with it to use as an excuse to dump on Apple for the nth time. you really should hang out at some Samsung fan site instead, they'll eat this stuff up.
agree very much with those of you who would like to see HDMI pass-thrus added to the Apple TV, with auto input switching based on the iOS app you launch to control it on your iPhone/iPad. manual input switching on the TV is a big pain, and should be unnecessary anymore. yes i know Google TV tried, but they messed it up.
a question tho:
Apple licenses AirPlay receiving ability to third party audio devices already - some receivers and some stand-alone powered speakers (like iHome's). works great around the house. unlike bluetooth, you can have as many units playing an audio media selection at the same time as you want as long as they are all on your same wifi LAN.
so why hasn't Apple likewise licensed video AirPlay receiving ability to any TV manufacturers that would build it directly into their HDTV's? that's certainly possible.
maybe just to push sales of its own Apple TV STB now? i guess that's possible. i'm one of those who thinks an future Apple HDTV is a myth. but connecting AirPlay with many brands of HDTV would boost the iTunes/Mac/iOS ecosystem a lot faster.
If you think iPhone users are incurious just imagine the typical Android user. iOS dominates the mobile web according top survey after survey, and the only explanation is that Android users simply use the device as a phone and nothing else.
That's very true of two friends who got Samsung android phones.
One was attracted to $0 down and free texting. But she didn't realize mobile web was an extra, so just uses it as a phone and continues to use her MacBook for the web.
Second friend, who isn't computer literate, wanted a low cost light large screen phone. Also bought an older model Samsung for $0 down. One day I asked about Email and the Web on it and got a blank stare in return. So I had a look at it, found it was mobile web connected, that the user didn't realize although was paying the $25/m extra for web access.
Obviously both of these users were initially attracted to the $0 down, on a Samsung phone of two models back.
In the big picture they got taken by the tricky sales info.
2) I also really enjoy my Mac's screen sharing options for connecting to a friend or family member to assist them in something. I really wish this was an option in iOS (like it is in BB 10) because so many more people have iDevices and sometimes just getting them to figure out the two button method for taking a screenshot is a hassle, not to mention then walking them through how to send you that screenshot. This could be facilitated securely via the iMessage/FaceTime services they already offer... but admittedly I would prefer Apple to first resolve those frequent issues before adding new cloud features.
See Teamviewer, a free for personal use App which allows you to view or control another iOS, MacOS, Win or Linux device. I've used it for years on both iPhone and MacOS.
Air play is extremely useful and a great feature of iOS. I use it daily at work for a timing system (I'm in the fitness business). My only problem with it is that I can't directly connect with the box through an Ad Hoc network. This would make it much, much easier for iOS devices to connect without having to go through a wifi box.
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See Teamviewer, a free for personal use App which allows you to view or control another iOS, MacOS, Win or Linux device. I've used it for years on both iPhone and MacOS. http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
(Don't miss the BIG picture! )
Are you certain you can control a remote iOS device?
If they didn't force people to have an Apple TV to share and used an open protocol much more people would use it. I understand using proprietary for some things, but using it for sharing is nonsense.
why in the world didn't you just read the details about AirPlay on the Apple website first? anyone can find out there that isn't how it works ... oh and $100 for an AppleTV is SO much ...
but looking over some of your 1000 posts, i think you probably just got the Touch so you could find something wrong with it to use as an excuse to dump on Apple for the nth time. you really should hang out at some Samsung fan site instead, they'll eat this stuff up.
Read my post above.
Actually, an Apple TV is $142 where I live. So you are just like Apple and think I should have spent just over $3500 to be able to use Airplay? I disagree and am not playing. Also, neither the ATV or Express are battery operated and portable. I have two HiFi's I would have liked to Airplay to, so thanks very much, but I don't feel like upping the expenditure to $284.
This deliberate restriction of Airplay to hopefully generate additional income is symptomatic of iGreed, which came in around the time the iPhone was introduced. I have a 3rd Generation iPod Classic, which pre-dates iGreed. It is a wonderful device - except for the battery, the capacity of which Apple lied about to the point they got class-actioned for it and had to recompense customers in the US. Customers outside the US got shafted, as usual. Of course given the sycophantic mindset which infects you and others here, I no doubt only bought it because I was prescient, knowing I could later use it to bash Apple with. Want to know what Apple was like Pre-iGreed? Probably not, the view through those rose-tinted, or in your case rainbow-tinted, glasses is no doubt preferable to reality.
That iPod came with: a mains power adapter, firewire cable, firewire to mini USB adapter, a headphone extension cable with full inline remote, a dock, a CDROM with software, a soft travel pouch and a high quality hard case/holster with belt clip and a pair of lousy quality earbuds.
Contrast all that with what came with the Touch - a USB cable and lousy quality earbuds.
My Macbook Pro Retina didn't even come with a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter. At the very least, I think Apple should have provided a voucher redeemable for the adapter for those who needed one.
Airplay does NOT work well enough... sadly, I think it's let down by network speed.
I have a Time Capsule, MacBook Pro, Mac Mini and Apple TV.
Music streaming from MacBook and Mac mini are both cutting out after a period of time, why?
I think it's because the network signal gets lost, I've tired everything, Apple even replaced the Apple TV!
The Apple TV is not too far from the router (I get 3 out of 5 bars)
The thing that makes me think it's the network - because the network is real busy, the backups are over wireless, the screen sharing I use often, the internet is always busy...
as for video, it's pathetic. I get the first screen, then not much after that!
Music streaming from MacBook and Mac mini are both cutting out after a period of time, why?
I don't know why, but it happens here, too. iTunes on the MBP playing through the ATV. Music plays for a while, then for no apparent reason it just stops. If I pause iTunes and hit play again it resumes, but I'd sure like to know why I have to do that. Scratch that. I don't CARE why. I just don't want to have to DO that.
We never had that problem with the old Airport Express, at least not at our house.
I wonder if it's the timer on the ATV thinking it's time to sleep? I haven't noticed if the light goes out when it stops.
What router are you two currently using? I have a Netgear that occasionally drops the Airplay music signal, even while not under heavy load. The AppleTV doesn't turn off, though.
kpluck
AIrPlay would be used a lot more often if it was built into TVs or other set top boxes. That, of course, will never happen.
Apple is more interested in locking people into Apple's eco-system rather than making their devices as useful as possible.
Apple has a good reason for that: the fewer 3rd party partnerships, the better.
The AppleTV Netflix interface is much more smooth and friendly than any native TV Netflix app I have seen.
RichL
AirPlay must rank as one of the greatest differentiators between iOS and Android. It's so incredibly simple to use and incredibly useful.
why hasn't Apple likewise licensed video AirPlay receiving ability to any TV manufacturers that would build it directly into their HDTV's? that's certainly possible.
Because TV manufacturers would suck at it, and somehow Apple would be to blame.
Originally Posted by ClemyNX
If they didn't force people to have an Apple TV to share and used an open protocol much more people would use it. I understand using proprietary for some things, but using it for sharing is nonsense.
What's the open protocol they could use? Who has developed such a thing that is supported by all devices?
cnocbui
Tallest Skil
Moral of that story is: you did no research before purchasing and are complaining about something that wasn't in the design in the first place.
That's not even remotely close to the actual situation. I thought I would try out Airplay since the Touch was there - I didn't buy it because of Airplay.
As to the design, have it your way - Allshare is clearly superior to Airplay, for what I wan't to do, due to superior functionality.
If you didn't buy a HiFi with Airplay support, why in Jobs' name did you expect it to work anyway? Samsung Allshare doesn't work with the stereo in my 1998 Honda Accord, so clearly Honda is screwing us consumers too.
And I love your logic that Allshare is Superior because it's Superior. That's the same reason they named Lake Superior; it's better than the other lakes just cause.
Airplay does NOT work well enough... sadly, I think it's let down by network speed.
I have a Time Capsule, MacBook Pro, Mac Mini and Apple TV.
Music streaming from MacBook and Mac mini are both cutting out after a period of time, why?
I think it's because the network signal gets lost, I've tired everything, Apple even replaced the Apple TV!
The Apple TV is not too far from the router (I get 3 out of 5 bars)
The thing that makes me think it's the network - because the network is real busy, the backups are over wireless, the screen sharing I use often, the internet is always busy...
as for video, it's pathetic. I get the first screen, then not much after that!
New high speed router, please Apple!
My 2nd Gen Time Capsule has no problem keeping up with: Apple TV 2 & 3, (2) iPad minis, iPhones 4 and 5, 2 WiFi printers and my Mac mini... using many at the same time. On top of that, I live in a 150 year old plank house with very thick/dense walls and floors.
Try some of this: restore (last resort) or reconfigure the network settings on the Time Capsule. Set the 2.4GHz channel to anything except Automatic (11 works very well for me).
Use Time Machine Editor (free utility) to schedule backups for a certain time of the day instead of hourly.
Last: if most of your problems are ISP related (actual internet throughput, not local network), have them reset your modem. You may also need a speed bump. I'm running 40Mbps service from my cable company.
I am with you on waiting for Apple to release 802.11ac equipment. If it all happens this year, this will be the first time I've updated/replaced a Mac within a year of purchase. Having 40Mbps broadband is great, but I really need the local throughput for it to shine.
For those of you complaining about your not-so-new Macs not being able to AirPlay mirror, check out AirParrot. I used it with my 2010 iMac Core i3 until I replaced it with a new Mac mini. I think it was around $7-10, but well worth it. It worked just as good as official AirPlay under Mountain Lion.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Moral of that story is: you did no research before purchasing and are complaining about something that wasn't in the design in the first place.
That's not even remotely close to the actual situation. I thought I would try out Airplay since the Touch was there - I didn't buy it because of Airplay.
As to the design, have it your way - Allshare is clearly superior to Airplay, for what I wan't to do, due to superior functionality.
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Originally Posted by mgregor
thanks for the laugh and I agree with you!! it's ridiculous how so many iphone users are so incurious about their devices. I use airplay DAILY with my AppleTV and HD tv. It's great to stream video from my mac or ipad and use my iphone (if I want) as the remote control.
If you think iPhone users are incurious just imagine the typical Android user. iOS dominates the mobile web according top survey after survey, and the only explanation is that Android users simply use the device as a phone and nothing else.
Originally Posted by cnocbui
That's not even remotely close to the actual situation. I thought I would try out Airplay since the Touch was there - I didn't buy it because of Airplay.
So you're pitching a feature request as a complaint and a failing of Apple's system.
Originally Posted by igriv
It would be used more if US had better comms infrastructure.
You're on ludicrously shaky ground now. What does that have to do with anything?
As it is, it is painful unless you are on the same LAN…
Given that AirPlay only works locally, I'd imagine it's painful if you're not on the same network…
…then it is only somewhat useful.
Uh huh¡
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
Well Airplay would have to be one of the most egregious examples of iGreed in action.
I wanted Airplay to be great, but it turns out Samsung's Allshare is better - because it works without trying to screw the customer over.
When I got my daughter an iPod Touch, I thought great, I can try out this wonderful Airplay, and I am not saying that with sarcasm, I truly wanted it to be wonderful. With great anticipation I configured my then recently purchased Macbook Pro Retina and the Touch, hooked the Touch to my HiFi and then set about streaming from the MBPR to the HiFi. What a great typical Apple experience that was. €2500 ($3,300) worth of Apple goodness and it didn't work. Oh no, you see to get it to work you have to spend more than that. Apple isn't happy that I only spent that much, they wanted me to spend more and get an Apple TV or an Airport Express.
So Apple lost a sale of another iPod Touch and I went back to using my trusty Samsung phone with Allshare that does indeed let me stream from my laptop to my HiFi.
Oh, and for all those who claim Samsung always copies Apple - my Samsung phone that runs Bada, came with Allshare, a notifications bar and the ability to work as a WiFi hotspot - a full year before Apple introduced any of those features to iOS, the copycats.
why in the world didn't you just read the details about AirPlay on the Apple website first? anyone can find out there that isn't how it works ... oh and $100 for an AppleTV is SO much ...
but looking over some of your 1000 posts, i think you probably just got the Touch so you could find something wrong with it to use as an excuse to dump on Apple for the nth time. you really should hang out at some Samsung fan site instead, they'll eat this stuff up.
agree very much with those of you who would like to see HDMI pass-thrus added to the Apple TV, with auto input switching based on the iOS app you launch to control it on your iPhone/iPad. manual input switching on the TV is a big pain, and should be unnecessary anymore. yes i know Google TV tried, but they messed it up.
a question tho:
Apple licenses AirPlay receiving ability to third party audio devices already - some receivers and some stand-alone powered speakers (like iHome's). works great around the house. unlike bluetooth, you can have as many units playing an audio media selection at the same time as you want as long as they are all on your same wifi LAN.
so why hasn't Apple likewise licensed video AirPlay receiving ability to any TV manufacturers that would build it directly into their HDTV's? that's certainly possible.
maybe just to push sales of its own Apple TV STB now? i guess that's possible. i'm one of those who thinks an future Apple HDTV is a myth. but connecting AirPlay with many brands of HDTV would boost the iTunes/Mac/iOS ecosystem a lot faster.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
I waiting for an iPhone with VGA support to attach my projector. Apple is losing a lot of customers without it. /s
I suggest you give up wasting your time waiting.
VGA is past history, even further back in past history for Apple.
The earlier iPhone4 and iPhone4S did support VGA:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4108
You need a new projector.
Tech devices move on with the times.
Not just an Apple problem, two years ago my friend got a Dell laptop and even it wouldn't work with a VGA adapter.
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Originally Posted by lkrupp
If you think iPhone users are incurious just imagine the typical Android user. iOS dominates the mobile web according top survey after survey, and the only explanation is that Android users simply use the device as a phone and nothing else.
That's very true of two friends who got Samsung android phones.
One was attracted to $0 down and free texting. But she didn't realize mobile web was an extra, so just uses it as a phone and continues to use her MacBook for the web.
Second friend, who isn't computer literate, wanted a low cost light large screen phone. Also bought an older model Samsung for $0 down. One day I asked about Email and the Web on it and got a blank stare in return. So I had a look at it, found it was mobile web connected, that the user didn't realize although was paying the $25/m extra for web access.
Obviously both of these users were initially attracted to the $0 down, on a Samsung phone of two models back.
In the big picture they got taken by the tricky sales info.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
2) I also really enjoy my Mac's screen sharing options for connecting to a friend or family member to assist them in something. I really wish this was an option in iOS (like it is in BB 10) because so many more people have iDevices and sometimes just getting them to figure out the two button method for taking a screenshot is a hassle, not to mention then walking them through how to send you that screenshot. This could be facilitated securely via the iMessage/FaceTime services they already offer... but admittedly I would prefer Apple to first resolve those frequent issues before adding new cloud features.
See Teamviewer, a free for personal use App which allows you to view or control another iOS, MacOS, Win or Linux device. I've used it for years on both iPhone and MacOS.
http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
(Don't miss the BIG picture!
I am mortified. Why would you think that? Of course I support AirPlay. I use AirPlay quite frequently.
Are you certain you can control a remote iOS device?
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr
why in the world didn't you just read the details about AirPlay on the Apple website first? anyone can find out there that isn't how it works ... oh and $100 for an AppleTV is SO much ...
but looking over some of your 1000 posts, i think you probably just got the Touch so you could find something wrong with it to use as an excuse to dump on Apple for the nth time. you really should hang out at some Samsung fan site instead, they'll eat this stuff up.
Read my post above.
Actually, an Apple TV is $142 where I live. So you are just like Apple and think I should have spent just over $3500 to be able to use Airplay? I disagree and am not playing. Also, neither the ATV or Express are battery operated and portable. I have two HiFi's I would have liked to Airplay to, so thanks very much, but I don't feel like upping the expenditure to $284.
This deliberate restriction of Airplay to hopefully generate additional income is symptomatic of iGreed, which came in around the time the iPhone was introduced. I have a 3rd Generation iPod Classic, which pre-dates iGreed. It is a wonderful device - except for the battery, the capacity of which Apple lied about to the point they got class-actioned for it and had to recompense customers in the US. Customers outside the US got shafted, as usual. Of course given the sycophantic mindset which infects you and others here, I no doubt only bought it because I was prescient, knowing I could later use it to bash Apple with. Want to know what Apple was like Pre-iGreed? Probably not, the view through those rose-tinted, or in your case rainbow-tinted, glasses is no doubt preferable to reality.
That iPod came with: a mains power adapter, firewire cable, firewire to mini USB adapter, a headphone extension cable with full inline remote, a dock, a CDROM with software, a soft travel pouch and a high quality hard case/holster with belt clip and a pair of lousy quality earbuds.
Contrast all that with what came with the Touch - a USB cable and lousy quality earbuds.
My Macbook Pro Retina didn't even come with a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter. At the very least, I think Apple should have provided a voucher redeemable for the adapter for those who needed one.
Airplay does NOT work well enough... sadly, I think it's let down by network speed.
I have a Time Capsule, MacBook Pro, Mac Mini and Apple TV.
Music streaming from MacBook and Mac mini are both cutting out after a period of time, why?
I think it's because the network signal gets lost, I've tired everything, Apple even replaced the Apple TV!
The Apple TV is not too far from the router (I get 3 out of 5 bars)
The thing that makes me think it's the network - because the network is real busy, the backups are over wireless, the screen sharing I use often, the internet is always busy...
as for video, it's pathetic. I get the first screen, then not much after that!
New high speed router, please Apple!
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Originally Posted by Peter Windle
Music streaming from MacBook and Mac mini are both cutting out after a period of time, why?
I don't know why, but it happens here, too. iTunes on the MBP playing through the ATV. Music plays for a while, then for no apparent reason it just stops. If I pause iTunes and hit play again it resumes, but I'd sure like to know why I have to do that. Scratch that. I don't CARE why. I just don't want to have to DO that.
We never had that problem with the old Airport Express, at least not at our house.
I wonder if it's the timer on the ATV thinking it's time to sleep? I haven't noticed if the light goes out when it stops.
What router are you two currently using? I have a Netgear that occasionally drops the Airplay music signal, even while not under heavy load. The AppleTV doesn't turn off, though.
kpluck
AIrPlay would be used a lot more often if it was built into TVs or other set top boxes. That, of course, will never happen.
Apple is more interested in locking people into Apple's eco-system rather than making their devices as useful as possible.
Apple has a good reason for that: the fewer 3rd party partnerships, the better.
The AppleTV Netflix interface is much more smooth and friendly than any native TV Netflix app I have seen.
RichL
AirPlay must rank as one of the greatest differentiators between iOS and Android. It's so incredibly simple to use and incredibly useful.
But I thought Android could live-stream recorded video to other phones and a jumbotron!
Alfiejr
why hasn't Apple likewise licensed video AirPlay receiving ability to any TV manufacturers that would build it directly into their HDTV's? that's certainly possible.
Because TV manufacturers would suck at it, and somehow Apple would be to blame.
Originally Posted by ClemyNX
If they didn't force people to have an Apple TV to share and used an open protocol much more people would use it. I understand using proprietary for some things, but using it for sharing is nonsense.
What's the open protocol they could use? Who has developed such a thing that is supported by all devices?
cnocbui
Tallest Skil
Moral of that story is: you did no research before purchasing and are complaining about something that wasn't in the design in the first place.
That's not even remotely close to the actual situation. I thought I would try out Airplay since the Touch was there - I didn't buy it because of Airplay.
As to the design, have it your way - Allshare is clearly superior to Airplay, for what I wan't to do, due to superior functionality.
If you didn't buy a HiFi with Airplay support, why in Jobs' name did you expect it to work anyway? Samsung Allshare doesn't work with the stereo in my 1998 Honda Accord, so clearly Honda is screwing us consumers too.
And I love your logic that Allshare is Superior because it's Superior. That's the same reason they named Lake Superior; it's better than the other lakes just cause.
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Originally Posted by Peter Windle
Airplay does NOT work well enough... sadly, I think it's let down by network speed.
I have a Time Capsule, MacBook Pro, Mac Mini and Apple TV.
Music streaming from MacBook and Mac mini are both cutting out after a period of time, why?
I think it's because the network signal gets lost, I've tired everything, Apple even replaced the Apple TV!
The Apple TV is not too far from the router (I get 3 out of 5 bars)
The thing that makes me think it's the network - because the network is real busy, the backups are over wireless, the screen sharing I use often, the internet is always busy...
as for video, it's pathetic. I get the first screen, then not much after that!
New high speed router, please Apple!
My 2nd Gen Time Capsule has no problem keeping up with: Apple TV 2 & 3, (2) iPad minis, iPhones 4 and 5, 2 WiFi printers and my Mac mini... using many at the same time. On top of that, I live in a 150 year old plank house with very thick/dense walls and floors.
Try some of this: restore (last resort) or reconfigure the network settings on the Time Capsule. Set the 2.4GHz channel to anything except Automatic (11 works very well for me).
Use Time Machine Editor (free utility) to schedule backups for a certain time of the day instead of hourly.
Last: if most of your problems are ISP related (actual internet throughput, not local network), have them reset your modem. You may also need a speed bump. I'm running 40Mbps service from my cable company.
I am with you on waiting for Apple to release 802.11ac equipment. If it all happens this year, this will be the first time I've updated/replaced a Mac within a year of purchase. Having 40Mbps broadband is great, but I really need the local throughput for it to shine.
For those of you complaining about your not-so-new Macs not being able to AirPlay mirror, check out AirParrot. I used it with my 2010 iMac Core i3 until I replaced it with a new Mac mini. I think it was around $7-10, but well worth it. It worked just as good as official AirPlay under Mountain Lion.