To be fair it's better to be safe than sorry. Even today people credit Apple with inventing things they didn't invent. Perfected? Refined? Evolved? Sure. But not invent.
Nobody invented anything. Everything is evolution from something. Even the wheel is an evolution from a square, for practical uses.
It all started with a gigantic fart, and the universe was created.
To be fair it's better to be safe than sorry. Even today people credit Apple with inventing things they didn't invent. Perfected? Refined? Evolved? Sure. But not invent.
People think Apple invented the smartphone period (no one here I don't think or on any tech site but out in the world), they think they invented capacitive screens, multi touch, installable apps, MP3 players, tablets, the mouse, the GUI, and that's all I can think of.
There would probably be a lot less resistance to giving credit where credit is due if people didn't try and give ALL credit where it isn't due.
What this really demonstrates once again that Journalist and Analyst can be bought! And once again, it demonstrate that Apple has be unfairly and inaccurately been bashed since the day Steve Jobs passed away. Maybe Steve was right in not taking crap and it is about time that Tim should top being a gentleman and kick some journalist and analyst asses. Time to Tim to be like Tesla's Elan Musk and do what he did to NYTimes.
Apple only HAD 5 Million units to actually sell. If they had more, they would have sold more. Plus, Apple didn't roll out the iPhone in all of their markets in the first day. Apple has only 200 carriers to sell through and Samsung has 800. With all due respect, Apple has a smaller market to market through with limited mfg capabilities.
I hate it when the journalist spin the situation the way they do, they don't do a FULL analysis of each company, the market, the mfg capabilities, roll out strategy.
Apple sold more iPhone 5's in the same time period as the S3 for the first 6 months.
Everyone knows journalism is dead. Might as well just call it advertising...
To be fair it's better to be safe than sorry. Even today people credit Apple with inventing things they didn't invent. Perfected? Refined? Evolved? Sure. But not invent.
People think Apple invented the smartphone period (no one here I don't think or on any tech site but out in the world), they think they invented capacitive screens, multi touch, installable apps, MP3 players, tablets, the mouse, the GUI, and that's all I can think of.
There would probably be a lot less resistance to giving credit where credit is due if people didn't try and give ALL credit where it isn't due.
I think what you say is mostly true.
But in the case of the smartphone, for example, yes they existed before the iPhone. Apple didn't invent the smartphone. But they DID invent a MARKET for smartphones. To a somewhat lesser degree, the same is also true for MP3 players. One day they were a rather obscure device that people certainly had, but the market wasn't really all that large. Then, BAM!, and all of a sudden everyone at the coffee shop has little white earbud wires.
So, while it's true that Apple didn't just come up with these things out of the ether (and really, an MP3 is just a refinement on a Walkman, which is just a ... you get the idea), the did create the markets for these devices.
And I'll argue until the day I die that iTunes has changed the world. And no, I'm not being dramatic.
Quit trying to birth a meme using this "flawgic" nonsense. Memes happen when they appeal to people and they want to repeat it. This one is just clumsy and idiotic.
There is an incredible double standard being applied by these so called "analysts". What almost all of them are lacking is perspective. Admittedly Apple has hit a ceiling and it needs to grow sideways if it wants to keep increasing its bottom line. Analysts are crazy about Samsung because Samsung can only go up while Apple can only go down, and that is being reflected in the chatter as well as the stock value.
Apple really does need to re-ignite some excitement in its products. I don't know whether that means entering a new market, improving current products, or revamping iOS itself. Whatever the case may be, though, Apple needs to do something quickly. We will have a better idea of what's happening by this fall. If all we see by then are recycled designs and nothing really new, Apple will be in trouble.
You are either clueless, a troll or possibly a clueless troll when it comes to any Apple product. Putting you on my ignore list.
Normally Dilger's bias bothers me in his AI articles. They often feel more like homerism than journalism (though I'm finding him to be a great podcast guest), and it's hard to dig out the useful new information.
This time, I was relieved to see the byline. It's become the new media-herd position to say Samsung's up and Apple's down. There's probably some truth to the herd's inspiration -- Apple's level of growth was too meteoric to sustain forever, and Samsung is clearly eating the Android profit pie -- but these biased as crud, lazy headlines are really starting to bug me. It's too easy to ramp up the latest herd-speak in the name of click-mongering.
Thanks, Eran. Or Daniel. Or Dilger.
To be fair, they are (almost always) marked "Editorial" as this one was. An editorial is inherently biased, and does not play by the same rules as standard journalism.
OTOH, as we've learned many times before and from this very editorial, most "journalists" don't play by the standard rules of journalism, either.
Really? Let someone say "Apple stole from Xerox", and let's see how many 'nitpickers' pop up.
"Microsoft saved Apple once, how foolish by them. Did they even knew that those massive patent trolls, that sue legit and hard working companies, like samsung, based on rectangles and rounded corners, also stole the GUI from Xerox?"
I guess this is the most inflammatory sentence ever written.
"Microsoft saved Apple once, how foolish by them. Did they even knew that those massive patent trolls, that sue legit and hard working companies, like samsung, based on rectangles and rounded corners, also stole the GUI from Xerox?"
I guess this is the most inflammatory sentence ever written.
I'm wrong, the best one would be:
"I own several Apple products, and I'm long AAPL, but Microsoft saved Apple once, how foolish by them. Did they even knew that those massive patent trolls, that sue legit and hard working companies, like samsung, based on rectangles and rounded corners, also stole the GUI from Xerox? Steve would never do that."
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Originally Posted by realitychecks
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Quit the nitpicky crap.
We all know exactly what he meant, in context.
To be fair it's better to be safe than sorry. Even today people credit Apple with inventing things they didn't invent. Perfected? Refined? Evolved? Sure. But not invent.
Nobody invented anything. Everything is evolution from something. Even the wheel is an evolution from a square, for practical uses.
It all started with a gigantic fart, and the universe was created.
Thank you.
People think Apple invented the smartphone period (no one here I don't think or on any tech site but out in the world), they think they invented capacitive screens, multi touch, installable apps, MP3 players, tablets, the mouse, the GUI, and that's all I can think of.
There would probably be a lot less resistance to giving credit where credit is due if people didn't try and give ALL credit where it isn't due.
Indeed. There are no vacuums and no one is truly independent.
What this really demonstrates once again that Journalist and Analyst can be bought! And once again, it demonstrate that Apple has be unfairly and inaccurately been bashed since the day Steve Jobs passed away. Maybe Steve was right in not taking crap and it is about time that Tim should top being a gentleman and kick some journalist and analyst asses. Time to Tim to be like Tesla's Elan Musk and do what he did to NYTimes.
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Originally Posted by drblank
Apple only HAD 5 Million units to actually sell. If they had more, they would have sold more. Plus, Apple didn't roll out the iPhone in all of their markets in the first day. Apple has only 200 carriers to sell through and Samsung has 800. With all due respect, Apple has a smaller market to market through with limited mfg capabilities.
I hate it when the journalist spin the situation the way they do, they don't do a FULL analysis of each company, the market, the mfg capabilities, roll out strategy.
Apple sold more iPhone 5's in the same time period as the S3 for the first 6 months.
Everyone knows journalism is dead. Might as well just call it advertising...
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Originally Posted by jungmark
During Job's tenure, Apple sold millions of iPhones before lunch on launch day + recreated markets every week.
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Well, duh!
You certainly do. Enough to want to post multiple times.
Which is a bit weird, given your post......
Who said "invent" (except you)?
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Originally Posted by realitychecks
People think Apple invented the smartphone period (no one here I don't think or on any tech site but out in the world), they think they invented capacitive screens, multi touch, installable apps, MP3 players, tablets, the mouse, the GUI, and that's all I can think of.
There would probably be a lot less resistance to giving credit where credit is due if people didn't try and give ALL credit where it isn't due.
I think what you say is mostly true.
But in the case of the smartphone, for example, yes they existed before the iPhone. Apple didn't invent the smartphone. But they DID invent a MARKET for smartphones. To a somewhat lesser degree, the same is also true for MP3 players. One day they were a rather obscure device that people certainly had, but the market wasn't really all that large. Then, BAM!, and all of a sudden everyone at the coffee shop has little white earbud wires.
So, while it's true that Apple didn't just come up with these things out of the ether (and really, an MP3 is just a refinement on a Walkman, which is just a ... you get the idea), the did create the markets for these devices.
And I'll argue until the day I die that iTunes has changed the world. And no, I'm not being dramatic.
Quit trying to birth a meme using this "flawgic" nonsense. Memes happen when they appeal to people and they want to repeat it. This one is just clumsy and idiotic.
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist
There is an incredible double standard being applied by these so called "analysts". What almost all of them are lacking is perspective. Admittedly Apple has hit a ceiling and it needs to grow sideways if it wants to keep increasing its bottom line. Analysts are crazy about Samsung because Samsung can only go up while Apple can only go down, and that is being reflected in the chatter as well as the stock value.
Apple really does need to re-ignite some excitement in its products. I don't know whether that means entering a new market, improving current products, or revamping iOS itself. Whatever the case may be, though, Apple needs to do something quickly. We will have a better idea of what's happening by this fall. If all we see by then are recycled designs and nothing really new, Apple will be in trouble.
You are either clueless, a troll or possibly a clueless troll when it comes to any Apple product. Putting you on my ignore list.
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Originally Posted by rufwork
Normally Dilger's bias bothers me in his AI articles. They often feel more like homerism than journalism (though I'm finding him to be a great podcast guest), and it's hard to dig out the useful new information.
This time, I was relieved to see the byline. It's become the new media-herd position to say Samsung's up and Apple's down. There's probably some truth to the herd's inspiration -- Apple's level of growth was too meteoric to sustain forever, and Samsung is clearly eating the Android profit pie -- but these biased as crud, lazy headlines are really starting to bug me. It's too easy to ramp up the latest herd-speak in the name of click-mongering.
Thanks, Eran. Or Daniel. Or Dilger.
To be fair, they are (almost always) marked "Editorial" as this one was. An editorial is inherently biased, and does not play by the same rules as standard journalism.
OTOH, as we've learned many times before and from this very editorial, most "journalists" don't play by the standard rules of journalism, either.
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Originally Posted by Loptimist
Have you ever heard of a thing called Micro SD?
So you get persuaded to switch, wonder why KIES cannot sync the music from your iPhone, so have to head back to the store for another purchase.
Great experience, called "not living up to the hype".
Only a ass would credit a gigantic fart in creating the universe.
Really? Let someone say "Apple stole from Xerox", and let's see how many 'nitpickers' pop up.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Quit the nitpicky crap.
We all know exactly what he meant, in context.
Really? Let someone say "Apple stole from Xerox", and let's see how many 'nitpickers' pop up.
"Microsoft saved Apple once, how foolish by them. Did they even knew that those massive patent trolls, that sue legit and hard working companies, like samsung, based on rectangles and rounded corners, also stole the GUI from Xerox?"
I guess this is the most inflammatory sentence ever written.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Quit the nitpicky crap.
We all know exactly what he meant, in context.
Really? Let someone say "Apple stole from Xerox", and let's see how many 'nitpickers' pop up.
In what context would the statement "Apple stole from Xerox" be apt?
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Originally Posted by pedromartins
"Microsoft saved Apple once, how foolish by them. Did they even knew that those massive patent trolls, that sue legit and hard working companies, like samsung, based on rectangles and rounded corners, also stole the GUI from Xerox?"
I guess this is the most inflammatory sentence ever written.
I'm wrong, the best one would be:
"I own several Apple products, and I'm long AAPL, but Microsoft saved Apple once, how foolish by them. Did they even knew that those massive patent trolls, that sue legit and hard working companies, like samsung, based on rectangles and rounded corners, also stole the GUI from Xerox? Steve would never do that."
It wouldn't be apt which is my point.