Well, I certainly hope, no, demand that Apple fix the known, pandemic, bug that everyone has to deal with but Apple has been ignoring for years. You know, the bug I obsess over yet have trouble finding others with the same bug but I know everybody has this bug because I do. If you do a Google search on this bug you get 10,356,427 hits and the Apple Discussion forums has a thread with 368 views so Apple is obviously covering it up. "Don't they test this stuff?®" "Apple's quality has been sliding since Steve died.™"
But, don't worry, 30bit color is a niche feature for only medical imaging, professional photographers, and cinema producers, and we know they've moved to Windows and Linux, so you're right, don't worry because the Mac isn't targeted at professional photography.
I know you are trying to be snarky but you may have hit the nail on the head. Apple has de-emphasized the Mac for number of years now. Jobs admitted years ago that the PC wars were over and Windows won and Apple's primary business is mobile now. What we don't need from those who are upset with certain decisions and directions Apple has chosen are more "Apple is Doomed™" predictions. Because they are not.
I'm still wishing for full multi-monitor support. It's not there in 10.8
The fact that when you take an application to full screen it renders your other two monitors as useless as paperweights has behooved me. I never thought APPL would do something like that, but I'm reminded every time I want to use something in full-screen mode. It's been elven more frustrating that its still an issue after multiple request and several lengthy threads discussing the issue for almost two years (approximating).
Those are built in display, but not the maximum number of displays they can support as evidenced by their video out ports.
What he says is why I haven't really considered an additional display at this point. I would love to use fullscreen apps on one or more monitors but if that disabled those other monitors then what's the point of that feature?
I'd think the fact that Apple only allows the Menu Bar on one display would make Fullscreen apps on the other monitors ideal but that has not been the case since this feature was introduced.
Ratings, tech blogs, customer satisfaction, reviews, recommendations, opinions. Let me know if I haven't listed a "personal" if not "emotional" metric yet.
You didn't read my entire post.
If you really think APPL's computers are literally the "best on the planet" beyond a social or psychological standpoint then you yourself haven't put much thought into it. I'm sorry, but I can not offer links.
I, personally, have seen some very overpowered computers. Including those at C.E.R.N. I can guarantee that Apple's computers are not the "best on the planet".
However from a social point of view, I agree with you. I also use many of their computers.
You're spearing the wrong fish my friend... This fish bites back! LOL!
Oh, and father dearest schools me every day on what's emotional and what's not.
So, by your flawed logic:
A tunned 800hp Fiat Punt is a better car than, for example the 750hp Pagani Huyara.
Well, I certainly hope, no, demand that Apple fix the known, pandemic, bug that everyone has to deal with but Apple has been ignoring for years. You know, the bug I obsess over yet have trouble finding others with the same bug but I know everybody has this bug because I do. If you do a Google search on this bug you get 10,356,427 hits and the Apple Discussion forums has a thread with 368 views so Apple is obviously covering it up. "Don't they test this stuff?®" "Apple's quality has been sliding since Steve died.™"
YOU KNOW, THAT BUG!
Don't be obtuse, son.
10.8 is by far the best OS on the market, but that's no excuse for some stupid bugs that are everywhere and visible. Like taking 30s for my Macbook Air to shut down, as well as rMBPs, while they boot in 5s or so.
It's all about those processes that have to be forced to close. Everyone knows it, yet they are still there.
Other problem is related to those users that vomit things like "Why do you shut it down?". I payed hard earned money for this Machine, these bugs that everyone sees should disappear in one update. There's no excuse. They must find a way to steal the best software engineers and integrate them well on OS X team.
They are Apple, the number one, all the resources. There's no excuse. Period.
But... Yes, they still produce (and that won't change...) the best computers and devices by a large margin.
Ratings, tech blogs, customer satisfaction, reviews, recommendations, opinions. Let me know if I haven't listed a "personal" if not "emotional" metric yet.
You didn't read my entire post.
If you really think APPL's computers are literally the "best on the planet" beyond a social or psychological standpoint then you yourself haven't put much thought into it. I'm sorry, but I can not offer links.
I, personally, have seen some very overpowered computers. Including those at C.E.R.N. I can guarantee that Apple's computers are not the "best on the planet".
However from a social point of view, I agree with you. I also use many of their computers.
You're spearing the wrong fish my friend... This fish bites back! LOL!
Oh, and father dearest schools me every day on what's emotional and what's not.
Best is a highly subjective superlative. You see this used in ads because all it needs to be true is for someone anyone to say it's the best. It's when you get into hard number that things need to be more verifiable and repeatable. Does being more powerful make it better for using?
I have an extended family of techtards™ that have all but given up on their more powerful Macs for the iPad as their primary machine so to them the best machine is the one they 1) can use most effectively, and 2) most enjoy using. From my experience they use their systems much more now and I have to support them less than I did when their primary machine was their Mac; although I do hope we see iOS screensharing demoed in 9 days to make it easier to support them when issues and questions do arise.
They are, physically, but OS X cannot use it. 64-bit Windows 7/8 and 64-bit Linux can use 128 (that's why OWC DOES sell a 128GB set), but OS X can only address 96GB of it.
I seem to remember reading the XServe can handle even more than that, but I can't find it… Not that it matters; people don't have XServes anymore.
Ask Intel. The limits to how much memory the Mac Pro can support is on them, not Apple.
"Upgrade" to 10.6. That OS has multi-monitor support.
Yes Heffe, it does. However something you apparently failed to notice, since you haven't upgraded beyond 10.6, is that there currently is no support for a "full screen" multi-monitor implementation. It gets even less bearable when you are "screen sharing" from two other computers and if you decide to use even just one of them in "full, screen" mode you actually lose the other two computers! Really!?
I do advise that you should upgrade beyond 10.6. You may like some of the new implementations....
Windows does not Tallest. It still shows the memory as available, just like OSX. However with OSX it will just not use the additional memory. With Windows, in Bootcamp, it will Bluescreen and call up "Memory_Management" because Windows has written and tried to retrieve beyond what the hardware supports.
Unfortunately I've seen it too many times to be "just kidding".
Yes Heffe, it does. However something you apparently failed to notice, since you haven't upgraded beyond 10.6, is that there currently is no support for a "full screen" multi-monitor implementation. It gets even less bearable when you are "screen sharing" from two other computers and if you decide to use even just one of them in "full, screen" mode you actually lose the other two computers! Really!?
I do advise that you should upgrade beyond 10.6. You may like some of the new implementations....
How is his comment not being understood. He's clearly aware that you can't upgrade backwards that there is no multi-monitor support for fullscreen apps in 10.7 or 10.8. That's what, at least to me, made his comment funny.
Why can Windows booted on a Mac Pro support more than OS X, then?
Sorry, I didn't notice you stated that you tried it on a Mac Pro. Sol and I were talking about the upper limits of the hardware. As far I I'm informed the Mac Pro can not support 128G ram. Which again is not limited to the opperating system, but it's again another hardware issue.
:Edit:
I'm sorry, I may have been rash. Please tell me how you tested 128G on the Mac Book Pro.
Edit:
(Earlier I thought you wrote Mac Book Pro). Oh, whatever! It only uses 96 whether any OS actually reports the correct amount or not. Including Linux.
How is his comment not being understood. He's clearly aware that you can't upgrade backwards that there is no multi-monitor support for fullscreen apps in 10.7 or 10.8. That's what, at least to me, made his comment funny.
Sorry Sol. I just opened up my email and it went to the last post. Usually I just delete my "AppleInsider" emails. I may have missed a lot in the conversation.
A tunned 800hp Fiat Punt is a better car than, for example the 750hp Pagani Huyara.
Sorry, no.
Strangely, my "flawed logic" makes my living. I'm young and I'm already "by logic" set. Perhaps I'm just inherently flawed, and paid for my flaws.
I'm going to be honest. I don't know anything about cars. At least the cars you're used to seeing. I could show you some cars that would boggle your Huyara mind though. However, I just buy mine so I can drive it.
I understand that you're trying to make a joke towards me, but in the context it still doesn't relate and from what I understand about guys... They get emotional about cars. So you're emotional about both your computer and your car. As long as you, and yourself (two different personas) are happy!
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Well, I certainly hope, no, demand that Apple fix the known, pandemic, bug that everyone has to deal with but Apple has been ignoring for years. You know, the bug I obsess over yet have trouble finding others with the same bug but I know everybody has this bug because I do. If you do a Google search on this bug you get 10,356,427 hits and the Apple Discussion forums has a thread with 368 views so Apple is obviously covering it up. "Don't they test this stuff?®" "Apple's quality has been sliding since Steve died.™"
YOU KNOW, THAT BUG!
Fixed that for you ...
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Originally Posted by ecs
But, don't worry, 30bit color is a niche feature for only medical imaging, professional photographers, and cinema producers, and we know they've moved to Windows and Linux, so you're right, don't worry because the Mac isn't targeted at professional photography.
I know you are trying to be snarky but you may have hit the nail on the head. Apple has de-emphasized the Mac for number of years now. Jobs admitted years ago that the PC wars were over and Windows won and Apple's primary business is mobile now. What we don't need from those who are upset with certain decisions and directions Apple has chosen are more "Apple is Doomed™" predictions. Because they are not.
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Originally Posted by Vadania
I'm still wishing for full multi-monitor support. It's not there in 10.8
The fact that when you take an application to full screen it renders your other two monitors as useless as paperweights has behooved me. I never thought APPL would do something like that, but I'm reminded every time I want to use something in full-screen mode. It's been elven more frustrating that its still an issue after multiple request and several lengthy threads discussing the issue for almost two years (approximating).
Crossing my fingers for 10.9!
iMacs and laptops only have one screen.
Those are built in display, but not the maximum number of displays they can support as evidenced by their video out ports.
What he says is why I haven't really considered an additional display at this point. I would love to use fullscreen apps on one or more monitors but if that disabled those other monitors then what's the point of that feature?
I'd think the fact that Apple only allows the Menu Bar on one display would make Fullscreen apps on the other monitors ideal but that has not been the case since this feature was introduced.
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Originally Posted by Vadania
Still making an emotional statement.
Ratings, tech blogs, customer satisfaction, reviews, recommendations, opinions. Let me know if I haven't listed a "personal" if not "emotional" metric yet.
You didn't read my entire post.
If you really think APPL's computers are literally the "best on the planet" beyond a social or psychological standpoint then you yourself haven't put much thought into it. I'm sorry, but I can not offer links.
I, personally, have seen some very overpowered computers. Including those at C.E.R.N. I can guarantee that Apple's computers are not the "best on the planet".
However from a social point of view, I agree with you. I also use many of their computers.
You're spearing the wrong fish my friend... This fish bites back! LOL!
Oh, and father dearest schools me every day on what's emotional and what's not.
So, by your flawed logic:
A tunned 800hp Fiat Punt is a better car than, for example the 750hp Pagani Huyara.
Sorry, no.
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Originally Posted by lkrupp
Well, I certainly hope, no, demand that Apple fix the known, pandemic, bug that everyone has to deal with but Apple has been ignoring for years. You know, the bug I obsess over yet have trouble finding others with the same bug but I know everybody has this bug because I do. If you do a Google search on this bug you get 10,356,427 hits and the Apple Discussion forums has a thread with 368 views so Apple is obviously covering it up. "Don't they test this stuff?®" "Apple's quality has been sliding since Steve died.™"
YOU KNOW, THAT BUG!
Don't be obtuse, son.
10.8 is by far the best OS on the market, but that's no excuse for some stupid bugs that are everywhere and visible. Like taking 30s for my Macbook Air to shut down, as well as rMBPs, while they boot in 5s or so.
It's all about those processes that have to be forced to close. Everyone knows it, yet they are still there.
Other problem is related to those users that vomit things like "Why do you shut it down?". I payed hard earned money for this Machine, these bugs that everyone sees should disappear in one update. There's no excuse. They must find a way to steal the best software engineers and integrate them well on OS X team.
They are Apple, the number one, all the resources. There's no excuse. Period.
But... Yes, they still produce (and that won't change...) the best computers and devices by a large margin.
Best is a highly subjective superlative. You see this used in ads because all it needs to be true is for someone anyone to say it's the best. It's when you get into hard number that things need to be more verifiable and repeatable. Does being more powerful make it better for using?
I have an extended family of techtards™ that have all but given up on their more powerful Macs for the iPad as their primary machine so to them the best machine is the one they 1) can use most effectively, and 2) most enjoy using. From my experience they use their systems much more now and I have to support them less than I did when their primary machine was their Mac; although I do hope we see iOS screensharing demoed in 9 days to make it easier to support them when issues and questions do arise.
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Originally Posted by heffeque
"Upgrade" to 10.6. That OS has multi-monitor support.
You know that you can't just upgrade a new computer to an old OS, right?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
They are, physically, but OS X cannot use it. 64-bit Windows 7/8 and 64-bit Linux can use 128 (that's why OWC DOES sell a 128GB set), but OS X can only address 96GB of it.
I seem to remember reading the XServe can handle even more than that, but I can't find it… Not that it matters; people don't have XServes anymore.
Ask Intel. The limits to how much memory the Mac Pro can support is on them, not Apple.
Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer
Ask Intel. The limits to how much memory the Mac Pro can support is on them, not Apple.
Why can Windows booted on a Mac Pro support more than OS X, then?
Yes Heffe, it does. However something you apparently failed to notice, since you haven't upgraded beyond 10.6, is that there currently is no support for a "full screen" multi-monitor implementation. It gets even less bearable when you are "screen sharing" from two other computers and if you decide to use even just one of them in "full, screen" mode you actually lose the other two computers! Really!?
I do advise that you should upgrade beyond 10.6. You may like some of the new implementations....
Unfortunately I've seen it too many times to be "just kidding".
How is his comment not being understood. He's clearly aware that you can't upgrade backwards that there is no multi-monitor support for fullscreen apps in 10.7 or 10.8. That's what, at least to me, made his comment funny.
Sorry, I didn't notice you stated that you tried it on a Mac Pro. Sol and I were talking about the upper limits of the hardware. As far I I'm informed the Mac Pro can not support 128G ram. Which again is not limited to the opperating system, but it's again another hardware issue.
:Edit:
I'm sorry, I may have been rash. Please tell me how you tested 128G on the Mac Book Pro.
Edit:
(Earlier I thought you wrote Mac Book Pro). Oh, whatever! It only uses 96 whether any OS actually reports the correct amount or not. Including Linux.
Sorry Sol. I just opened up my email and it went to the last post. Usually I just delete my "AppleInsider" emails. I may have missed a lot in the conversation.
Not the best day I've had so please forgive me.
Strangely, my "flawed logic" makes my living. I'm young and I'm already "by logic" set. Perhaps I'm just inherently flawed, and paid for my flaws.
I'm going to be honest. I don't know anything about cars. At least the cars you're used to seeing. I could show you some cars that would boggle your Huyara mind though. However, I just buy mine so I can drive it.
I understand that you're trying to make a joke towards me, but in the context it still doesn't relate and from what I understand about guys... They get emotional about cars. So you're emotional about both your computer and your car. As long as you, and yourself (two different personas) are happy!
Originally Posted by Vadania
Oh, whatever! It only uses 96 whether any OS actually reports the correct amount or not. Including Linux.
That's just wrong, though.