US DOJ points to Steve Jobs email as 'smoking gun' in e-book trial [Update: email was draft]

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  • Reply 21 of 85
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by starbird73 View Post





    Can Apple appeal? I argue they should be able to get this case thrown out. The judge already gave her opinion before the trial started.


     


    Of course, to the Supreme court which I expect they will do as soon as this judge finds them guilty, as she already publicly pronounced Apple to be, prior to the trial.


     


    Mistrial and a gross miscarriage of justice.

  • Reply 22 of 85


    Very discouraging that the judge sustained the objection.

  • Reply 23 of 85
    yojimbo007yojimbo007 Posts: 1,165member
    Doj is acting like a lowlife....
    Trying to spin facts and context. by presenting a draft that was never sent . Yet avoiding the real e-mail that was sent...

    this is the department of Justic of USA?
    WOW !!!
  • Reply 24 of 85
    christophbchristophb Posts: 1,482member
    yojimbo007 wrote: »
    Doj is acting like a lowlife....
    Trying to spin facts and context. by presenting a draft that was never sent . Yet avoiding the real e-mail that was sent...

    this is the department of Justic of USA?
    WOW !!!
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    LEO and prosecutors are allowed to lie to you; permitted to deceive for the suspected greater good. The Justice Department - even their name is deceiving.
  • Reply 25 of 85
    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fast Fred View Post


    You mean the government is reading Mr. Jobs email.....isn't that illegal..isn't that a violation of his 2nd amendent rights.



    You're suggesting this occurred prior to this email surfacing as a part of the investigation? It's highly unlikely that they obtained that by illegal means. Also what does it have to do with the second amendment? Somehow I'm guessing it's a reference to some topic from political outsider. I don't read that section, but it's obvious you didn't mean for that to be interpreted literally. I'm guessing it's a joke about recent second amendment press?


     


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post



    Quite thin. And ridiculous.



    What a waste of taxpayer resources.




    I would agree with that.

  • Reply 26 of 85
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member

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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


     


    "Thought crimes" are here, it looks like Orwell was out by three decades.



     


    It's time to send in Tom Cruise from the PreCrime Police Force...


     



     


    I think I'm starting to understand the Government program here:


     


    10 US Government (DoJ) wastes taxpayer money going after Apple


    20 US Government Spending Spree (which contributes to Financial Crisis)


    30 US Government (Senate) pressures Apple to pay additional tax


    40 Goto 10

  • Reply 27 of 85
    christophbchristophb Posts: 1,482member
    gtr wrote: »
    It's time to send in Tom Cruise from the PreCrime Police Force...

    <img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="26676" data-type="61" height="223" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/content/type/61/id/26676/width/350/height/700/flags/LL" style="; width: 350px; height: 223px;" width="350">


    I think I'm starting to understand the Government program here:

    10 US Government (DoJ) wastes taxpayer money going after Apple
    20 US Government Spending Spree (which contributes to Financial Crisis)
    30 US Government (Senate) pressures Apple to pay additional tax
    40 Goto 10

    You left out "Apple hires former cabinet secretary"
  • Reply 28 of 85
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,384member


    So this email wasn't even sent...and the sent version was nothing like it.So they want to burn Apple because of an opinion that Steve Jobs had, which he never even ended up communicating? I gave the DOJ too much credit in my previous post. 


     


    Unbelievable. 

  • Reply 29 of 85
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    christophb wrote: »
    You left out "Apple hires former cabinet secretary"

    I do have a tendency to leave out points of data that I am not aware of.

    Are you able to provide more information on this, and what you are inferring?
  • Reply 30 of 85


    How can a gun smoke when it hasn't been fired?


     


    This 'email' was never sent so it never was an email


     


     


    Quote:


    email |?i?me?l|(also e-mail )noun [ mass noun ]messages distributed by electronic means from one computer user to one or more recipients via a network: reading email has become the first task of the morning | [ count noun ] we received thousands of emails.• the system of sending messages by electronic means: a contract communicated by email.

     




    As this was never send but purely a draft it doesn't even qualify under the dictionary definition.


     


    If this is the best the DOJ can do they are going to be seriously embarrassed.

  • Reply 31 of 85

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GTR View Post




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ChristophB View Post



    You left out "Apple hires former cabinet secretary"




    I do have a tendency to leave out points of data that I am not aware of.



    Are you able to provide more information on this, and what you are inferring?


    He is referring to Apple's recent hiring of Lisa Jackson, former head of Obama's EPA.

  • Reply 32 of 85
    christophbchristophb Posts: 1,482member
    gtr wrote: »
    I do have a tendency to leave out points of data that I am not aware of.

    Are you able to provide more information on this, and what you are inferring?

    Sorry, was reported here at AI. Hiring for influence peddling is part of the game. Perhaps Al's [Gore] star is fading.

    Edit: Realized Al could look like AI.
  • Reply 33 of 85
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    He is referring to Apple's recent hiring of Lisa Jackson, former head of Obama's EPA.



    AKA - "Richard Windsor", who was even awarded a certificate, go figure.

  • Reply 34 of 85
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    christophb wrote: »
    Sorry, was reported here at AI. Hiring for influence peddling is part of the game. Perhaps Al's star is fading.

    Gotcha.

    Considering the amount of criticism that they've copped recently regarding environmental issues by Google/Samsung shills...sorry...I mean genuine, caring members of the environment-loving public, then hiring an experienced individual from the EPA doesn't first strike me as attempting to exert influence over the government.

    If Apple have finally decided to play the same way as many other companies then I wish them nothing but the best.

    Fill a quarter of 'The Mothership' with lobbyists for all I care.
  • Reply 35 of 85
    christophbchristophb Posts: 1,482member
    gtr wrote: »
    Gotcha..

    Yep. Play the game until the game changes. Perhaps Holder is bucking for a chief counsel position. Oh the irony.

    Edit: GTR updated his thoughts.
  • Reply 36 of 85
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    The current DoJ is corrupt as hell? Suck on a long big pile of bullspit. The prior DoJ was Hooverian by comparison.
  • Reply 37 of 85
    uhh.... why is the claimed "draft" time stamped after the supposedly sent email???

    Personally my drafts are prior to the sent, not after.... just saying...
  • Reply 38 of 85


    and why is there a received date, when something wasn't "sent"?

  • Reply 39 of 85


    Who are these clowns? Jobs was replying to Cue's email, which states quite clearly: "The other point I want to get is lowering the price while the book is on the NYT Bestseller List. This will be hard to get because they will be losing an additional $1.40, but we should try."


     


    In other words, for those with poor English comprehension skills, Eddy was trying to get the publishers to lower their price. Which is the smoking gun that defeats the DOJ's antitrust case.

  • Reply 40 of 85
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,198member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    I will be deploying additional encryption methods very soon in order to protect myself from unwanted intrusion by hostile forces.



    I commend you for this and would encourage everyone to do the same, but keep in mind that the who's who of our communications are highly informative by themselves and even encrypted e-mail still includes the addresses of the sender and recipient(s) in clear text within the message header. Similarly, the call logs obtained by the NSA reveal the networks of people we all communicate with and yield important information about our individual activities without the need to intercept the actual conversations.

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