I find the prospects of a low-cost iPhone interesting -- may help Apple grab more of the low cost market away from Windows and Android and win the lower-priced market kinda like they did with the MP3 market by releasing the iPod shuffle and iPod mini.
I created a comic that mentions this low-cost iPhone and the rumored iWatch and will add more comics -- trying to make my long-time Apple interest more productive You can see it here: http://www.technewshound.com/2013/06/apple-iwatch.html
Wrong. Completely wrong. Apple doesn't want everyone in their ecosystem. Why should they? Their ecosystem is just a way to sell you the product you want.
Look at the percentage or earnings and growth by groups. You will find out the are becoming slowly what they clam to be: a software company. However, both is wrong, they are actually besoming a strong digital era company, where ecosystem and products support each other for the benefit of user. THey are making inseparable coherence of products and services.
I find the prospects of a low-cost iPhone interesting -- may help Apple grab more of the low cost market away from Windows and Android and win the lower-priced market kinda like they did with the MP3 market by releasing the iPod shuffle and iPod mini.
I created a comic that mentions this low-cost iPhone and the rumored iWatch and will add more comics -- trying to make my long-time Apple interest more productive You can see it here: http://www.technewshound.com/2013/06/apple-iwatch.html
Look at the percentage or earnings and growth by groups. You will find out the are becoming slowly what they clam to be: a software company. However, both is wrong, they are actually besoming a strong digital era company, where ecosystem and products support each other for the benefit of user. THey are making inseparable coherence of products and services.
That doesn't mean they need everyone to be in their ecosystem. Like I said, the danger of Apple is when they are being seen everywhere.
But if they can find a way to make cheaper iPhone that serve some market segment well like they did with iPod then that's fine by me. But not cheaper for the sake of market share. That's dangerous.
That doesn't mean they need everyone to be in their ecosystem. Like I said, the danger of Apple is when they are being seen everywhere.
But if they can find a way to make cheaper iPhone that serve some market segment well like they did with iPod then that's fine by me. But not cheaper for the sake of market share. That's dangerous.
Everyone is of course strong word. I don't believe either Apple wants classic Android i-want-all-for-free customers, but they surely want to be accessible to everybody, not just to premium market segment. I don't believe for a second that "cheaper" will produce cheap product. Not by Apple. I remember late SJ saying: "we don't know how to make cheap notebook...". They made iPad instead. When iPhone Cheaper comes out I am pretty much sure people all over the place will wonder how the hell Apple could make such a fantastic device for such a reasonable money...
Everyone is of course strong word. I don't believe either Apple wants classic Android i-want-all-for-free customers, but they surely want to be accessible to everybody, not just to premium market segment. I don't believe for a second that "cheaper" will produce cheap product. Not by Apple. I remember late SJ saying: "we don't know how to make cheap notebook...". They made iPad instead. When iPhone Cheaper comes out I am pretty much sure people all over the place will wonder how the hell Apple could make such a fantastic device for such a reasonable money...
The question you should ask is: did they ever make a cheaper iPod classic with different material? The one that has the same size, the same function as iPod classic but different material and sold cheaper for the sake of market share? If they do something like this now, they'll cease to be the Apple we used to admire. They will be just a bean counter.
The question you should ask is: did they ever make a cheaper iPod classic with different material? The one that has the same size, the same function as iPod classic but different material and sold cheaper for the sake of market share? If they do something like this now, they'll cease to be the Apple we used to admire. They will be just a bean counter.
You certainly have the point here: cheaper here doesn't mean smaller as it has with iPods, this is true. Making it cheaper will cause it necessary to use different materials, cheaper materials, but not cheap. I still believe their cheaper phone will be something to admire. So will be Apple. Things change, so does Apple, Had changed already many times. But I still admire them.
I'm actually amazed, how many people still don't understand that. Apple did this before with iPod and much sooner than they will with iPhones. While I might somehow understand that bigger screen iPhone was barely an option due to too big performance tradeoffs when trying to make it instantly compatible with screen resolution schema, I cannot understand why the hell did they wait for so long with lower cost iPhone....
They started only when all the statistic numbers starting to wind down strongly, thus showing to the world weaknesses and bad judgements. Having released iPhone Cheaper before, at least one year ago, market share cut in premium range and total would be easily compensated with mid-range and growing number of users as a "software company" as they claim to be...
This was and is plain and simple business cock up, especially when considering what a crap is any Android phone below premium range. Apple cannot do something shitty like that even intentionally...
I think you're listening to the pundits too much, I don't see that Apple is in trouble at all. They are making the cheaper iPhone at just the right time IMO. They are still on top, and the market is only now starting to saturate at the high end. As long as they bring it out late this year, or early next everything will be fine.
I think you're listening to the pundits too much, I don't see that Apple is in trouble at all. They are making the cheaper iPhone at just the right time IMO. They are still on top, and the market is only now starting to saturate at the high end. As long as they bring it out late this year, or early next everything will be fine.
I strongly hope you are right. Time will show. I couldn't care less about pundits, but instead of zillions of aShits I'd rather see iPhones. Even today. Especially in Europe.
I would buy the cheaper iPhone. I don't own one now only because I have no need for an expensive data plan because literally everywhere I go has wifi.
If they came out with a more affordable iPhone it would mean that whatever company I buy it from wouldn't either need to work so hard to subsidize the cost which means I could pay less per month or the cost for the device itself would be less.
I just basically need a phone to talk on, sends texts and check email and my calendar from time to time. I don't give a crap about editing video or pictures on a phone or FaceTime.
Lastly, I really do think Apple has reached a saturation point as far as the kind of customers it's going to reach with the current iPhone. Will it gain more, of course. Kids will grow up and get them and beyond that others will choose to move from Android to Apple and people will upgrade their phones but the kind of exponential growth from the previous years are not as likely. As a company, you never want to become stagnant as far as your growth. Once you begin to lose momentum you become stagnant and that eventually leads to death unless you can miraculously turn it around.(And trust me, you need a Steve Jobs type person to pull that off)
By the way, I'm not an Apple hater. I love Apple. I have an iPad mini and a Macbook Air and an Apple TV and iPod. I want to see Apple continue to have exponential growth.
I'm actually amazed, how many people still don't understand that. Apple did this before with iPod and much sooner than they will with iPhones. While I might somehow understand that bigger screen iPhone was barely an option due to too big performance tradeoffs when trying to make it instantly compatible with screen resolution schema, I cannot understand why the hell did they wait for so long with lower cost iPhone....
They started only when all the statistic numbers starting to wind down strongly, thus showing to the world weaknesses and bad judgements. Having released iPhone Cheaper before, at least one year ago, market share cut in premium range and total would be easily compensated with mid-range and growing number of users as a "software company" as they claim to be...
This was and is plain and simple business cock up, especially when considering what a crap is any Android phone below premium range. Apple cannot do something shitty like that even intentionally...
iPhone market is not identical to iPod market. The differentiation amongst Shuffle, Nano, Touch and Classic cannot be duplicated with phones unless Apple wants to make a feature phone. The failure to understand that you're yelling about is entirely yours.
I think you're listening to the pundits too much, I don't see that Apple is in trouble at all. They are making the cheaper iPhone at just the right time IMO. They are still on top, and the market is only now starting to saturate at the high end. As long as they bring it out late this year, or early next everything will be fine.
iPhone market is not identical to iPod market. The differentiation amongst Shuffle, Nano, Touch and Classic cannot be duplicated with phones unless Apple wants to make a feature phone. The failure to understand that you're yelling about is entirely yours.
The point is there is a cheap alternative, like the iPod touch.
At this point the anti-Cheap iPhone brigade - a thing I never understood anyway ( why would Apple fans want them to sell fewer phones?) - should lick their wounds and shy away from debates. We will only take a little bit of the piss.
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I created a comic that mentions this low-cost iPhone and the rumored iWatch and will add more comics -- trying to make my long-time Apple interest more productive You can see it here: http://www.technewshound.com/2013/06/apple-iwatch.html
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Originally Posted by matrix07
Wrong. Completely wrong. Apple doesn't want everyone in their ecosystem. Why should they? Their ecosystem is just a way to sell you the product you want.
Look at the percentage or earnings and growth by groups. You will find out the are becoming slowly what they clam to be: a software company. However, both is wrong, they are actually besoming a strong digital era company, where ecosystem and products support each other for the benefit of user. THey are making inseparable coherence of products and services.
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Originally Posted by technewshound
I find the prospects of a low-cost iPhone interesting -- may help Apple grab more of the low cost market away from Windows and Android and win the lower-priced market kinda like they did with the MP3 market by releasing the iPod shuffle and iPod mini.
I created a comic that mentions this low-cost iPhone and the rumored iWatch and will add more comics -- trying to make my long-time Apple interest more productive You can see it here: http://www.technewshound.com/2013/06/apple-iwatch.html
Excellent! You showed the point.
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Originally Posted by poksi
Look at the percentage or earnings and growth by groups. You will find out the are becoming slowly what they clam to be: a software company. However, both is wrong, they are actually besoming a strong digital era company, where ecosystem and products support each other for the benefit of user. THey are making inseparable coherence of products and services.
That doesn't mean they need everyone to be in their ecosystem. Like I said, the danger of Apple is when they are being seen everywhere.
But if they can find a way to make cheaper iPhone that serve some market segment well like they did with iPod then that's fine by me. But not cheaper for the sake of market share. That's dangerous.
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Originally Posted by matrix07
That doesn't mean they need everyone to be in their ecosystem. Like I said, the danger of Apple is when they are being seen everywhere.
But if they can find a way to make cheaper iPhone that serve some market segment well like they did with iPod then that's fine by me. But not cheaper for the sake of market share. That's dangerous.
Everyone is of course strong word. I don't believe either Apple wants classic Android i-want-all-for-free customers, but they surely want to be accessible to everybody, not just to premium market segment. I don't believe for a second that "cheaper" will produce cheap product. Not by Apple. I remember late SJ saying: "we don't know how to make cheap notebook...". They made iPad instead. When iPhone Cheaper comes out I am pretty much sure people all over the place will wonder how the hell Apple could make such a fantastic device for such a reasonable money...
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Originally Posted by poksi
Everyone is of course strong word. I don't believe either Apple wants classic Android i-want-all-for-free customers, but they surely want to be accessible to everybody, not just to premium market segment. I don't believe for a second that "cheaper" will produce cheap product. Not by Apple. I remember late SJ saying: "we don't know how to make cheap notebook...". They made iPad instead. When iPhone Cheaper comes out I am pretty much sure people all over the place will wonder how the hell Apple could make such a fantastic device for such a reasonable money...
The question you should ask is: did they ever make a cheaper iPod classic with different material? The one that has the same size, the same function as iPod classic but different material and sold cheaper for the sake of market share? If they do something like this now, they'll cease to be the Apple we used to admire. They will be just a bean counter.
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Originally Posted by matrix07
The question you should ask is: did they ever make a cheaper iPod classic with different material? The one that has the same size, the same function as iPod classic but different material and sold cheaper for the sake of market share? If they do something like this now, they'll cease to be the Apple we used to admire. They will be just a bean counter.
You certainly have the point here: cheaper here doesn't mean smaller as it has with iPods, this is true. Making it cheaper will cause it necessary to use different materials, cheaper materials, but not cheap. I still believe their cheaper phone will be something to admire. So will be Apple. Things change, so does Apple, Had changed already many times. But I still admire them.
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Terrible colors.
One word describes it for me: BLECH!!
They won't have the colours in the picture unless they are also made out of rubber. The material significantly changes the colour.
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Originally Posted by poksi
I'm actually amazed, how many people still don't understand that. Apple did this before with iPod and much sooner than they will with iPhones. While I might somehow understand that bigger screen iPhone was barely an option due to too big performance tradeoffs when trying to make it instantly compatible with screen resolution schema, I cannot understand why the hell did they wait for so long with lower cost iPhone....
They started only when all the statistic numbers starting to wind down strongly, thus showing to the world weaknesses and bad judgements. Having released iPhone Cheaper before, at least one year ago, market share cut in premium range and total would be easily compensated with mid-range and growing number of users as a "software company" as they claim to be...
This was and is plain and simple business cock up, especially when considering what a crap is any Android phone below premium range. Apple cannot do something shitty like that even intentionally...
I think you're listening to the pundits too much, I don't see that Apple is in trouble at all. They are making the cheaper iPhone at just the right time IMO. They are still on top, and the market is only now starting to saturate at the high end. As long as they bring it out late this year, or early next everything will be fine.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
I think you're listening to the pundits too much, I don't see that Apple is in trouble at all. They are making the cheaper iPhone at just the right time IMO. They are still on top, and the market is only now starting to saturate at the high end. As long as they bring it out late this year, or early next everything will be fine.
I strongly hope you are right. Time will show. I couldn't care less about pundits, but instead of zillions of aShits I'd rather see iPhones. Even today. Especially in Europe.
If they came out with a more affordable iPhone it would mean that whatever company I buy it from wouldn't either need to work so hard to subsidize the cost which means I could pay less per month or the cost for the device itself would be less.
I just basically need a phone to talk on, sends texts and check email and my calendar from time to time. I don't give a crap about editing video or pictures on a phone or FaceTime.
Lastly, I really do think Apple has reached a saturation point as far as the kind of customers it's going to reach with the current iPhone. Will it gain more, of course. Kids will grow up and get them and beyond that others will choose to move from Android to Apple and people will upgrade their phones but the kind of exponential growth from the previous years are not as likely. As a company, you never want to become stagnant as far as your growth. Once you begin to lose momentum you become stagnant and that eventually leads to death unless you can miraculously turn it around.(And trust me, you need a Steve Jobs type person to pull that off)
By the way, I'm not an Apple hater. I love Apple. I have an iPad mini and a Macbook Air and an Apple TV and iPod. I want to see Apple continue to have exponential growth.
They'll also release Apple brand nail polish and lipstick to match those colors. Those phones scream teenagers!
You're not the market for the "cheaper iPhone", and you probably don't even live in a country where it would be offered, even if it did exist.
Blah blah blah.
iPhone market is not identical to iPod market. The differentiation amongst Shuffle, Nano, Touch and Classic cannot be duplicated with phones unless Apple wants to make a feature phone. The failure to understand that you're yelling about is entirely yours.
Everything will be fine too if they don't.
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You're not the market for the "cheaper iPhone", and you probably don't even live in a country where it would be offered, even if it did exist.
Blah blah blah.
Apparently that country has people who can afford iPads, Macbook Airs and so on.
Except for the tiniest parts of sub-Saharan africa there is no part on earth where mobile phones do not sell.
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Originally Posted by ankleskater
iPhone market is not identical to iPod market. The differentiation amongst Shuffle, Nano, Touch and Classic cannot be duplicated with phones unless Apple wants to make a feature phone. The failure to understand that you're yelling about is entirely yours.
The point is there is a cheap alternative, like the iPod touch.
At this point the anti-Cheap iPhone brigade - a thing I never understood anyway ( why would Apple fans want them to sell fewer phones?) - should lick their wounds and shy away from debates. We will only take a little bit of the piss.