Editorial: iOS 7 shows how Apple is leading mobile computing

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  • Reply 161 of 312
    pedromartinspedromartins Posts: 1,333member

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    Then Apple will silence a lot of the bashings from the media I truly believe.




    What, via battery life? I don't think so.


    Besides they would scream Steve would've never allow a fatter device, so the stock would drop to 2 dollars and the moon would fall into wall street.

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    mechanicmechanic Posts: 805member

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    This article is a biased piece of garbage. What a waste of my time.


    And you registering for this one troll post is a waste of our time.

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  • Reply 163 of 312
    mechanicmechanic Posts: 805member

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    Originally Posted by kelsocolt View Post



    I'm sorry there guy, that is a delusional piece of journalism!

    You need to look at the real world and how you Iconic company you so odvously worship has fallen Way behind its competitors !! Take there half ass attempt at a larger screen !! Turn your I phone 5 sideways use it's own camera and you have a picture that doesn't even fit the screen! HUGE FAIL!!

    A desperate attempt to release a candy colored interface that's using interface adaptations from everyone, filters , parallax a STILL Unfinished Maps , Siri that's so slow in its response makes it useless..

    Oh and the public just can't wait for the brand new Plastic iPhone 5S. ( guess going green isn't that important anymore ) all with that same size Usless longer screen! Face the facts .. This is not your Steve Jobs Apple anymore ! This is a company that's clearly lost its way Again , Even ask The Waz.



    The next time you decide to do a pice on Apple try to make it at lease sound like you don't kneel down before a framed picture of an Apple on a pedestal and chant , they'll see , they'll see !



    Sorry but you just sounded bitter through that entire article it was tough not to feel sorry for you.


    Another register for single anti apple post shill/troll, and its Woz for Wozniak not Waz.

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  • Reply 164 of 312
    mechanicmechanic Posts: 805member

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    Steve is nothing. Steve wasn't a designer, Steve wasn't an engineer. Steve was a big child that wanted things like "that" and was smart enough to surround himself with the best professionals in the world, the ones that could make his wishes a reality.


     


    They learned what Steve had to teach, they grow and they became better.


     


    Do you even know who Jony Ive is? A much more talented man than Steve could hope to be. And I (and the world, soon enough) think that his approach is the right one.


     


    Apple has learned, and is better than ever.



    One of the most uncanny abilities Jobs Ever had was to find super brilliant people, Ive being one of the best.

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  • Reply 165 of 312
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member

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    What, via battery life? I don't think so.


    This is a little known secret of iOS and OS X vs all the competitors.  Apple OSs are more efficient.  Appple has taken advantage by making its product thinner and lighter instead of lasting longer. But mobile computing makes lasting longer more important to users.  

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    mechanicmechanic Posts: 805member

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    "then (IBM) with its PowerPC chip initiative that breathed its last gasp of PC air in 2005"



    Wasn't Apple also a major part of that PowerPC initiative?


    The "Last Gasp of Air" he was referring to was apple dropping the PPC in 2005.  Basically the last mainstream desktop computer to use the PPC.  Which was the G5.  Apple then changed over to Intel for all of its desktops.

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  • Reply 167 of 312
    mechanicmechanic Posts: 805member

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    Originally Posted by JedidiaLongtree View Post


    iOS is pretty much dead with the release of the 7th version. They need to put Scott Forstall back in charge. The sooner they realize that , the better.



    Another Oh lets register so I can make a single negative post for my first post, troll/shill.

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    grunt56grunt56 Posts: 3member
    "The WinTel partners erected substantial barriers to entry that ensured nobody else could directly compete in PCs. This arrangement only ended when the complacency and lack of competitive advancement by Intel and Microsoft reached a point where both parties failed to recognize and actively address the emergence of mobile computing."

    Lack of competitive advancement defines exactly what Apple has done with iOS up to now. It's not innovating anymore, just playing catch-up. You can safely compare iOS to Windows XP and think of all of its iterations up to version 6 as "Service Packs". Now with iOS7 they are finally doing something different but what remains to be seen is if iOS7 will be Apple's "Vista" failure or "Windows 7" success. Like Microsoft, Apple stopped innovating while trying to cash on its market leadership.

    Say what you want about Google but their rate and pace of innovation on Android surpassed iOS by far in the last couple of years. There's not a single feature on iOS7 that sets it apart from the already existing ones from its competitors operating systems. All the way back from 2007 to 2010 you couldn't say the same... Apple was always ahead of the competition, unfortunately not anymore.
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  • Reply 169 of 312
    mechanicmechanic Posts: 805member

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    "The WinTel partners erected substantial barriers to entry that ensured nobody else could directly compete in PCs. This arrangement only ended when the complacency and lack of competitive advancement by Intel and Microsoft reached a point where both parties failed to recognize and actively address the emergence of mobile computing."



    Lack of competitive advancement defines exactly what Apple has done with iOS up to now. It's not innovating anymore, just playing catch-up. You can safely compare iOS to Windows XP and think of all of its iterations up to version 6 as "Service Packs". Now with iOS7 they are finally doing something different but what remains to be seen is if iOS7 will be Apple's "Vista" failure or "Windows 7" success. Like Microsoft, Apple stopped innovating while trying to cash on its market leadership.



    Say what you want about Google but their rate and pace of innovation on Android surpassed iOS by far in the last couple of years. There's not a single feature on iOS7 that sets it apart from the already existing ones from its competitors operating systems. All the way back from 2007 to 2010 you couldn't say the same... Apple was always ahead of the competition, unfortunately not anymore.


    Another shill/troll negative first post.

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  • Reply 170 of 312
    grunt56grunt56 Posts: 3member


    Sorry, didn't realize you're not supposed to have a different opinion from the one expressed in the article... 


    Apparently you're the troll here, fanboy

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  • Reply 171 of 312
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,481member

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    This article is a biased piece of garbage. What a waste of my time.


    I'm sure you just love a good Apple bashing article.  GOOOOOO Google!!!!!!!  You're on the wrong site.

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  • Reply 172 of 312

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    And you registering for this one troll post is a waste of our time.



     


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    Another register for single anti apple post shill/troll, and its Woz for Wozniak not Waz.



     


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    Another Oh lets register so I can make a single negative post for my first post, troll/shill.



    who are you? local constable image


     


    I say what I think and I dont like what "new" Apple has done to iOS. 

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  • Reply 173 of 312
    pendergastpendergast Posts: 1,358member
    grunt56 wrote: »

    Say what you want about Google but their rate and pace of innovation on Android surpassed iOS by far in the last couple of years. There's not a single feature on iOS7 that sets it apart from the already existing ones from its competitors operating systems. All the way back from 2007 to 2010 you couldn't say the same... Apple was always ahead of the competition, unfortunately not anymore.

    Doing something first doesn't mean that it was done right. The iPhone didn't do anything "new" when it was released either.
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  • Reply 174 of 312
    pendergastpendergast Posts: 1,358member

    who are you? local constable <img alt="1biggrin.gif" id="user_yui_3_10_0_1_1372038107621_1125" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies/1biggrin.gif" style="line-height:1.231;" name="user_yui_3_10_0_1_1372038107621_1125">


    I say what I think and I dont like what "new" Apple has done to iOS. 

    No problem, but we're just going to laugh at you for being a Forstall worshiper and proclaiming iOS 7 "dead" without ever using it.
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  • Reply 175 of 312

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    Very well described.  However, I think here is an advantage that Apple should exploit.  Instead of making the 5S as thin as 5, Apple should increase its battery life to 12 hours.  Then Apple will silence a lot of the bashings from the media I truly believe.  



     


    So this is the problem I have with "the media" bashing Apple: are they customers to just a cabal of self-appointed tastemakers who try to come between Apple and their (real) customers? If you had said it was Apple's customers who were complaining about battery life (and they really were), it would be different.

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  • Reply 176 of 312

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    No problem, but we're just going to laugh at you for being a Forstall worshiper and proclaiming iOS 7 "dead" without ever using it.


    I'm not his worshiper but the guy could deliver. He did a decent job as the single head of iOS software. We'll see if this Ive/Federighi hybrid can do better.

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  • Reply 177 of 312
    Dan_Dilgerdan_dilger Posts: 1,584member
    grunt56 wrote: »
    "The WinTel partners erected substantial barriers to entry that ensured nobody else could directly compete in PCs. This arrangement only ended when the complacency and lack of competitive advancement by Intel and Microsoft reached a point where both parties failed to recognize and actively address the emergence of mobile computing."

    Lack of competitive advancement defines exactly what Apple has done with iOS up to now. It's not innovating anymore, just playing catch-up. You can safely compare iOS to Windows XP and think of all of its iterations up to version 6 as "Service Packs". Now with iOS7 they are finally doing something different but what remains to be seen is if iOS7 will be Apple's "Vista" failure or "Windows 7" success. Like Microsoft, Apple stopped innovating while trying to cash on its market leadership.

    Say what you want about Google but their rate and pace of innovation on Android surpassed iOS by far in the last couple of years. There's not a single feature on iOS7 that sets it apart from the already existing ones from its competitors operating systems. All the way back from 2007 to 2010 you couldn't say the same... Apple was always ahead of the competition, unfortunately not anymore.

    It's silly to claim that iOS 2-6 were "service packs." They defeated Symbian, Blackberry, PalmOS, webOS and Windows Mobile before Android even started really selling.

    Android 2.x was far behind the original iOS in terms of UX technology, a fix Google tried to make throughout 2011 but only applied to tablets, leaving smartphones rotting on the vine until Android 4.0. And despite catching up, Androids big feature was NFC & Wallet, a hugely disappointing failure.

    Android has no successful equivalent to GameCenter, Passbook, Newsstand, iWorks/iLife apps, it is missing APIs for everything from enterprise security to gaming, and besides filling in for symbian&Linux/Java as the OS that powers volume sales of low end phones, it doesn't have any valuable market segments or applications under its belt.

    Please comment on the great technical strides Android has achieved. The biggest features of the last 4.x releases have not been anything novel nor blockbuster. What do you see that's exciting?

    Sounds like you're just confidently blowing hot air. For starters, Wikipedia does an ok job of detailing what was new in each iOS and Android release. Try listing why you say iOS is not impressive and Android is, even if we assume that more than a third of the installed base is actually using a modern version of Android.
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  • Reply 178 of 312
    Thanks for the editorials. It's about time someone is cutting through the bullshit in the media. I love it!
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    macbook promacbook pro Posts: 1,605member
    tzeshan wrote: »
    This is a little known secret of iOS and OS X vs all the competitors.  Apple OSs are more efficient.  Appple has taken advantage by making its product thinner and lighter instead of lasting longer. But mobile computing makes lasting longer more important to users.  

    It is very funny that for thousands of years advancement in telecommunications meant decreased size and weight. Samsung has convinced a circus of fools to believe otherwise.
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  • Reply 180 of 312

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    Originally Posted by Corrections View Post





    It's silly to claim that iOS 2-6 were "service packs." They defeated Symbian, Blackberry, PalmOS, webOS and Windows Mobile before Android even started really selling.



    Android 2.x was far behind the original iOS in terms of UX technology, a fix Google tried to make throughout 2011 but only applied to tablets, leaving smartphones rotting on the vine until Android 4.0. And despite catching up, Androids big feature was NFC & Wallet, a hugely disappointing failure.



    Android has no successful equivalent to GameCenter, Passbook, Newsstand, iWorks/iLife apps, it is missing APIs for everything from enterprise security to gaming, and besides filling in for symbian&Linux/Java as the OS that powers volume sales of low end phones, it doesn't have any valuable market segments or applications under its belt.



    Please comment on the great technical strides Android has achieved. The biggest features of the last 4.x releases have not been anything novel nor blockbuster. What do you see that's exciting?



    Sounds like you're just confidently blowing hot air. For starters, Wikipedia does an ok job of detailing what was new in each iOS and Android release. Try listing why you say iOS is not impressive and Android is, even if we assume that more than a third of the installed base is actually using a modern version of Android.


     


    Sure, I agree with several of you points but none of them actually go against what I said. As I mentioned, from 2007 to 2010 Apple was ahead of the competition: they did defeat Symbian, Blackberry, PalmOS, webOS and Windows Mobile back then and I never said otherwise.


     


    I compared iOS to Windows XP simply because both were hugely successful operating systems mostly unchanged since their release. iOS added under the hood features like copy and paste, multitasking, the notification shade, Siri, etc on the various point releases. Incremental and evolutionary features at best but no real revolutionary change on the operating system itself like we're seeing on iOS7. This picture says it all: http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18qqon8g6fucwjpg/xlarge.jpg


     


    I have an iPhone as my daily driver and also have an iPad but honestly have been very disappointed in the last couple of years with the lack of innovation. I don't want to compare APIs or fragmentation or specific apps on android or iOS. You're missing the point. I'm not sure about the great technical strides Google has achieved with Android. All I know is all new features on iOS7 were already in place on the latest release of Android from almost 1 year ago. Google was copying iOS features back in the first version of Android and now they are dictating the changes. That's all I'm saying. And still in this day and age, despite all the new features on iOS7, I cannot have mailbox as my default e-mail client or open links in another browser not called Safari...

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