How do you know that they haven't commissioned Foxconn to make an iwatch before this announcement?
I'm quite sure they are privy to a fair bit of apple inside info.
It goes without saying that Apple needs to be VERY careful with its component suppliers, patents and well worded LEGALLY binding contracts may not be enough.
There may come a day when those suppliers (Samsung/LG/Foxconn etc) say "if you don't like us, find another manufacturer who can do it better".
Short of manufacturing it themselves Apple are at the mercy of their competitors.
Apple should be extremely clear with them: if you get into the consumer space and compete with us, you risk losing a substantial part or all of our business
In the meantime, Apple needs to be ramping up alternative suppliers. Like Samsung, it cannot be beholden to a single supplier or partner
Oh, perhaps Apple can build all gadgets on US, paying the same salary of the chinese/korean workers...
How do you know that they haven't commissioned Foxconn to make an iwatch before this announcement?
I'm quite sure they are privy to a fair bit of apple inside info.
They have no watches announced or for sale. Clear enough?
Last I checked Apple doesn't make a watch nor has announced one. If Foxconn is first to market then Apple would be competing with them not vice versa.
Not if you are the 'effing manufacturer of the device.
It means you are cloning something that got handed you in a condition of trust. And if your scruples are that bad, you can delay production.
There needs to be new consideration on this "first to market" for copyright and patent when it's Samsung or FoxConn ripping of companies in a privileged relationship.
I'd hope that other companies shun them in the future -- but with FoxConn, it's not clear that would be possible.
Hopefully this isn't another Samsung-style ripoff and it's a different product than they are producing for Apple. If not, well, here goes the corporate war we've all worried about.
It goes without saying that Apple needs to be VERY careful with its component suppliers, patents and well worded LEGALLY binding contracts may not be enough.
There may come a day when those suppliers (Samsung/LG/Foxconn etc) say "if you don't like us, find another manufacturer who can do it better".
Short of manufacturing it themselves Apple are at the mercy of their competitors.
It's another clear example of how LOW TARIFFS have actually hurt our economy and economic power.
Not if you are the 'effing manufacturer of the device.
It means you are cloning something that got handed you in a condition of trust. And if your scruples are that bad, you can delay production.
There needs to be new consideration on this "first to market" for copyright and patent when it's Samsung or FoxConn ripping of companies in a privileged relationship.
I'd hope that other companies shun them in the future -- but with FoxConn, it's not clear that would be possible.
Hopefully this isn't another Samsung-style ripoff and it's a different product than they are producing for Apple. If not, well, here goes the corporate war we've all worried about.
IF....everything you just said is true....then Foxconn will be in a world of hurt. I highly doubt Apple gave Foxconn or anyone else info about their product without having legal documents zipped up so tight that they could not even mention the product.
Think about it....Foxconn would be ruined......most of their business is making products for other companies. If they could not be trusted then.....no one would use them anymore to make their product because they could not be trusted. If what you say is true then Foxconn would be putting their whole company on the line to copy and not yet announced or released Apple product. Apple could sue them into bankruptcy. No one else would use them to make products and they would go out of business.....
IF....everything you just said is true....then Foxconn will be in a world of hurt. I highly doubt Apple gave Foxconn or anyone else info about their product without having legal documents zipped up so tight that they could not even mention the product.
Think about it....Foxconn would be ruined......most of their business is making products for other companies. If they could not be trusted then.....no one would use them anymore to make their product because they could not be trusted. If what you say is true then Foxconn would be putting their whole company on the line to copy and not yet announced or released Apple product. Apple could sue them into bankruptcy. No one else would use them to make products and they would go out of business.....
Exactly my point! Do you not think Apple learned from that and changed their legal contracts to be even more strict? Plus Foxconn is not the conglomerate that Samsung is......they cannot take the loss of business that a legal spat with Apple would cost them. Let alone the legal costs and loss of reputation any fight with Apple would cost them. Think about it.....if your whole business is making parts for other companies..........would you risk your business just to make a watch? IF so then you better make damn sure that watch will turn the business world around and set the world on fire with sales that would make up for everything else you risk losing........You better make soooooo much money from this watch that it will make up for loss of future business and legal woes a war with Apple will cost you.
You are assuming Apple will make the same mistakes with another supplier. You are assuming Apple will not have the contracts worded to prevent Foxconn from releasing a competing product on their own as a condition for getting Apple's business.
Hopefully this isn't another Samsung-style ripoff and it's a different product than they are producing for Apple. If not, well, here goes the corporate war we've all worried about.
It would be a different situation.
In your fantasy scenario, Foxconn rips off an Apple watch design that perhaps Foxconn built prototypes of, right? In other words, they would know details.
OTOH, Samsung didn't manufacture iPhones. They only supplied chips at first. No display. No touchscreen. No case. No radio chips. So they would not know what the case or UI design looked like, or even that it was phone and not just an iPod. They only got to see one after Apple went to market.
Actually, it would be a little surprising if Foxconn made prototypes of a really new product. Apple likes secrecy too much.
Just about every watch works with the iPhone... The HOT smart watch on kickstarter works with Siri and allows for a private phone call. The kickstarter is already way over the goal and ships this fall, that's the route i'm going.
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They won't have a watch for years at this rate. If ever.
The competition might or might not be better. But they sure as heck are faster.
They current iPhone was a bigger screen than previous.
Remember when baseball was America's pastime? Now it's Bitching
And you know this for sure how?
How do you know that they haven't commissioned Foxconn to make an iwatch before this announcement?
I'm quite sure they are privy to a fair bit of apple inside info.
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I'm a mobile tech fan and I'm here to read about all things mobile device related.
Pathetic. What a sad life.
There may come a day when those suppliers (Samsung/LG/Foxconn etc) say "if you don't like us, find another manufacturer who can do it better".
Short of manufacturing it themselves Apple are at the mercy of their competitors.
Oh, perhaps Apple can build all gadgets on US, paying the same salary of the chinese/korean workers...
True that.
Apple should rumor the iToilet and watch everyone else try to be first to the market with their own toilet.
They have no watches announced or for sale. Clear enough?
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Last I checked Apple doesn't make a watch nor has announced one. If Foxconn is first to market then Apple would be competing with them not vice versa.
Not if you are the 'effing manufacturer of the device.
It means you are cloning something that got handed you in a condition of trust. And if your scruples are that bad, you can delay production.
There needs to be new consideration on this "first to market" for copyright and patent when it's Samsung or FoxConn ripping of companies in a privileged relationship.
I'd hope that other companies shun them in the future -- but with FoxConn, it's not clear that would be possible.
Hopefully this isn't another Samsung-style ripoff and it's a different product than they are producing for Apple. If not, well, here goes the corporate war we've all worried about.
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Originally Posted by Fatherless One
It goes without saying that Apple needs to be VERY careful with its component suppliers, patents and well worded LEGALLY binding contracts may not be enough.
There may come a day when those suppliers (Samsung/LG/Foxconn etc) say "if you don't like us, find another manufacturer who can do it better".
Short of manufacturing it themselves Apple are at the mercy of their competitors.
It's another clear example of how LOW TARIFFS have actually hurt our economy and economic power.
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Originally Posted by Fake_William_Shatner
Not if you are the 'effing manufacturer of the device.
It means you are cloning something that got handed you in a condition of trust. And if your scruples are that bad, you can delay production.
There needs to be new consideration on this "first to market" for copyright and patent when it's Samsung or FoxConn ripping of companies in a privileged relationship.
I'd hope that other companies shun them in the future -- but with FoxConn, it's not clear that would be possible.
Hopefully this isn't another Samsung-style ripoff and it's a different product than they are producing for Apple. If not, well, here goes the corporate war we've all worried about.
IF....everything you just said is true....then Foxconn will be in a world of hurt. I highly doubt Apple gave Foxconn or anyone else info about their product without having legal documents zipped up so tight that they could not even mention the product.
Think about it....Foxconn would be ruined......most of their business is making products for other companies. If they could not be trusted then.....no one would use them anymore to make their product because they could not be trusted. If what you say is true then Foxconn would be putting their whole company on the line to copy and not yet announced or released Apple product. Apple could sue them into bankruptcy. No one else would use them to make products and they would go out of business.....
Because that's what happened to Samsung, right?
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Because that's what happened to Samsung, right?
Exactly my point! Do you not think Apple learned from that and changed their legal contracts to be even more strict? Plus Foxconn is not the conglomerate that Samsung is......they cannot take the loss of business that a legal spat with Apple would cost them. Let alone the legal costs and loss of reputation any fight with Apple would cost them. Think about it.....if your whole business is making parts for other companies..........would you risk your business just to make a watch? IF so then you better make damn sure that watch will turn the business world around and set the world on fire with sales that would make up for everything else you risk losing........You better make soooooo much money from this watch that it will make up for loss of future business and legal woes a war with Apple will cost you.
You are assuming Apple will make the same mistakes with another supplier. You are assuming Apple will not have the contracts worded to prevent Foxconn from releasing a competing product on their own as a condition for getting Apple's business.
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Originally Posted by Fake_William_Shatner
Hopefully this isn't another Samsung-style ripoff and it's a different product than they are producing for Apple. If not, well, here goes the corporate war we've all worried about.
It would be a different situation.
In your fantasy scenario, Foxconn rips off an Apple watch design that perhaps Foxconn built prototypes of, right? In other words, they would know details.
OTOH, Samsung didn't manufacture iPhones. They only supplied chips at first. No display. No touchscreen. No case. No radio chips. So they would not know what the case or UI design looked like, or even that it was phone and not just an iPod. They only got to see one after Apple went to market.
Actually, it would be a little surprising if Foxconn made prototypes of a really new product. Apple likes secrecy too much.