It should be possible for MS to muscle their way to a bigger market share, they have the $. I wouldn't could them out just yet, based on past experience!
"Nokia's failure to gain traction in the smartphone market with Microsoft's Windows Phone platform is seen by one analyst as a sign that consumers are content with the two dominant options currently on the market: Apple's iOS and Google's Android."
This has got to be a joke, every single report for the past couple of weeks has shown that Nokia's Lumia sales have increased by over 20% since last quarter. Microsoft Windows Phone has gone from 3.7 to 4.6 of the total market share, that is a 24% increase in market share. Microsoft's market share has been steadily increasing for the past 2-3 years and Nokia's Lumia sales have been increases at an incredible rate year after year since they introduced.
Yeah, I don't think it is destined to get anything close to what iOS had, or Android has, But I think it will eventually rise to a position of being large enough to get real developer notice.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Yeah what did Ballmer call Mac market share? "Rounding error"??? Would that describe Windows Phone?
No, I believe that was at a point the Apple PC marketshare was like 3%, Windows Phone is something like 6.4% now, and growing.
EDIT: Sorry, WP is currently ~4.6% of marketshare (and growing), they were 6.4% of all phones sold last quarter. My bad!
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Originally Posted by ascii
It should be possible for MS to muscle their way to a bigger market share, they have the $. I wouldn't could them out just yet, based on past experience!
It is possible. Especially considering unlike Windoze RT and Windoze 8, Windows Phone 8 is good.
Well, actually, it depends. Personally, I think MS should go to every large app on iOS/Android and offer to pay for whatever it costs to make it for Windows Phone 8. And maybe even offer them 100% of sale revenue on the store (For the first ______ downloads, or the first year). Otherwise, I feel it will be a slow, long climb for quite a while, probably forever.
Um, no. It doesn't indicated that "Consumers are Happy with an Android/IOS duopoly", what it indicates is that consumers can't see any value in Windows Phone.
Consumers were quite happy with Symbian. That may sound weird to Americans, but Nokia had enormous market share outside of the United States. The United States is a small market where mobiles are concerned. Seriously. Compare the U.S. to South America, Europe, Africa, or Asia, and really the U.S. market almost isn't worth messing with.
The problem Nokia and Microsoft have is that the Windows Mobile operating system does not give consumers what they want.
Take the BB10 operating system. If rumors are right, it is outselling Windows Phone. Since Windows Phone was in the market a lot sooner (and BB10 has very little in common with the earlier BLackberry operating systems), that should not be possible. Even if it has only the same, or slightly less sales, BB10 is more successful, because it reached that level in LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.
Consumers aren't stupid. They buy what will:
A) make them more productive is easier to use C) is fun
Windows Phone doesn't appear to be any of these. It seems more like an OS that was designed for Business use, and that's why it is failing in the Comsumer market.
Um, no. It doesn't indicated that "Consumers are Happy with an Android/IOS duopoly", what it indicates is that consumers can't see any value in Windows Phone.
Consumers were quite happy with Symbian. That may sound weird to Americans, but Nokia had enormous market share outside of the United States. The United States is a small market where mobiles are concerned. Seriously. Compare the U.S. to South America, Europe, Africa, or Asia, and really the U.S. market almost isn't worth messing with.
The problem Nokia and Microsoft have is that the Windows Mobile operating system does not give consumers what they want.
Take the BB10 operating system. If rumors are right, it is outselling Windows Phone. Since Windows Phone was in the market a lot sooner (and BB10 has very little in common with the earlier BLackberry operating systems), that should not be possible. Even if it has only the same, or slightly less sales, BB10 is more successful, because it reached that level in LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.
Consumers aren't stupid. They buy what will:
A) make them more productive
is easier to use
C) is fun
Windows Phone doesn't appear to be any of these. It seems more like an OS that was designed for Business use, and that's why it is failing in the Comsumer market.
Wayne
What are you talking about? You have clearly not used Windows Phone 8. Let me put it this way: I have 3 friends who used Windows Phone, One who switched to 8 from Android, and has never looked back (he actually lost his phone for a month, he hated it) One who had in iPod Touch (I think 3rd gen) and got Windows Phone 7.5 and later chose to stick with Windows Phone (got a Windows 8 Phone). And a last one who Got Windows Phone 8 right when it came out (I think he had the original Droid than an iPhone 4 before, not certain) and he likes it. Personally, I got it under a month ago, I have picked up my iPhone maybe 10 times since then.
Now, partially for me, I believe it might be the fact that the iPhone was starting to feel a bit slow, and the Lumia 920 does not. Plus, I did manage to break my iPhone's Camera, and the Lumia 920 has a far better one anyhow. But regardless, If you don't know what you are talking about, please do not talk about it.
Windows Phone has a lot to offer, its largest problem is the brilliance of Apple's lock in (plus, having a good OS experience to get people to stay) and that Microsoft was not able to launch it sooner.
note: I want to play with BB10, I plan to get the fullscreen one when I feel I can.
What has actually been successful on the other hand, (outside of the leader, iOS), is Android, which is basically a copy of iOS in almost every important aspect.
I'm curious if you can tell me what's similar between iOS and Android beyond them both being touchscreen interfaces with apps.
What has actually been successful on the other hand, (outside of the leader, iOS), is Android, which is basically a copy of iOS in almost every important aspect.
Like a notification center? And live widgets?
I don't use Android on a regular basis, I watch videos on my nook HD+ (to good to pass up at $150) and had a cheap $70 dollar android handset (Took it apart, lol) it has unique features. I would never take a device with Android over iOS if they had the specifications unless the Android was DRASTICALLY cheaper (and I was on a budget).
Android's base may have been basically a copy of iOS, but it has expanded and added features that are unique. Some features, like its notification center, Apple copied into iOS.
Take the BB10 operating system. If rumors are right, it is outselling Windows Phone. Since Windows Phone was in the market a lot sooner (and BB10 has very little in common with the earlier BLackberry operating systems), that should not be possible. Even if it has only the same, or slightly less sales, BB10 is more successful, because it reached that level in LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.
Wayne
ROFL what rumors? Every single piece of news about BlackBerry and Microsoft windows phone show that the official sales statistics prove that the Nokia Lumia sold more than all BlackBerry smartphones this past quarter. That is not speculation that is a fact. Windows Phone now has more market share than Black Berry does.
I don't understand Why these companies don't get it.
I bought my wife the WP7 HTC Titan when it first came out, part of that reason was my own personal interest in a new OS.
Windows Phone 7 and 8 OS alone, to me, is excellent. It runs smooth, I like the people "hub" and many other aspects of the OS.
What Nokia, and maybe Microsoft as well, do not Get: it's ALL ABOUT THE APPS.
I went to Microsoft's market place and looked for all the apps I have on my current iPhone. Nearly None of the apps I use daily, are there.
My bank app, my local TV station new/weather app, and many others that I want, are not there.
I have sent emails to my local bank and TV station asking them to make apps for WP8. Both said: "At this time, we are not interested in developing for windows phone 8, have a good day"
I have people argue that "there are most likely apps that 'do the same thing' as the apps you use on your iPhone"
I want the apps I use, not some "app that almost does the same thing".
If I could get my bank and and local TV station and even 80% of the "other" apps I want, (not the 5% that is actually there), I would switch to WP8 right now.
Microsoft and Nokia need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's all about the apps for me and until they are supported even half as much as Apple and Android, I will not do without apps I want and use, just for the sake of having "something new".
It's the ecosystem. People are already invested in their apps, movies, music and photos. There are few people willing to start fresh with Microsofts ecosystem.
Apple knew what they were doing and it worked.
That's exactly right. The issue here is the lack of a cohesive ecosystem and at this point I believe Windows (and especially RIM) are up a huge cliff to try to gain market share, but most importantly, gain customer support.
I really want to know, because otherwise your opinion is pretty worthless.
-QAMF
It doesn't matter, this is an Apple centric site and most non-Apple products are shunned on regardless of it's features. Microsoft could have released the next greatest thing in mobile technology, sell millions of them and their would be some on this site that would still call it crap.
I personally think Windows 8 mobile is a pretty neat OS. I don't have one yet but I did just pre-order a Nokia 1020, my son has a Nokia 820 so I played around with his extensively. The app store doesn't seem as bare as people make it out to be, every app that I use on daily basis are all there. Evernote, TeamViewer, Sketchnote, Tunein, Podcast!, Photoshop Express, Pandora, Pulse, News 360, Nook, Viber, Wikipedia, eBay, Swiss Rail Times, Engadget, IMDB, Skype, Tumblr, Office (this is a great app), Skydrive(complete integration), Facebook & Twitter are built into the system and I think is better implemented than the native apps on iOS or Android, ect..... Then of course you have those really cool Nokia apps like Drive, Music and PureView Camera app (the best there is on any platform).
There are also a lot of nifty little things that complete the package. My family was in Denmark for a little mini vacation, we were sitting in a restaurant when I noticed my son taking pictures of the menu, when asked what he was doing he replied that there is a builtin function in Bing that will translate the text in a picture. I know there are apps for this kind of things but damn if I wasn't impressed, especially when a 13 year old found value in it.
It's utter crap.
Get a room. Somewhere off this site, that is.
Every time I see you post I think of this scene:
First Ancestor: Mushu! *These* are the family guardians. They...?
Mushu: ...protect the family.
First Ancestor: And you, oh Demoted One?
Mushu: I... ring the gong.
Good job ringing the gong there buddy. I see you are still adding "value" to the forum with your immensely profound posts.
The app store doesn't seem as bare as people make it out to be, every app that I use on daily basis are all there. Evernote, TeamViewer, Sketchnote, Tunein, Podcast!, Photoshop Express, Pandora, Pulse, News 360, Nook, Viber, Wikipedia, eBay, Swiss Rail Times, Engadget, IMDB, Skype, Tumblr, Office (this is a great app), Skydrive(complete integration), Facebook & Twitter are built into the system and I think is better implemented than the native apps on iOS or Android, ect..... Then of course you have those really cool Nokia apps like Drive, Music and PureView Camera app (the best there is on any platform).
I had 8 pages of apps on my iPhone until I cleaned it up yesterday. Thats with a good number of folders. There are maybe 2 pages that I actually use on a regular basis.
Oddly I don't care about either my bank or my local TV station even if they have apps. For a quick overview I use a financial app that sees all of them. For actual banking I hit their site from a desktop. For news, weather and traffic I have better apps than the local news app which is invariably meh.
I like the iOS app ecosystem so I'll stick with the iPad and for me the iPhone. But I'll probably get the 1020 for the wife just for the camera.
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It should be possible for MS to muscle their way to a bigger market share, they have the $. I wouldn't could them out just yet, based on past experience!
Could prove to be the same costly mistake for Samsung's Tizen OS.
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Originally Posted by Noliving
"Nokia's failure to gain traction in the smartphone market with Microsoft's Windows Phone platform is seen by one analyst as a sign that consumers are content with the two dominant options currently on the market: Apple's iOS and Google's Android."
This has got to be a joke, every single report for the past couple of weeks has shown that Nokia's Lumia sales have increased by over 20% since last quarter. Microsoft Windows Phone has gone from 3.7 to 4.6 of the total market share, that is a 24% increase in market share. Microsoft's market share has been steadily increasing for the past 2-3 years and Nokia's Lumia sales have been increases at an incredible rate year after year since they introduced.
Yeah, I don't think it is destined to get anything close to what iOS had, or Android has, But I think it will eventually rise to a position of being large enough to get real developer notice.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Yeah what did Ballmer call Mac market share? "Rounding error"??? Would that describe Windows Phone?
No, I believe that was at a point the Apple PC marketshare was like 3%, Windows Phone is something like 6.4% now, and growing.
EDIT: Sorry, WP is currently ~4.6% of marketshare (and growing), they were 6.4% of all phones sold last quarter. My bad!
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Originally Posted by ascii
It should be possible for MS to muscle their way to a bigger market share, they have the $. I wouldn't could them out just yet, based on past experience!
It is possible. Especially considering unlike Windoze RT and Windoze 8, Windows Phone 8 is good.
Well, actually, it depends. Personally, I think MS should go to every large app on iOS/Android and offer to pay for whatever it costs to make it for Windows Phone 8. And maybe even offer them 100% of sale revenue on the store (For the first ______ downloads, or the first year). Otherwise, I feel it will be a slow, long climb for quite a while, probably forever.
-QAMF
Consumers were quite happy with Symbian. That may sound weird to Americans, but Nokia had enormous market share outside of the United States. The United States is a small market where mobiles are concerned. Seriously. Compare the U.S. to South America, Europe, Africa, or Asia, and really the U.S. market almost isn't worth messing with.
The problem Nokia and Microsoft have is that the Windows Mobile operating system does not give consumers what they want.
Take the BB10 operating system. If rumors are right, it is outselling Windows Phone. Since Windows Phone was in the market a lot sooner (and BB10 has very little in common with the earlier BLackberry operating systems), that should not be possible. Even if it has only the same, or slightly less sales, BB10 is more successful, because it reached that level in LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.
Consumers aren't stupid. They buy what will:
A) make them more productive
C) is fun
Windows Phone doesn't appear to be any of these. It seems more like an OS that was designed for Business use, and that's why it is failing in the Comsumer market.
Wayne
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Originally Posted by Wayne Borean
Um, no. It doesn't indicated that "Consumers are Happy with an Android/IOS duopoly", what it indicates is that consumers can't see any value in Windows Phone.
Consumers were quite happy with Symbian. That may sound weird to Americans, but Nokia had enormous market share outside of the United States. The United States is a small market where mobiles are concerned. Seriously. Compare the U.S. to South America, Europe, Africa, or Asia, and really the U.S. market almost isn't worth messing with.
The problem Nokia and Microsoft have is that the Windows Mobile operating system does not give consumers what they want.
Take the BB10 operating system. If rumors are right, it is outselling Windows Phone. Since Windows Phone was in the market a lot sooner (and BB10 has very little in common with the earlier BLackberry operating systems), that should not be possible. Even if it has only the same, or slightly less sales, BB10 is more successful, because it reached that level in LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.
Consumers aren't stupid. They buy what will:
A) make them more productive
C) is fun
Windows Phone doesn't appear to be any of these. It seems more like an OS that was designed for Business use, and that's why it is failing in the Comsumer market.
Wayne
What are you talking about? You have clearly not used Windows Phone 8. Let me put it this way: I have 3 friends who used Windows Phone, One who switched to 8 from Android, and has never looked back (he actually lost his phone for a month, he hated it) One who had in iPod Touch (I think 3rd gen) and got Windows Phone 7.5 and later chose to stick with Windows Phone (got a Windows 8 Phone). And a last one who Got Windows Phone 8 right when it came out (I think he had the original Droid than an iPhone 4 before, not certain) and he likes it. Personally, I got it under a month ago, I have picked up my iPhone maybe 10 times since then.
Now, partially for me, I believe it might be the fact that the iPhone was starting to feel a bit slow, and the Lumia 920 does not. Plus, I did manage to break my iPhone's Camera, and the Lumia 920 has a far better one anyhow. But regardless, If you don't know what you are talking about, please do not talk about it.
Windows Phone has a lot to offer, its largest problem is the brilliance of Apple's lock in (plus, having a good OS experience to get people to stay) and that Microsoft was not able to launch it sooner.
note: I want to play with BB10, I plan to get the fullscreen one when I feel I can.
Also, on sale numbers:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/18/nokias-74m-lumia-shipments-top-blackberrys-total-smartphone-sales
-QAMF
And the UI is hideous, anyway.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
Windows Phone has never (and still doesn't) bring enough to the table to make it meaningful.
And the UI is hideous, anyway.
aka
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I have never used the OS, I think the UI looks bad.
Thanks for your opinion.
Have you ever used WP8?
I really want to know, because otherwise your opinion is pretty worthless.
-QAMF
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
What has actually been successful on the other hand, (outside of the leader, iOS), is Android, which is basically a copy of iOS in almost every important aspect.
I'm curious if you can tell me what's similar between iOS and Android beyond them both being touchscreen interfaces with apps.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
What has actually been successful on the other hand, (outside of the leader, iOS), is Android, which is basically a copy of iOS in almost every important aspect.
Like a notification center? And live widgets?
I don't use Android on a regular basis, I watch videos on my nook HD+ (to good to pass up at $150) and had a cheap $70 dollar android handset (Took it apart, lol) it has unique features. I would never take a device with Android over iOS if they had the specifications unless the Android was DRASTICALLY cheaper (and I was on a budget).
Android's base may have been basically a copy of iOS, but it has expanded and added features that are unique. Some features, like its notification center, Apple copied into iOS.
-QAMF
No One Comes Close, not today and for sure not in the near future
Waiting for 925 or the new 1020 41 pix monster.
I also have JBL speaker Monster Purity HD wireless headphones....
It's utter crap.
Get a room. Somewhere off this site, that is.
They would be good "collectors items" of the smart phone / post-pc era...
Just like Ohio Scientific, Smoke Signal Broadcasting, HeathKit and Kentucky Fried Computers are for the microcomputer era.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
It's utter crap.
Get a room. Somewhere off this site, that is.
The 920 camera is crap?!
Wow you really are clueless....
I think you need to get a room away from here.
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Originally Posted by Wayne Borean
Take the BB10 operating system. If rumors are right, it is outselling Windows Phone. Since Windows Phone was in the market a lot sooner (and BB10 has very little in common with the earlier BLackberry operating systems), that should not be possible. Even if it has only the same, or slightly less sales, BB10 is more successful, because it reached that level in LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.
Wayne
ROFL what rumors? Every single piece of news about BlackBerry and Microsoft windows phone show that the official sales statistics prove that the Nokia Lumia sold more than all BlackBerry smartphones this past quarter. That is not speculation that is a fact. Windows Phone now has more market share than Black Berry does.
I don't understand Why these companies don't get it.
I bought my wife the WP7 HTC Titan when it first came out, part of that reason was my own personal interest in a new OS.
Windows Phone 7 and 8 OS alone, to me, is excellent. It runs smooth, I like the people "hub" and many other aspects of the OS.
What Nokia, and maybe Microsoft as well, do not Get: it's ALL ABOUT THE APPS.
I went to Microsoft's market place and looked for all the apps I have on my current iPhone. Nearly None of the apps I use daily, are there.
My bank app, my local TV station new/weather app, and many others that I want, are not there.
I have sent emails to my local bank and TV station asking them to make apps for WP8. Both said: "At this time, we are not interested in developing for windows phone 8, have a good day"
I have people argue that "there are most likely apps that 'do the same thing' as the apps you use on your iPhone"
I want the apps I use, not some "app that almost does the same thing".
If I could get my bank and and local TV station and even 80% of the "other" apps I want, (not the 5% that is actually there), I would switch to WP8 right now.
Microsoft and Nokia need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's all about the apps for me and until they are supported even half as much as Apple and Android, I will not do without apps I want and use, just for the sake of having "something new".
That's exactly right. The issue here is the lack of a cohesive ecosystem and at this point I believe Windows (and especially RIM) are up a huge cliff to try to gain market share, but most importantly, gain customer support.
It doesn't matter, this is an Apple centric site and most non-Apple products are shunned on regardless of it's features. Microsoft could have released the next greatest thing in mobile technology, sell millions of them and their would be some on this site that would still call it crap.
I personally think Windows 8 mobile is a pretty neat OS. I don't have one yet but I did just pre-order a Nokia 1020, my son has a Nokia 820 so I played around with his extensively. The app store doesn't seem as bare as people make it out to be, every app that I use on daily basis are all there. Evernote, TeamViewer, Sketchnote, Tunein, Podcast!, Photoshop Express, Pandora, Pulse, News 360, Nook, Viber, Wikipedia, eBay, Swiss Rail Times, Engadget, IMDB, Skype, Tumblr, Office (this is a great app), Skydrive(complete integration), Facebook & Twitter are built into the system and I think is better implemented than the native apps on iOS or Android, ect..... Then of course you have those really cool Nokia apps like Drive, Music and PureView Camera app (the best there is on any platform).
There are also a lot of nifty little things that complete the package. My family was in Denmark for a little mini vacation, we were sitting in a restaurant when I noticed my son taking pictures of the menu, when asked what he was doing he replied that there is a builtin function in Bing that will translate the text in a picture. I know there are apps for this kind of things but damn if I wasn't impressed, especially when a 13 year old found value in it.
Every time I see you post I think of this scene:
First Ancestor: Mushu! *These* are the family guardians. They...?
Mushu: ...protect the family.
First Ancestor: And you, oh Demoted One?
Mushu: I... ring the gong.
Good job ringing the gong there buddy. I see you are still adding "value" to the forum with your immensely profound posts.
I had 8 pages of apps on my iPhone until I cleaned it up yesterday. Thats with a good number of folders. There are maybe 2 pages that I actually use on a regular basis.
Oddly I don't care about either my bank or my local TV station even if they have apps. For a quick overview I use a financial app that sees all of them. For actual banking I hit their site from a desktop. For news, weather and traffic I have better apps than the local news app which is invariably meh.
I like the iOS app ecosystem so I'll stick with the iPad and for me the iPhone. But I'll probably get the 1020 for the wife just for the camera.