[B][U]Aggregate Performance Measurement[/U][/B] [LIST=1] [*] Start the benchmark on a device with a full battery charge [*] Run benchmark until battery dies [*] Normalize results to device with largest aggregate [/LIST]
In benchmarking as in lovemaking -- you don't just count the short strokes!
Now that's funny! I see ROM threads on XDA all the time where users are comparing benchmark scores (as if it's relevant in some way). Maybe this will help distance people from the idea that these test scores are valuable. What's important is how the device operates everyday during normal use.
Yeah and if Apple did this there would be a class action lawsuit.
It would certainly be splashed all over the tech headlines if Apple did it. I guess we'll have to wait and see if Samsung gets the same treatment.
I don't think Apple would ever bother since they don't seem to truly care about the spec game. Frankly, I don't see why Samsung would even bother doing this. They're already crushing the rest of the Android competition and doing quite well vs Apple. I don't really see the payoff vs the risk of getting caught (like they now have been). Maybe they feel the risk (will people start to move to other manufacturers due to such activity?) is pretty low so, why not?
Now that's funny! I see ROM threads on XDA all the time where users are comparing benchmark scores (as if it's relevant in some way). Maybe this will help distance people from the idea that these test scores are valuable. What's important is how the device operates everyday during normal use.
But benchmarks and spec sheets are all that matters! Not stupid things like UI responsiveness and how actual apps perform during real-world usage.
THE CLOCK RATE MAXES AT 480 INSTEAD OF 533. NOT 300 LIKE APPLEINSIDER IS CLAIMING.
is it bad still, yes. But not as bad as they are saying.
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Originally Posted by Phone-UI-Guy
Why am I not surprised.
Probably because almost all companies do this in one way or another.
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Originally Posted by Paul94544
Why am I not surprised? scumbags I advise all my friends and family to avoid Samsung products I suggest we all do the same.
Why? Almost every company does this for different benchmarks? This would be like telling you family to avoid Intel because they do tons of optimizations when they run their benchmarks for their claims?
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Originally Posted by alandail
doesn't that amount to fraudulent advertising?
No, it does not. The chip runs at 533Mhz (well, 532 according to anandtech) during some benchmarks. Otherwise it caps at 480Mhz.
There is nothing that talks about the specifications on the feature page, and the fine print would take care of it.
You technically can get the GPU to hit the rate they provided, just not in a useful manner.
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Originally Posted by Cyberzombie
Do I smell a class action lawsuit in their future?
No. At least, I don't see what it would be about.
You can still hit that clock rate, you just cannot do it in a useful manner.
THE CLOCK RATE MAXES AT 480 INSTEAD OF 533. NOT 300 LIKE APPLEINSIDER IS CLAIMING.
The 300mhz clock rate was for what the iPad 4's GPU cores run at. It was in reference to this section:
Quote:
Apple uses its own custom "Swift" CPU core design, paired with GPU cores tech it licenses from Imagination Technologies, providing four PowerVR SGX 554MP4 cores to power graphics on iPad 4.
Samsung's Exynos 5 Octa was the first to license ARM's stock Cortex-A15 CPU core design, and pairs four of them with essentially the same Imagination GPU design as Apple, a shift from Samsung's earlier chips that formerly used ARM's Mali GPU design.
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Their shared GPU design makes the two chips easier to compare, even though Samsung's are clocked to run faster (533MHz vs 300MHz).
Basically they were saying that since both Apple and Samsung were using the same GPU cores it was simple to compare GPU performance between them since the difference was only in the clock rates (which was the reference of 533mhz vs 300mhz). Reading comprehension is a good skill you might want to pick up.
Not covered in this article is WHY Samsung would do this. The speed is there, why not use it for all applications? I'm sure the tech community will start guessing, and I have two possibilities:
1) When going full speed for extended lengths of time, the chip builds up too much heat and with either shut down or either damage other hardware of damage the chip itself.
2) When going full speed it drains the battery at an accelerated rate. The battery life would suffer so much the phone would be unsellable.
Not covered in this article is WHY Samsung would do this. The speed is there, why not use it for all applications? I'm sure the tech community will start guessing, and I have two possibilities:
1) When going full speed for extended lengths of time, the chip builds up too much heat and with either shut down or either damage other hardware of damage the chip itself.
2) When going full speed it drains the battery at an accelerated rate. The battery life would suffer so much the phone would be unsellable.
As you state: increased heat and faster battery drain.
But benchmarks and spec sheets are all that matters! Not stupid things like UI responsiveness and how actual apps perform during real-world usage.
Spec sheets can absolutely be relevant. It seems that those who want to ignore spec sheets are usually the ones who are lacking in said department. Though obviously not the only metric to determine worth, they can be important. They are related to how a device runs all applications. Benchmarks on the other hand measure how well a device runs one application (the test itself). I'm not sure I've ever found the value of a benchmark score outside of epeen contests.
Not covered in this article is WHY Samsung would do this. The speed is there, why not use it for all applications? I'm sure the tech community will start guessing, and I have two possibilities:
1) When going full speed for extended lengths of time, the chip builds up too much heat and with either shut down or either damage other hardware of damage the chip itself.
2) When going full speed it drains the battery at an accelerated rate. The battery life would suffer so much the phone would be unsellable.
THE CLOCK RATE MAXES AT 480 INSTEAD OF 533. NOT 300 LIKE APPLEINSIDER IS CLAIMING.
is it bad still, yes. But not as bad as they are saying.
Probably because almost all companies do this in one way or another.
Why? Almost every company does this for different benchmarks? This would be like telling you family to avoid Intel because they do tons of optimizations when they run their benchmarks for their claims?
No, it does not. The chip runs at 533Mhz (well, 532 according to anandtech) during some benchmarks. Otherwise it caps at 480Mhz.
There is nothing that talks about the specifications on the feature page, and the fine print would take care of it.
You technically can get the GPU to hit the rate they provided, just not in a useful manner.
No. At least, I don't see what it would be about.
You can still hit that clock rate, you just cannot do it in a useful manner.
-QAMF
Predatory ethics! I guess honesty is just for the weak minded.
Spec sheets can absolutely be relevant. It seems that those who want to ignore spec sheets are usually the ones who are lacking in said department. Though obviously not the only metric to determine worth, they can be important. I'm not sure I've ever found the value of a benchmark score outside of epeen contests.
They can be relevant for certain things like display quality, audio quality, etc. In most cases, though, spec sheets are thrown out as a way to distract you from the fact that the performance of the software in the system is so abysmal that they had to have such high specs just to make it run decently. In fact, a spec sheet is more impressive if you show that you are doing just as much, if not possibly more, than your competition with lower speced devices than theirs. If my phone with half the RAM and half the CPU cores has better UI responsiveness, runs all the same apps and games, and has equally if not better performance in real-world usage how exactly is it "lacking" anything? Going around bragging to everyone about the specs of your phone is just as much epeen waving as benchmark scores.
Not covered in this article is WHY Samsung would do this. The speed is there, why not use it for all applications? I'm sure the tech community will start guessing, and I have two possibilities:
1) When going full speed for extended lengths of time, the chip builds up too much heat and with either shut down or either damage other hardware of damage the chip itself.
2) When going full speed it drains the battery at an accelerated rate. The battery life would suffer so much the phone would be unsellable.
If you're truly interested in the answer, you should check out some introductory writeups about the pros and cons of over-clocking.
What also doesn't shock me is this news won't make a blip in mainstream news. If Apple did something like this, it would be slathered all over major blog and news sites like CNN with headlines to match. I've yet to see SAmsung being honest about a single aspect of their products or business. But hey, apparently they're the "next Apple" or something, and we're supposed to cheer them on regardless.
What also doesn't shock me is this news won't make a blip in mainstream news. If Apple did something like this, it would be slathered all over major blog and news sites like CNN with headlines to match. I've yet to see SAmsung being honest about a single aspect of their products or business. But hey, apparently they're the "next Apple" or something, and we're supposed to cheer them on regardless.
But the Samsung apologists tell us that everyone does it. So that makes it's okay!
What a bunch of hypocrites you all are. I bet you wouldnt dare to talk shit about apple, you were all the first to defend when apple was guilty of price fixing and could possibly be fined 500 mill, or foxconn workers suiciding because of poor working conditions. Pathetic. Wow, defending multi billion dollar companies that don't give a shit about you.
Apple insider, why don't you grow a pair and adopt professional journalism? Do you see android central talking shit about apple? This site is a joke.
No, it does not. The chip runs at 533Mhz (well, 532 according to anandtech) during some benchmarks. Otherwise it caps at 480Mhz.
There is nothing that talks about the specifications on the feature page, and the fine print would take care of it.
I completely disagree. Benchmarks numbers are used to advertise your product as faster than your competitor for running apps. Over clocking your processor only to run the benchmark, and not to run any other apps is flat out intentional fraudulent advertising.
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[B][U]Aggregate Performance Measurement[/U][/B]
[LIST=1]
[*] Start the benchmark on a device with a full battery charge
[*] Run benchmark until battery dies
[*] Normalize results to device with largest aggregate
[/LIST]
In benchmarking as in lovemaking -- you don't just count the short strokes!
Now that's funny! I see ROM threads on XDA all the time where users are comparing benchmark scores (as if it's relevant in some way). Maybe this will help distance people from the idea that these test scores are valuable. What's important is how the device operates everyday during normal use.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Feynman
Yeah and if Apple did this there would be a class action lawsuit.
It would certainly be splashed all over the tech headlines if Apple did it. I guess we'll have to wait and see if Samsung gets the same treatment.
I don't think Apple would ever bother since they don't seem to truly care about the spec game. Frankly, I don't see why Samsung would even bother doing this. They're already crushing the rest of the Android competition and doing quite well vs Apple. I don't really see the payoff vs the risk of getting caught (like they now have been). Maybe they feel the risk (will people start to move to other manufacturers due to such activity?) is pretty low so, why not?
Quote:
Originally Posted by DroidFTW
Now that's funny! I see ROM threads on XDA all the time where users are comparing benchmark scores (as if it's relevant in some way). Maybe this will help distance people from the idea that these test scores are valuable. What's important is how the device operates everyday during normal use.
But benchmarks and spec sheets are all that matters! Not stupid things like UI responsiveness and how actual apps perform during real-world usage.
THE CLOCK RATE MAXES AT 480 INSTEAD OF 533. NOT 300 LIKE APPLEINSIDER IS CLAIMING.
is it bad still, yes. But not as bad as they are saying.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phone-UI-Guy
Why am I not surprised.
Probably because almost all companies do this in one way or another.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul94544
Why am I not surprised? scumbags I advise all my friends and family to avoid Samsung products I suggest we all do the same.
Why? Almost every company does this for different benchmarks? This would be like telling you family to avoid Intel because they do tons of optimizations when they run their benchmarks for their claims?
Quote:
Originally Posted by alandail
doesn't that amount to fraudulent advertising?
No, it does not. The chip runs at 533Mhz (well, 532 according to anandtech) during some benchmarks. Otherwise it caps at 480Mhz.
There is nothing that talks about the specifications on the feature page, and the fine print would take care of it.
You technically can get the GPU to hit the rate they provided, just not in a useful manner.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberzombie
Do I smell a class action lawsuit in their future?
No. At least, I don't see what it would be about.
You can still hit that clock rate, you just cannot do it in a useful manner.
-QAMF
Oul Sammy, boy. Always honest.
Quote:
Originally Posted by QAMF
THE CLOCK RATE MAXES AT 480 INSTEAD OF 533. NOT 300 LIKE APPLEINSIDER IS CLAIMING.
The 300mhz clock rate was for what the iPad 4's GPU cores run at. It was in reference to this section:
Quote:
Apple uses its own custom "Swift" CPU core design, paired with GPU cores tech it licenses from Imagination Technologies, providing four PowerVR SGX 554MP4 cores to power graphics on iPad 4.
Samsung's Exynos 5 Octa was the first to license ARM's stock Cortex-A15 CPU core design, and pairs four of them with essentially the same Imagination GPU design as Apple, a shift from Samsung's earlier chips that formerly used ARM's Mali GPU design.
...
Their shared GPU design makes the two chips easier to compare, even though Samsung's are clocked to run faster (533MHz vs 300MHz).
Basically they were saying that since both Apple and Samsung were using the same GPU cores it was simple to compare GPU performance between them since the difference was only in the clock rates (which was the reference of 533mhz vs 300mhz). Reading comprehension is a good skill you might want to pick up.
1) When going full speed for extended lengths of time, the chip builds up too much heat and with either shut down or either damage other hardware of damage the chip itself.
2) When going full speed it drains the battery at an accelerated rate. The battery life would suffer so much the phone would be unsellable.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don108
Not covered in this article is WHY Samsung would do this. The speed is there, why not use it for all applications? I'm sure the tech community will start guessing, and I have two possibilities:
1) When going full speed for extended lengths of time, the chip builds up too much heat and with either shut down or either damage other hardware of damage the chip itself.
2) When going full speed it drains the battery at an accelerated rate. The battery life would suffer so much the phone would be unsellable.
As you state: increased heat and faster battery drain.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeJones
But benchmarks and spec sheets are all that matters! Not stupid things like UI responsiveness and how actual apps perform during real-world usage.
Spec sheets can absolutely be relevant. It seems that those who want to ignore spec sheets are usually the ones who are lacking in said department. Though obviously not the only metric to determine worth, they can be important. They are related to how a device runs all applications. Benchmarks on the other hand measure how well a device runs one application (the test itself). I'm not sure I've ever found the value of a benchmark score outside of epeen contests.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don108
Not covered in this article is WHY Samsung would do this. The speed is there, why not use it for all applications? I'm sure the tech community will start guessing, and I have two possibilities:
1) When going full speed for extended lengths of time, the chip builds up too much heat and with either shut down or either damage other hardware of damage the chip itself.
2) When going full speed it drains the battery at an accelerated rate. The battery life would suffer so much the phone would be unsellable.
I'd guess number 2 is the most likely.
Quote:
Originally Posted by QAMF
THE CLOCK RATE MAXES AT 480 INSTEAD OF 533. NOT 300 LIKE APPLEINSIDER IS CLAIMING.
is it bad still, yes. But not as bad as they are saying.
Probably because almost all companies do this in one way or another.
Why? Almost every company does this for different benchmarks? This would be like telling you family to avoid Intel because they do tons of optimizations when they run their benchmarks for their claims?
No, it does not. The chip runs at 533Mhz (well, 532 according to anandtech) during some benchmarks. Otherwise it caps at 480Mhz.
There is nothing that talks about the specifications on the feature page, and the fine print would take care of it.
You technically can get the GPU to hit the rate they provided, just not in a useful manner.
No. At least, I don't see what it would be about.
You can still hit that clock rate, you just cannot do it in a useful manner.
-QAMF
Predatory ethics! I guess honesty is just for the weak minded.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DroidFTW
Spec sheets can absolutely be relevant. It seems that those who want to ignore spec sheets are usually the ones who are lacking in said department. Though obviously not the only metric to determine worth, they can be important. I'm not sure I've ever found the value of a benchmark score outside of epeen contests.
They can be relevant for certain things like display quality, audio quality, etc. In most cases, though, spec sheets are thrown out as a way to distract you from the fact that the performance of the software in the system is so abysmal that they had to have such high specs just to make it run decently. In fact, a spec sheet is more impressive if you show that you are doing just as much, if not possibly more, than your competition with lower speced devices than theirs. If my phone with half the RAM and half the CPU cores has better UI responsiveness, runs all the same apps and games, and has equally if not better performance in real-world usage how exactly is it "lacking" anything? Going around bragging to everyone about the specs of your phone is just as much epeen waving as benchmark scores.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don108
Not covered in this article is WHY Samsung would do this. The speed is there, why not use it for all applications? I'm sure the tech community will start guessing, and I have two possibilities:
1) When going full speed for extended lengths of time, the chip builds up too much heat and with either shut down or either damage other hardware of damage the chip itself.
2) When going full speed it drains the battery at an accelerated rate. The battery life would suffer so much the phone would be unsellable.
If you're truly interested in the answer, you should check out some introductory writeups about the pros and cons of over-clocking.
See the HK local news from last Saturday, a guy playing game and charging his Samsung S4 at the same time, the Samsung S4 exploded and burnt down his house.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://the-sun.on.cc/cnt/news/20130727/00407_006.html&act=url
What also doesn't shock me is this news won't make a blip in mainstream news. If Apple did something like this, it would be slathered all over major blog and news sites like CNN with headlines to match. I've yet to see SAmsung being honest about a single aspect of their products or business. But hey, apparently they're the "next Apple" or something, and we're supposed to cheer them on regardless.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
This doesn't shock me one iota.
What also doesn't shock me is this news won't make a blip in mainstream news. If Apple did something like this, it would be slathered all over major blog and news sites like CNN with headlines to match. I've yet to see SAmsung being honest about a single aspect of their products or business. But hey, apparently they're the "next Apple" or something, and we're supposed to cheer them on regardless.
But the Samsung apologists tell us that everyone does it. So that makes it's okay!
Apple insider, why don't you grow a pair and adopt professional journalism? Do you see android central talking shit about apple? This site is a joke.
Quote:
Originally Posted by QAMF
No, it does not. The chip runs at 533Mhz (well, 532 according to anandtech) during some benchmarks. Otherwise it caps at 480Mhz.
There is nothing that talks about the specifications on the feature page, and the fine print would take care of it.
I completely disagree. Benchmarks numbers are used to advertise your product as faster than your competitor for running apps. Over clocking your processor only to run the benchmark, and not to run any other apps is flat out intentional fraudulent advertising.