I can see many people liking notifications. I find them distracting and I dislike applications moving to the front, interrupting my work (because they're so much more important than me, I guess). As long as the interruptions can be disabled, there's no harm.
Pushing updates via force-feeding is another thing. That would NOT be cool. It can quickly turn into a major mess.
First kill RSS, then add the "novel" and proprietary push notifications. The RSS subscriptions could have been picked up by a background task and locally added to the notification section just like new mail is added, but then the NSA would have a harder time figuring out who's interested in what...
Particularly since it would have been easy to tie it into the Notifications system.
The feeder extension optionally supports Notifications and (less intrusively) its toolbar badge displays the new article count. Even though it only displays article titles it's been a satisfying replacement for Safari's built-in functionality for a few feeds I prefer monitoring directly from the browser. For the majority of feeds I've always used dedicated OS X and iOS apps feed reader apps.
Just to clarify, this is not a feature of Safari 7.0; instead it is a new feature of Mavericks' notification system that allows web sites to send notifications. It is listed under the 'Notifications' section on Apple's Mavericks web page and there is nothing about it that involves Safari; in fact it explicitly says that Safari is not required. "In addition, you can now sign up with your favorite websites to get breaking news, sports scores, auction alerts, and more %u2014 even if Safari isn%u2019t running."
Just to clarify, this is not a feature of Safari 7.0; instead it is a new feature of Mavericks' notification system that allows web sites to send notifications. It is listed under the 'Notifications' section on Apple's Mavericks web page and there is nothing about it that involves Safari; in fact it explicitly says that Safari is not required. "In addition, you can now sign up with your favorite websites to get breaking news, sports scores, auction alerts, and more %u2014 even if Safari isn%u2019t running."
If that is so, and RSS is not going away, can you see a method to use RSS to drive a notification?
Just to clarify, this is not a feature of Safari 7.0; instead it is a new feature of Mavericks' notification system that allows web sites to send notifications. It is listed under the 'Notifications' section on Apple's Mavericks web page and there is nothing about it that involves Safari; in fact it explicitly says that Safari is not required. "In addition, you can now sign up with your favorite websites to get breaking news, sports scores, auction alerts, and more %u2014 even if Safari isn%u2019t running."
If that is so, and RSS is not going away, can you see a method to use RSS to drive a notification?
Thnx
I must assume this is a rhetorical question...
...obviously, one could write code into the notification system where it, instead of Safari, subscribes to the RSS feed. The notification system and Safari could use IPC or some other mechanism to exchange that information with each other, just as Safari is involved when subscribing to one of the new-fangled notifications.
The only difference, is that RSS was while maybe not the most perfect thing, a standard thing, while this new stuff is tied into Apple's eco system. Apple starts doing what made me hate M$ so much: try to turn the open internet into an environment degraded by proprietary "enhancements". Meanwhile your new notification subscriptions go straight to the NSA, so they likely are notified before you
...obviously, one could write code into the notification system where it, instead of Safari, subscribes to the RSS feed. The notification system and Safari could use IPC or some other mechanism to exchange that information with each other, just as Safari is involved when subscribing to one of the new-fangled notifications.
The Notification Center would be a terrible RSS reader if you have more than a few feeds, and checking subscribed feeds is the exact opposite of getting things pushed.
Someone could write a service that takes RSS feeds and pushes them to your Mac.
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Meanwhile your new notification subscriptions go straight to the NSA
They are probably more likely to know who get the RSS feeds.
...obviously, one could write code into the notification system where it, instead of Safari, subscribes to the RSS feed. The notification system and Safari could use IPC or some other mechanism to exchange that information with each other, just as Safari is involved when subscribing to one of the new-fangled notifications.
The Notification Center would be a terrible RSS reader if you have more than a few feeds, and checking subscribed feeds is the exact opposite of getting things pushed.
Nobody said anything about the notification center being an RSS reader, it's just about that: being notified that new articles are ready. After all, it's not an e-mail reader, either, yet I see when I get new e-mails and the subject line and the first few lines. So it's about as well or as badly suited to let me know about new e-mails as it is for letting me know about new RSS article.
Also, E-mail isn't pushed, either. Some may (iCloud), but certainly not POP, and random third party e-mail servers. What obviously must be happening is that Apple's Message framework somehow checks for e-mails in the background and then pushes the notifications. So really nothing much different than would be needed for RSS. Heck, there was a time when Mall could be used as an RSS reader, and so that would have been working in one go: just tag the resulting notifications differently such as to allow for differentiating between RSS and E-mail messages.
The biggest issue I have with Apple's latest software strategy is that it's app centric, rather than document centric, things get split up, rather than unified. Whatever happend with concepts like "global inbox", or "unified time management" (splitting calendar and todo/reminder items into different apps, WTF?) ?
Someone could write a service that takes RSS feeds and pushes them to your Mac.
Yes, could. Someone also could write a Finder replacement, or a Mail.app replacement, or an iWork replacement. Fact however is, that these third party solutions will never as well integrated as something Apple does, because what Apple does becomes a platform standard that all sorts of third party developers can adopt and tie into. Third party solutions always compete with each other, and thus things get inconsistent, hence I prefer infrastructure type things to be done by Apple.
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Daniel Eran Dilger, padding out articles since 2005.
Seriously, the 5 year old history of push notifications was deemed necessary for a current news article?
Hire an editor and ditch the superfluous fluff AI.
It's informative for me. If you don't like it, just skip it.
Pretty cool. Can't wait to try it out on my 2012 Air.
I can see many people liking notifications. I find them distracting and I dislike applications moving to the front, interrupting my work (because they're so much more important than me, I guess). As long as the interruptions can be disabled, there's no harm.
Pushing updates via force-feeding is another thing. That would NOT be cool. It can quickly turn into a major mess.
Alright. Can we have this on iOS please, so we don't have to install CNN just for a breaking news?
The RSS subscriptions could have been picked up by a background task and locally added to the notification section just like new mail is added, but then the NSA would have a harder time figuring out who's interested in what...
Sooo true.
The RSS implementation was awesome in Safari, there was no reason to take it away.
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Daniel Eran Dilger, padding out articles since 2005.
Seriously, the 5 year old history of push notifications was deemed necessary for a current news article?
Hire an editor and ditch the superfluous fluff AI.
He provided the history of Apple's notifications in order to counter Android fanboys' bogus claim that iOS7 copied Android's notifications feature.
Particularly since it would have been easy to tie it into the Notifications system.
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Particularly since it would have been easy to tie it into the Notifications system.
The feeder extension optionally supports Notifications and (less intrusively) its toolbar badge displays the new article count. Even though it only displays article titles it's been a satisfying replacement for Safari's built-in functionality for a few feeds I prefer monitoring directly from the browser. For the majority of feeds I've always used dedicated OS X and iOS apps feed reader apps.
Option Command B or menu Bookmarks > View.
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Originally Posted by GregLomow
Just to clarify, this is not a feature of Safari 7.0; instead it is a new feature of Mavericks' notification system that allows web sites to send notifications. It is listed under the 'Notifications' section on Apple's Mavericks web page and there is nothing about it that involves Safari; in fact it explicitly says that Safari is not required. "In addition, you can now sign up with your favorite websites to get breaking news, sports scores, auction alerts, and more %u2014 even if Safari isn%u2019t running."
If that is so, and RSS is not going away, can you see a method to use RSS to drive a notification?
Thnx
I must assume this is a rhetorical question...
...obviously, one could write code into the notification system where it, instead of Safari, subscribes to the RSS feed. The notification system and Safari could use IPC or some other mechanism to exchange that information with each other, just as Safari is involved when subscribing to one of the new-fangled notifications.
The only difference, is that RSS was while maybe not the most perfect thing, a standard thing, while this new stuff is tied into Apple's eco system. Apple starts doing what made me hate M$ so much: try to turn the open internet into an environment degraded by proprietary "enhancements". Meanwhile your new notification subscriptions go straight to the NSA, so they likely are notified before you
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Yeah it's tremendously better to manage my giant bookmarks collection in a stupid little sidebar instead of the whole window.
That's so smart.
You can still manage your giant collection in a whole window. Now even without the blue Collections sidebar.
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I must assume this is a rhetorical question...
...obviously, one could write code into the notification system where it, instead of Safari, subscribes to the RSS feed. The notification system and Safari could use IPC or some other mechanism to exchange that information with each other, just as Safari is involved when subscribing to one of the new-fangled notifications.
The Notification Center would be a terrible RSS reader if you have more than a few feeds, and checking subscribed feeds is the exact opposite of getting things pushed.
Someone could write a service that takes RSS feeds and pushes them to your Mac.
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Meanwhile your new notification subscriptions go straight to the NSA
They are probably more likely to know who get the RSS feeds.
Nobody said anything about the notification center being an RSS reader, it's just about that: being notified that new articles are ready. After all, it's not an e-mail reader, either, yet I see when I get new e-mails and the subject line and the first few lines. So it's about as well or as badly suited to let me know about new e-mails as it is for letting me know about new RSS article.
Also, E-mail isn't pushed, either. Some may (iCloud), but certainly not POP, and random third party e-mail servers. What obviously must be happening is that Apple's Message framework somehow checks for e-mails in the background and then pushes the notifications. So really nothing much different than would be needed for RSS. Heck, there was a time when Mall could be used as an RSS reader, and so that would have been working in one go: just tag the resulting notifications differently such as to allow for differentiating between RSS and E-mail messages.
The biggest issue I have with Apple's latest software strategy is that it's app centric, rather than document centric, things get split up, rather than unified. Whatever happend with concepts like "global inbox", or "unified time management" (splitting calendar and todo/reminder items into different apps, WTF?) ?
Yes, could. Someone also could write a Finder replacement, or a Mail.app replacement, or an iWork replacement. Fact however is, that these third party solutions will never as well integrated as something Apple does, because what Apple does becomes a platform standard that all sorts of third party developers can adopt and tie into. Third party solutions always compete with each other, and thus things get inconsistent, hence I prefer infrastructure type things to be done by Apple.