No way in fucking hell this is true. One of the goals of Siri for Apple is to reduce Google searches. Not including Siri would do nothing shoot themselves in the foot, as more people would use Google Now, etc. Siri is one of Apple's important software tentpoles for the future (regardless of your personal thoughts on it), and there will never be another iOS device without it.
Good ol' Gene. I'll gladly eat crow if the iPhone 5C doesn't have Siri. How often is he right on these things? I'm still not clear on how Siri has anything to do with cost. Is the processor going to be an A4?! I don't think so. Also, is it really a prediction anymore that the 5C will have a plastic shell? I mean we've all seen the photos! That's an observation in my book.
No matter which internals this new purported 5C will get, it will be usable, meaning that it'll run iOS7 and it'll run it such that apps load quickly and there isn't any major and/or noticeable lag. To launch a new product that appears slow would be so un-Apple, and such bad business, it will never happen. The 5S might be faster, but using the 5C will not appear to users to be slow.
So, we then have essentially two phones that are the same, except materials, and if you want a more fragile case, fewer colour options and that Siri feature, you can spend $300 more (or whatever the price difference ends up being) and get the 5S. Or if you're the kind of person who doesn't give a rat's arse about Siri or the materials of the phone and you want a nice looking, very usable iPhone, you'll forgo the Siri functionality, save yourself about $300 and get the 5C. Doesn't that sound reasonable? The reason I ask is that Apple will have figured this out and would realise the potential complete cannibalisation of the 5S.
Siri turned off, is that all they can come up with? And if it's not turned off, then you've got two phones with the exact same functionality for different prices - which one will the average consumer purchase? Isn't it reasonable to assume that Apple realises that and has something completely different in store with this new phone??
Why having a crippled iPhone 5S as a 5C? As if Siri and finger sensors are a deal breaker to me?
Why not just having a 3,5" screen for the 5C? 3,5" is a cute size and a REAL differentiator. Some value screen estate, others value portability. Having said that, I wouldn't make the screen bigger than 4".
And why not calling the 5C, the iPhone mini? Like iPad and iPad mini. Mac and Mac mini? And hopefully soon, iPod (= Touch with 4" screen) and iPod mini (= Touch with 3,5" screen).
Apple is losing you from an article about a phone that doesn't exist yet?
Does anyone outside of the US ever use Siri? I have never used it, the mere idea of talking to an inanimate object seems silly to me. A good example of technology that most of the users never use, and as such a perfect candidate for removing if it means a cheaper phone. In a car I can see the use for it though.
Siri is not very useful in British English. And therefore I suspect even more useless outside English speaking countries. If it even exists. If they can shave off some money on components by not having the high end noise cancellation malarky that they need for siri, well then why not do that? People who want it can probably jail break anyways, but can't complain if it is not up to standard. Also I think that there are cultural issues with talking to your device - unless there is another person on the end - in many countries. In the US, Siri is a differentiator, and seems to work well.
Thats better than any compromise on the CPU - I mean last years is ok, but not a previous specced CPU. They can afford to compromise on the camera, the GPU, the amount of available RAM, the gyrator, accelerator etc. the amount of flash space. And the fingerprint magic sapphire covered dooda.
Munster made some unambiguous predictions. That will make it easy to evaluate him pretty soon.
Except that these analysts (including Munster) have made very specific predictions in the past that were consistently wrong - and no one seems to hold them accountable. It's as if they get a free pass no matter how many ridiculous things they say.
Someone really needs to start keeping track and publishing the results. Then the media could stop quoting the ones who are always wrong.
In a car I can see the use for it though.
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Which is exactly why you'll never see a new iOS device launched without Siri. Apple is making a huge push for iOS in the Car, and that can't be done without Siri. We're talking about iPhones here, not iPod nanos.
No matter which internals this new purported 5C will get, it will be usable, meaning that it'll run iOS7 and it'll run it such that apps load quickly and there isn't any major and/or noticeable lag. To launch a new product that appears slow would be so un-Apple, and such bad business, it will never happen. The 5S might be faster, but using the 5C will not appear to users to be slow.
So, we then have essentially two phones that are the same, except materials, and if you want a more fragile case, fewer colour options and that Siri feature, you can spend $300 more (or whatever the price difference ends up being) and get the 5S. Or if you're the kind of person who doesn't give a rat's arse about Siri or the materials of the phone and you want a nice looking, very usable iPhone, you'll forgo the Siri functionality, save yourself about $300 and get the 5C. Doesn't that sound reasonable? The reason I ask is that Apple will have figured this out and would realise the potential complete cannibalisation of the 5S.
Siri turned off, is that all they can come up with? And if it's not turned off, then you've got two phones with the exact same functionality for different prices - which one will the average consumer purchase? Isn't it reasonable to assume that Apple realises that and has something completely different in store with this new phone??
I agree for the most part.
To the average user there won't be much different from the 2 phones.
I don't think Apple should strip Siri away but there has to be something other than the fingerprint sensor to make the 5S more desirable.
Also I agree with an earlier point that Siri does involve a lot of underlying infastructure for Apple. Removing it could be a way of shrinking overall cost for the phone.
But the same could be said of icloud I suppose. We'll see what the outcome ends up being but this rumor isn't too far fetched.
Siri is not very useful in British English. And therefore I suspect even more useless outside English speaking countries. If it even exists. If they can shave off some money on components by not having the high end noise cancellation malarky that they need for siri, well then why not do that? People who want it can probably jail break anyways, but can't complain if it is not up to standard. Also I think that there are cultural issues with talking to your device - unless there is another person on the end - in many countries. In the US, Siri is a differentiator, and seems to work well.
Thats better than any compromise on the CPU - I mean last years is ok, but not a previous specced CPU. They can afford to compromise on the camera, the GPU, the amount of available RAM, the gyrator, accelerator etc. the amount of flash space. And the fingerprint magic sapphire covered dooda.
Are you drunk or something? Yes, it isn't very useful but clearly the goal is make it useful, not terminate siri. Some of you...
If they discontinue the iPhone 5 for the iPhone 5C, then here will be the prices
iPhone 5S 16GB: $299 iPhone 5C 32GB: $199
All prices are on contract
Again this is assuming the 5 will get discontinued.
I think the 5C was a move based on 2 factors. Apple losing on margin, and their phones getting banned by the ITC.
I think the aluminum design of the iPhone 5 cost therm more than they realized. I think they're trying to make the plastic iPhone be regular priced, and the aluminum iPhone be premium priced.
Again this is if Apple discontinues the 5. If they don't then that pricing scheme won't make sense at all.
There, I'm officially an analyst. Someone pay me for these crazy predictions
This may be an odd thought... But does everybody think that the 5C will be rolled out globally?
I see quite a challenge with terminating the 4, 4S and the 5 at once. Limiting the 5C to mostly prepaid and no-subsidy markets for year one would maybe be easier to handle?
We should also not forget that some of these markets do not have 4G, and that in some even 3G is not widely used (one of our Indian clients with over 11k staff does only give 3G contracts to C-level management, everybody else is on 2G). Assuming that Siri requires a second noise-cancellation mic, 3G and likely a Nuance license, while a lot of languages and dialects are not even supported... There could be a point...
This may be an odd thought... But does everybody think that the 5C will be rolled out globally?
I see quite a challenge with terminating the 4, 4S and the 5 at once. Limiting the 5C to mostly prepaid and no-subsidy markets for year one would maybe be easier to handle?
We should also not forget that some of these markets do not have 4G, and that in some even 3G is not widely used (one of our Indian clients with over 11k staff does only give 3G contracts to C-level management, everybody else is on 2G). Assuming that Siri requires a second noise-cancellation mic, 3G and likely a Nuance license, while a lot of languages and dialects are not even supported... There could be a point...
You don't work in supply chain. Trust me, it's not a big deal for Apple. 30 pin connector
iPhones will be GONE from the planet within 14 days.
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ANALyst. Nuff said.
No matter which internals this new purported 5C will get, it will be usable, meaning that it'll run iOS7 and it'll run it such that apps load quickly and there isn't any major and/or noticeable lag. To launch a new product that appears slow would be so un-Apple, and such bad business, it will never happen. The 5S might be faster, but using the 5C will not appear to users to be slow.
So, we then have essentially two phones that are the same, except materials, and if you want a more fragile case, fewer colour options and that Siri feature, you can spend $300 more (or whatever the price difference ends up being) and get the 5S. Or if you're the kind of person who doesn't give a rat's arse about Siri or the materials of the phone and you want a nice looking, very usable iPhone, you'll forgo the Siri functionality, save yourself about $300 and get the 5C. Doesn't that sound reasonable? The reason I ask is that Apple will have figured this out and would realise the potential complete cannibalisation of the 5S.
Siri turned off, is that all they can come up with? And if it's not turned off, then you've got two phones with the exact same functionality for different prices - which one will the average consumer purchase? Isn't it reasonable to assume that Apple realises that and has something completely different in store with this new phone??
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Originally Posted by mr O
Apple is losing me here.
Why having a crippled iPhone 5S as a 5C? As if Siri and finger sensors are a deal breaker to me?
Why not just having a 3,5" screen for the 5C? 3,5" is a cute size and a REAL differentiator. Some value screen estate, others value portability. Having said that, I wouldn't make the screen bigger than 4".
And why not calling the 5C, the iPhone mini? Like iPad and iPad mini. Mac and Mac mini? And hopefully soon, iPod (= Touch with 4" screen) and iPod mini (= Touch with 3,5" screen).
Apple is losing you from an article about a phone that doesn't exist yet?
Troll.
I may be wrong, but I think that was a figure of speech as in 'losing me' meaning, 'I don't get this ...'.
It's just folks talking on a rumors forum, lighten up
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Does anyone outside of the US ever use Siri? I have never used it, the mere idea of talking to an inanimate object seems silly to me. A good example of technology that most of the users never use, and as such a perfect candidate for removing if it means a cheaper phone. In a car I can see the use for it though.
Exactly !
He could be right and here is why.
Siri is not very useful in British English. And therefore I suspect even more useless outside English speaking countries. If it even exists. If they can shave off some money on components by not having the high end noise cancellation malarky that they need for siri, well then why not do that? People who want it can probably jail break anyways, but can't complain if it is not up to standard. Also I think that there are cultural issues with talking to your device - unless there is another person on the end - in many countries. In the US, Siri is a differentiator, and seems to work well.
Thats better than any compromise on the CPU - I mean last years is ok, but not a previous specced CPU. They can afford to compromise on the camera, the GPU, the amount of available RAM, the gyrator, accelerator etc. the amount of flash space. And the fingerprint magic sapphire covered dooda.
Except that these analysts (including Munster) have made very specific predictions in the past that were consistently wrong - and no one seems to hold them accountable. It's as if they get a free pass no matter how many ridiculous things they say.
Someone really needs to start keeping track and publishing the results. Then the media could stop quoting the ones who are always wrong.
Plus the glass and metal case vs a plastic case. I think you're right - that's PLENTY to differentiate the models without dropping Siri.
I agree for the most part.
To the average user there won't be much different from the 2 phones.
I don't think Apple should strip Siri away but there has to be something other than the fingerprint sensor to make the 5S more desirable.
Also I agree with an earlier point that Siri does involve a lot of underlying infastructure for Apple. Removing it could be a way of shrinking overall cost for the phone.
But the same could be said of icloud I suppose. We'll see what the outcome ends up being but this rumor isn't too far fetched.
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Originally Posted by asdasd
He could be right and here is why.
Siri is not very useful in British English. And therefore I suspect even more useless outside English speaking countries. If it even exists. If they can shave off some money on components by not having the high end noise cancellation malarky that they need for siri, well then why not do that? People who want it can probably jail break anyways, but can't complain if it is not up to standard. Also I think that there are cultural issues with talking to your device - unless there is another person on the end - in many countries. In the US, Siri is a differentiator, and seems to work well.
Thats better than any compromise on the CPU - I mean last years is ok, but not a previous specced CPU. They can afford to compromise on the camera, the GPU, the amount of available RAM, the gyrator, accelerator etc. the amount of flash space. And the fingerprint magic sapphire covered dooda.
Are you drunk or something? Yes, it isn't very useful but clearly the goal is make it useful, not terminate siri. Some of you...
If they discontinue the iPhone 5 for the iPhone 5C, then here will be the prices
iPhone 5S 16GB: $299
iPhone 5C 32GB: $199
All prices are on contract
Again this is assuming the 5 will get discontinued.
I think the 5C was a move based on 2 factors. Apple losing on margin, and their phones getting banned by the ITC.
I think the aluminum design of the iPhone 5 cost therm more than they realized. I think they're trying to make the plastic iPhone be regular priced, and the aluminum iPhone be premium priced.
Again this is if Apple discontinues the 5. If they don't then that pricing scheme won't make sense at all.
There, I'm officially an analyst. Someone pay me for these crazy predictions
I see quite a challenge with terminating the 4, 4S and the 5 at once. Limiting the 5C to mostly prepaid and no-subsidy markets for year one would maybe be easier to handle?
We should also not forget that some of these markets do not have 4G, and that in some even 3G is not widely used (one of our Indian clients with over 11k staff does only give 3G contracts to C-level management, everybody else is on 2G). Assuming that Siri requires a second noise-cancellation mic, 3G and likely a Nuance license, while a lot of languages and dialects are not even supported... There could be a point...
The iPhone 5C will absolutely have Siri, and he's a complete idiot for even postulating that it could not. It has to.
End of discussion.
You don't work in supply chain. Trust me, it's not a big deal for Apple. 30 pin connector
iPhones will be GONE from the planet within 14 days.