my heavens! "something" "could" be coming soon? wow, that's real news ...
well, anybody with a brain and an Apple TV could tell you that both an improved hand held remote control and a redesigned Remote iOS app are much needed. gee, i wonder if that might be related ...
plus a spec bump for the ATV itself. if the new API's in iOS 7 for physical game controller add-ons are to really become popular for console-style iOS gaming, there has to be zero latency - lag - with the ATV, unlike now. maybe add bluetooth LE?
but don't bother MJ with logical details like that, he just likes to gush ...
Personnaly, what I would do is make a few different size moniters that could receive an Apple TV "thunderbolt stick" device on the back. The "brains" of the TV would be a stick so you can upgrade it later on. This would allows neat setups without a separate box.
I would do the following monitors that could be used for both TV and the mac pro:
27" retina IGZO 4K monitor
40" 4k LCD/LED monitor
I would wait for those panels to lower in price before introducing bigger size monitor.
40" 4k IGZO monitor
50" 4k IGZO monitor
60" 4k IGZO monitor
For current TV sets, I would continu to make a separate box like the current Apple TV
I wish these little set top boxes would transmit TrueHD or HD Master Audio, not Dolby Digital. Even the cable companies don't transmit True HD or HD Master audio.. The audio is just as important as the video.
I wish Apple was able to make a set top box, where it could connect to Cable providers, have DVR capabilities, connection to the Internet to grab whatever content from places like NetFlix, iTunes, etc. in addition. So we could buy a box and just pay the ISP for what content we have access to and not have to have 2 or 3 boxes to do everything.
The rumours on this seem to be backing themselves into a corner. They've already ruled out almost everything that's possible or makes sense in favour of what is coming across as some sort of "magic."
It can only be disappointing when the assumed 6 dimensional portal enabled magic pony with bucket seats doesn't appear.
You mean 6 dimensional portal enabled magic pony with bucket seats with IGZO doesn't appear.
The iphone aspect ratio being the same as a TV is positive regarding porting apps to the apple tv. I dont understand why you put it up like a negative.
The thunderbolt stick makes little sense in that space. just a HDMI/mDP adapter off of the current AppleTV would do.
In the context of a plug in Apple TV "stick", using a thunderbolt connection could allow the monitor to add more connections. IF they used HDMI 1.4 with 4k support, all the Apple TV plug in will be able to do is output audio/video. With thunderbolt is could also received (and manage) inputs from the monitor connections.
So with that kind of connection, a plug in Apple TV could manage PvR functions, OTA signals, dvd/BR feeds, or a cable feed, all in the same interface. So the "monitor" is a display + a hub.
Audio? Separate speakers? And so the mess begins. No, from my POV an all-in-one TV from Apple makes most sense, but won't be possibly until they can get a subscription TV Show offering that's good enough to ask consumers to sign a contract they'd be interested in - thereby having a way to subsidise said TV.
I wish Apple was able to make a set top box, where it could connect to Cable providers, have DVR capabilities, connection to the Internet to grab whatever content from places like NetFlix, iTunes, etc. in addition. So we could buy a box and just pay the ISP for what content we have access to and not have to have 2 or 3 boxes to do everything.
I'm not picky, nor unrealistic. This is all I need- exactly what you said. I swear half my electric bill is from those energy guzzling burning hot set top boxes the ISPs give us. Amazon instant video and show time wouldn't hurt.
I would hope that they don't actually put out a TV unit rather than a box you attach. Based on the upgrade cycle for Apple products you can expect an upgraded model on a pretty standard basis at least every 1-2 years. TV's are long term devices that people generally keep until the device dies. Given that the market while potentially huge would be somewhat limited in scope when it comes to future upgrades.
Everyone talks about Apple putting their Apple TV technology into a TV panel. But what if Apple did the reverse and just slapped a projector into the existing size of the Apple TV box. It's almost the size of a mini-projector. And it probably wouldn't need to be that much bigger to be a very high-quality projector. So just skip the whole TV set manufacturing.
If t was good for at least 1080p I wouldn't say no
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl whose Dad is a janitor at a bar near the campus who says that Apple just brought HBO. They are announcing the buy and that HBO is being taken off all cable companies as an Apple TV/iOS exclusive. They aren't even going to be making DVDs and blu-ray versions anymore
Audio? Separate speakers? And so the mess begins. No, from my POV an all-in-one TV from Apple makes most sense, but won't be possibly until they can get a subscription TV Show offering that's good enough to ask consumers to sign a contract they'd be interested in - thereby having a way to subsidise said TV.
a $99 box makes for a tighter upgrade cycle than a $900 TV... people will spend $99 every couple years to get new 'STB' and pair with my 5 year old $900 TV, than spend $900 every 2 years to get a compliant system. With Optical and HDMI 1.4, you're able to drive speakers in multiple modalities.
HDMI1.4a can run upstream signaling, and should allow poweron and controls. Again, 'iOS on the TV(Receiver') logic is probably the best solution, where you control the upstream device(s) with the iOS system. And personally, I think a simple upfeed 'power on/off' control is about all they want (and with a $15 power strip you only need to power on one device to get all the devices in your HT setup turned on).
In the context of a plug in Apple TV "stick", using a thunderbolt connection could allow the monitor to add more connections. IF they used HDMI 1.4 with 4k support, all the Apple TV plug in will be able to do is output audio/video. With thunderbolt is could also received (and manage) inputs from the monitor connections.
So with that kind of connection, a plug in Apple TV could manage PvR functions, OTA signals, dvd/BR feeds, or a cable feed, all in the same interface. So the "monitor" is a display + a hub.
Again, I posit that it won't sell enough to justify the a HW product management team... therefore it's a non-starter.
Also, you're not thinking power supply. Makes no sense to make a 'stick' where the wall wart is bigger than the device.
An Apple TV with 4K resolution and a blu-ray disc drive would be most appreciated. <img alt="1biggrin.gif" id="user_yui_3_10_0_1_1376670154704_1121" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies/1biggrin.gif" style="line-height:1.231;" name="user_yui_3_10_0_1_1376670154704_1121">
So you want a 4k monitor and then a built in device that requires constant firmware updates and can't take advantage of the full resolution?
Blu ray isn't dead, but it's dying. Already there in bargain buckets, 3 for £20. Physical media has maybe two or three years, and even then on SD cards, only telecom companies holding this back with poor infrastructure and stupid restrictions.
Ask anyone under 21 how they consume their media. Some like vinyl, none buy CDs, DVDs or BluRay.
Only kinda sorta. Different screens for different functions. Doesn't control the other boxes in the system or even the TV. Requires waking and authorization every time I want to use it. And there's no tactile controls so I have to look at it to control anything rather than feel the volume and channel buttons in intuitive places.
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well, anybody with a brain and an Apple TV could tell you that both an improved hand held remote control and a redesigned Remote iOS app are much needed. gee, i wonder if that might be related ...
plus a spec bump for the ATV itself. if the new API's in iOS 7 for physical game controller add-ons are to really become popular for console-style iOS gaming, there has to be zero latency - lag - with the ATV, unlike now. maybe add bluetooth LE?
but don't bother MJ with logical details like that, he just likes to gush ...
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Originally Posted by herbapou
Personnaly, what I would do is make a few different size moniters that could receive an Apple TV "thunderbolt stick" device on the back. The "brains" of the TV would be a stick so you can upgrade it later on. This would allows neat setups without a separate box.
I would do the following monitors that could be used for both TV and the mac pro:
27" retina IGZO 4K monitor
40" 4k LCD/LED monitor
I would wait for those panels to lower in price before introducing bigger size monitor.
40" 4k IGZO monitor
50" 4k IGZO monitor
60" 4k IGZO monitor
For current TV sets, I would continu to make a separate box like the current Apple TV
I wish these little set top boxes would transmit TrueHD or HD Master Audio, not Dolby Digital. Even the cable companies don't transmit True HD or HD Master audio.. The audio is just as important as the video.
I wish Apple was able to make a set top box, where it could connect to Cable providers, have DVR capabilities, connection to the Internet to grab whatever content from places like NetFlix, iTunes, etc. in addition. So we could buy a box and just pay the ISP for what content we have access to and not have to have 2 or 3 boxes to do everything.
Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Except those don't actually work very well for the purpose.
And neither would any other sort of standalone controller… Rather, it wouldn't work any better, and the iDevice-as-controller actually works well.
You mean 6 dimensional portal enabled magic pony with bucket seats with IGZO doesn't appear.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
No offence, but this seems silly to me.
- increase of resolution on the 5s is not going to happen because ...
- no current rumours of resolution increase on 5s even though release is a few weeks away.
- aspect ratio of TV screen and iPhone is already the same (movies & landscape apps)
Actually there was a rumor about a possible higher resolution on the 5s:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/28/rumor-apple-to-double-iphone-5s-retina-resolution-to-15m-pixels
The iphone aspect ratio being the same as a TV is positive regarding porting apps to the apple tv. I dont understand why you put it up like a negative.
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff
The thunderbolt stick makes little sense in that space. just a HDMI/mDP adapter off of the current AppleTV would do.
In the context of a plug in Apple TV "stick", using a thunderbolt connection could allow the monitor to add more connections. IF they used HDMI 1.4 with 4k support, all the Apple TV plug in will be able to do is output audio/video. With thunderbolt is could also received (and manage) inputs from the monitor connections.
So with that kind of connection, a plug in Apple TV could manage PvR functions, OTA signals, dvd/BR feeds, or a cable feed, all in the same interface. So the "monitor" is a display + a hub.
Very curious to how we are gonna interact with Apple TV or Apple Television in the future. This is the "cracked" part.
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Originally Posted by c4rlob
Audio? Separate speakers? And so the mess begins. No, from my POV an all-in-one TV from Apple makes most sense, but won't be possibly until they can get a subscription TV Show offering that's good enough to ask consumers to sign a contract they'd be interested in - thereby having a way to subsidise said TV.
I'm not picky, nor unrealistic. This is all I need- exactly what you said. I swear half my electric bill is from those energy guzzling burning hot set top boxes the ISPs give us. Amazon instant video and show time wouldn't hurt.
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Originally Posted by leavingthebigG
Well, it could be the iRing remote controller Brian White "heard" about.
This analyst, along with Gene Munster, have made it way too easy to get great laughs from the rumors that they have pushed out to the public.
Amazingly, they have somehow managed to maintain enough credibility that allows them to continue pushing out garbage.
I wonder why none of the interviewers ever ask them about how often they are wrong. :-)))
There is no way in the world Apple is going to ask a person to wear a "ring" to control their television. Absolutely no way.
I would hope that they don't actually put out a TV unit rather than a box you attach. Based on the upgrade cycle for Apple products you can expect an upgraded model on a pretty standard basis at least every 1-2 years. TV's are long term devices that people generally keep until the device dies. Given that the market while potentially huge would be somewhat limited in scope when it comes to future upgrades.
If t was good for at least 1080p I wouldn't say no
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Originally Posted by Ireland
Audio? Separate speakers? And so the mess begins. No, from my POV an all-in-one TV from Apple makes most sense, but won't be possibly until they can get a subscription TV Show offering that's good enough to ask consumers to sign a contract they'd be interested in - thereby having a way to subsidise said TV.
a $99 box makes for a tighter upgrade cycle than a $900 TV... people will spend $99 every couple years to get new 'STB' and pair with my 5 year old $900 TV, than spend $900 every 2 years to get a compliant system. With Optical and HDMI 1.4, you're able to drive speakers in multiple modalities.
HDMI1.4a can run upstream signaling, and should allow poweron and controls. Again, 'iOS on the TV(Receiver') logic is probably the best solution, where you control the upstream device(s) with the iOS system. And personally, I think a simple upfeed 'power on/off' control is about all they want (and with a $15 power strip you only need to power on one device to get all the devices in your HT setup turned on).
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Originally Posted by herbapou
In the context of a plug in Apple TV "stick", using a thunderbolt connection could allow the monitor to add more connections. IF they used HDMI 1.4 with 4k support, all the Apple TV plug in will be able to do is output audio/video. With thunderbolt is could also received (and manage) inputs from the monitor connections.
So with that kind of connection, a plug in Apple TV could manage PvR functions, OTA signals, dvd/BR feeds, or a cable feed, all in the same interface. So the "monitor" is a display + a hub.
Again, I posit that it won't sell enough to justify the a HW product management team... therefore it's a non-starter.
Also, you're not thinking power supply. Makes no sense to make a 'stick' where the wall wart is bigger than the device.
So you want a 4k monitor and then a built in device that requires constant firmware updates and can't take advantage of the full resolution?
Blu ray isn't dead, but it's dying. Already there in bargain buckets, 3 for £20. Physical media has maybe two or three years, and even then on SD cards, only telecom companies holding this back with poor infrastructure and stupid restrictions.
Ask anyone under 21 how they consume their media. Some like vinyl, none buy CDs, DVDs or BluRay.
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Originally Posted by c4rlob
What for? I don't see any benefit.
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff
It's likely to start via Satellite.
Y'think? I think it'll be IP.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
the iDevice-as-controller actually works well.
Only kinda sorta. Different screens for different functions. Doesn't control the other boxes in the system or even the TV. Requires waking and authorization every time I want to use it. And there's no tactile controls so I have to look at it to control anything rather than feel the volume and channel buttons in intuitive places.
But other than that it works pretty well.
Or not.