… You would have to excavate down to 20-30m before accessing cooler soil temperatures ...
I don't see how this can be right. 30m is how far you dig to get free geothermal heating, not cooling. It should be significantly cooler just a few feet below the surface and then start getting hotter about 15-20m down increasing the further you dig, no? I'm guessing the relative temperature on the surface is pretty hot in Reno, but the underground temperature should be the same almost everywhere.
Forget cooling and heating and how much power it uses. This place looks like where they would make an old western. How far is this from civilization? Where do the employees go to eat? And I thought working in New Jersey was bad.
I don't see how this can be right. 30m is how far you dig to get free geothermal heating, not cooling. It should be significantly cooler just a few feet below the surface and then start getting hotter about 15-20m down increasing the further you dig, no? I'm guessing the relative temperature on the surface is pretty hot in Reno, but the underground temperature should be the same almost everywhere.
Geothermal heating vents are pretty rare. Otherwise you generally have to go really far down to get any heat. Water wells can go hundreds of feet down and are nice and cool.
… You would have to excavate down to 20-30m before accessing cooler soil temperatures ...
I don't see how this can be right. 30m is how far you dig to get free geothermal heating, not cooling. It should be significantly cooler just a few feet below the surface and then start getting hotter about 15-20m down increasing the further you dig, no? I'm guessing the relative temperature on the surface is pretty hot in Reno, but the underground temperature should be the same almost everywhere.
Depends where you are. In most cases including where geothermal activity exists the regular water table temperature, even down to 120m is still 12º C.
Forget cooling and heating and how much power it uses. This place looks like where they would make an old western. How far is this from civilization? Where do the employees go to eat? And I thought working in New Jersey was bad.
Forget cooling and heating and how much power it uses. This place looks like where they would make an old western. How far is this from civilization? Where do the employees go to eat? And I thought working in New Jersey was bad.
Depends on if you consider Reno civilization. (Apologies to my cousin)
Employees have to eat rattlers and cacti. On the plus side, its not New Jersey
Forget cooling and heating and how much power it uses. This place looks like where they would make an old western. How far is this from civilization? Where do the employees go to eat? And I thought working in New Jersey was bad.
Heating/cooling/employees eating. Irrelevant. No state taxes in Nevada!
Apple has been incorporated in NV for years. I don't think this data center has anything to do with income taxes as they don't actually collect any revenue through the the data center per se. Not sure. I think it has more to do with property tax incentives.
I think its a little of both. Their other prime candidate for the data center also had no state tax. Maybe Apple can claim all their iCloud revenues are made in the state now.
The fact that Apple got Nevada tax payers to pay for nearly $100,000,000 of the price tag didn't hurt though.
I really dont like these story telling me how much land Apple owns for its DC. I want to know how much Server Floor Space they have. How many server they could host. etc
I think once completed, they could start offering free iCloud Backup to every iPhone.
And sales taxes, which Oregon doesn't have and which Nevada exempted for this data center. Compared to a +9% tax in CA, that adds a lot to construction expenses.
But it's isn't, as trolls complain and as the local news reported, "paid for by locals." Taxes are paid by tax-payers. If a business is given a tax break to start a project it wouldn't otherwise start there, it means locals get economic activity that costs less than it otherwise would.
Data centers involve a lot of initial construction but then run without creating a lot of jobs. But they also don't create traffic, send kids to school, send low paid workers to collect welfare/disability/Medicare (like Walmart), pollute, or generate garbage or other significant social costs.
Snagging Apple means there will now be a $1 billion dollar facility at RTP that otherwise would be dirt. There are already other companies lining up to be situated next door to take advantage of the shared investment in roads, drainage, etc that Apple is building.
This might be ready by the time of IOS 7 release then, maybe.
Indeed, this might just be for 'Photostream, now with video'.
I also don't understand how DED can write what data is being stored/served here. I think the number of assumptions being made in IT is way too large and happens way too often.
I don't see how this can be right. 30m is how far you dig to get free geothermal heating, not cooling. It should be significantly cooler just a few feet below the surface and then start getting hotter about 15-20m down increasing the further you dig, no? I'm guessing the relative temperature on the surface is pretty hot in Reno, but the underground temperature should be the same almost everywhere.
Maybe you're thinking of a heat pump? Anytime there's a significant difference in temperature between two "sources" you can use this difference to help with heating or cooling.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb
Forget cooling and heating and how much power it uses.
I say forget these questions and ask why is Apple expanding so quickly? Sure they have had outages, but they're not nearly as common as people think and when everything is running Apples current users are being served well (I never have to wait to watch a movie on my Apple TV and whenever I purchase music or Apps they download quickly).
With the Reno and Washington data centers coming online it appears Apple is greatly expanding their capacity. I doubt they expect their user base to double in the next year so it must be for additional services. I'm wondering if it's for TV since that's one area that would require a substantial increase in server capacity.
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Originally Posted by ksec
I think once completed, they could start offering free iCloud Backup to every iPhone.
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Originally Posted by ksec
As in Free iCloud Backup for the size of your iPhone, i.e 16Gb iCloud for your 16GB iPhone
Say what? Any Apps you've bought aren't included. Neither is any music you purchase through iTunes or added with iTunes Match. Do you have a 16GB iPhone with only one or two Apps installed and they are generating 10+GB of data you need backed up?
Most people get by with the free 5GB Apple gives you. For those who actually need more you can buy it.
Indeed, this might just be for 'Photostream, now with video'.
I also don't understand how DED can write what data is being stored/served here. I think the number of assumptions being made in IT is way too large and happens way too often.
Apple has made public comment on what it's using the Reno iCloud site for. It's not an assumption.
Assuming Apple is lying or that the article is making up crazy stuff is probably not very useful.
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Originally Posted by mstone
… You would have to excavate down to 20-30m before accessing cooler soil temperatures ...
I don't see how this can be right. 30m is how far you dig to get free geothermal heating, not cooling. It should be significantly cooler just a few feet below the surface and then start getting hotter about 15-20m down increasing the further you dig, no? I'm guessing the relative temperature on the surface is pretty hot in Reno, but the underground temperature should be the same almost everywhere.
Forget cooling and heating and how much power it uses. This place looks like where they would make an old western. How far is this from civilization? Where do the employees go to eat? And I thought working in New Jersey was bad.
Geothermal heating vents are pretty rare. Otherwise you generally have to go really far down to get any heat. Water wells can go hundreds of feet down and are nice and cool.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
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Originally Posted by mstone
… You would have to excavate down to 20-30m before accessing cooler soil temperatures ...
I don't see how this can be right. 30m is how far you dig to get free geothermal heating, not cooling. It should be significantly cooler just a few feet below the surface and then start getting hotter about 15-20m down increasing the further you dig, no? I'm guessing the relative temperature on the surface is pretty hot in Reno, but the underground temperature should be the same almost everywhere.
Depends where you are. In most cases including where geothermal activity exists the regular water table temperature, even down to 120m is still 12º C.
Apparently, Reno Technology Park is only 15 minutes from Reno.
Depends on if you consider Reno civilization. (Apologies to my cousin)
Employees have to eat rattlers and cacti. On the plus side, its not New Jersey
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Originally Posted by zoetmb
Forget cooling and heating and how much power it uses. This place looks like where they would make an old western. How far is this from civilization? Where do the employees go to eat? And I thought working in New Jersey was bad.
Heating/cooling/employees eating. Irrelevant. No state taxes in Nevada!
Apple has been incorporated in NV for years. I don't think this data center has anything to do with income taxes as they don't actually collect any revenue through the the data center per se. Not sure. I think it has more to do with property tax incentives.
I think its a little of both. Their other prime candidate for the data center also had no state tax. Maybe Apple can claim all their iCloud revenues are made in the state now.
The fact that Apple got Nevada tax payers to pay for nearly $100,000,000 of the price tag didn't hurt though.
Water cooling
I really dont like these story telling me how much land Apple owns for its DC. I want to know how much Server Floor Space they have. How many server they could host. etc
I think once completed, they could start offering free iCloud Backup to every iPhone.
Originally Posted by ksec
I think once completed, they could start offering free iCloud Backup to every iPhone.
They… already do.
And sales taxes, which Oregon doesn't have and which Nevada exempted for this data center. Compared to a +9% tax in CA, that adds a lot to construction expenses.
But it's isn't, as trolls complain and as the local news reported, "paid for by locals." Taxes are paid by tax-payers. If a business is given a tax break to start a project it wouldn't otherwise start there, it means locals get economic activity that costs less than it otherwise would.
Data centers involve a lot of initial construction but then run without creating a lot of jobs. But they also don't create traffic, send kids to school, send low paid workers to collect welfare/disability/Medicare (like Walmart), pollute, or generate garbage or other significant social costs.
Snagging Apple means there will now be a $1 billion dollar facility at RTP that otherwise would be dirt. There are already other companies lining up to be situated next door to take advantage of the shared investment in roads, drainage, etc that Apple is building.
Indeed, this might just be for 'Photostream, now with video'.
I also don't understand how DED can write what data is being stored/served here. I think the number of assumptions being made in IT is way too large and happens way too often.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
They… already do.
As in Free iCloud Backup for the size of your iPhone, i.e 16Gb iCloud for your 16GB iPhone
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
I don't see how this can be right. 30m is how far you dig to get free geothermal heating, not cooling. It should be significantly cooler just a few feet below the surface and then start getting hotter about 15-20m down increasing the further you dig, no? I'm guessing the relative temperature on the surface is pretty hot in Reno, but the underground temperature should be the same almost everywhere.
Maybe you're thinking of a heat pump? Anytime there's a significant difference in temperature between two "sources" you can use this difference to help with heating or cooling.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb
Forget cooling and heating and how much power it uses.
I say forget these questions and ask why is Apple expanding so quickly? Sure they have had outages, but they're not nearly as common as people think and when everything is running Apples current users are being served well (I never have to wait to watch a movie on my Apple TV and whenever I purchase music or Apps they download quickly).
With the Reno and Washington data centers coming online it appears Apple is greatly expanding their capacity. I doubt they expect their user base to double in the next year so it must be for additional services. I'm wondering if it's for TV since that's one area that would require a substantial increase in server capacity.
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Originally Posted by ksec
I think once completed, they could start offering free iCloud Backup to every iPhone.
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Originally Posted by ksec
As in Free iCloud Backup for the size of your iPhone, i.e 16Gb iCloud for your 16GB iPhone
Say what? Any Apps you've bought aren't included. Neither is any music you purchase through iTunes or added with iTunes Match. Do you have a 16GB iPhone with only one or two Apps installed and they are generating 10+GB of data you need backed up?
Most people get by with the free 5GB Apple gives you. For those who actually need more you can buy it.
Apple has made public comment on what it's using the Reno iCloud site for. It's not an assumption.
Assuming Apple is lying or that the article is making up crazy stuff is probably not very useful.
I don't recall that. Do you mind linking?