Just as an example and not to sound like an angry nerd but integrated graphics in a pro notebook? Mr Cook, "That is not only not good enough. That is deplorable."
Steve would never do…
Originally Posted by murman
I guess it depends on which version you listen to, this doctor (youtube) says Steve didn't die because of his food diet, he actually had cancer and symptoms since he was a young man. I don't want to spend too much time summarizing his talk (not that I could ), and it has been a while since I watched it. We know his cancer was the slow spreading sort, but from the time he knew about it until his last days, the spread rate of he cancer suggest he was living with cancer for decades, the popular story was he had it for a few years only and his vegetarian diet failed him.
Marvin posted that a while back, and I believe part of that only. The doctor has an agenda, but I don't think it's ludicrous to suggest Steve wasn't himself the reason for his own death.
Those observers don't know the definition of "innovate."
Absolutely agree. How many have actually been in R&D? Cook was handpicked by Jobs and he is doing a great job. Don't worry about those leaving Apple or who want to leave... they are finally taking a chance. First we had reports about Apple employees (and others) who complained about Jobs, now it's Cook, and the recently released JOBS people, I wouldn't want these whiners to work for me either. What WAS their contribution? If Steve actually had the time to check out everyone working there, I am sure a lot more would be gone. Whiners ARE NOT doers.
mr Fring... from breaking bad...the Article seems to suggest that Tim Cook is that Character... "strikes fear into his Employees" exactly what "Mr fring" did in the first episode of season 4 "Box Cutter"... (in Tim Cook's case, fear "the pen is mighter than the sword"... i.e. pink slip.)
I mean in the upper tier 15" models Tallest if rumors are to be believed. I know the base level 13" models have always been integrated. You know me better than to believe I have fallen into the trap of becoming of those "Steve Jobs was perfect and he would never do A, B, or C."
The most concerning part of the article is this part;
"Some Silicon Valley recruiters and former Apple employees at rival companies say they are seeing more Apple resumes than ever before, especially from hardware engineers, though the depth and breadth of any brain-drain remains difficult to quantify, especially given the recent expansion in staff numbers.
"I am being inundated by LinkedIn messages and emails both by people who I never imagined would leave Apple and by people who have been at Apple for a year, and who joined expecting something different than what they encountered," said one recruiter with ties to Apple"
Talent retention will be Apple's biggest challenge.
The timing of Apple's product releases has been historically about bringing a product to market when it's ready and not a second before. It's not about doing it the other way around, namely setting a date for a product release internally and then introducing it to market, ready or not.
It's not just about how good the product is in isolation but also what happens when customers start using the device or software, as in, does it enhance their lives, or something of that sort. In other words, does the device, in the hands of the average consumer, provide something to that consumer that will make them glad they bought it.
This means you have to have the right product, for the right price, that can endear itself to the purchaser, right from the start. The iPad, for example, was amazingly quick to succeed because it was priced right, performed exceptionally well, used a familiar OS, and as such consumers embraced it. If the iPad had been brought to market sooner and, let's say, had to be $800, rather than about $500, or was compromised in any other way, the result would have been disappointing.
It's not about rushing something to market every so many months to maintain momentum. It's about delivering products that make customers happy so that they'll continue to support the brand. If Apple ignored the netbook segment and instead took its time to develop a vastly superior alternative for casual mobile computing, I'd have to say that looking at it now, it was the way to go. While competitors made little if any money selling awful netbooks that most purchasers regretted buying, Apple redefined the low-cost, casual computing segment with a far more useful product, resulting in incredible profits.
That's the formula that Cook needs to stick with and if that causes a delay in the release of a new product, as far as I'm concerned, that means it's business as usual at Apple.
He's not Steve and in today's world we expect the CEO to be very technical and visionary. My impression of Tim is he's just like any of our bosses, anybody be a boss and hand out orders. He doesn't appeal to Wall Street as tech visionary or gave any clues about his vision. Look at all those AllthingsD interviews with Steve and Bill, then with Tim. I thoroughly enjoyed those conversations with Bill and Steve, I want to fast forward those Tim interviews. He was dodgy and methodical, I felt he was similar to Ballmer in giving very little information but differs in his delivery. I simply don't like to hear Tim speak because he offers no guidance on what Apple's next big challenge was other than delivering more of the same.
I simply don't like to hear Tim speak because he offers no guidance on what Apple's next big challenge was other than delivering more of the same.
This! Whenever I watch an Apple keynote and I use the event in October 2012 and WWDC 2013 as examples, I know the good part comes when he introduces Phil Schiller. When Phil walks out, I know we're getting the tech specs of new products (which for a nerd like me is what I most pay attention to) and at least some humor.
How often can Apple create or redefine an entire industry? That is what people seem to be expecting. I might be naive but that level of innovation seems quite difficult to achieve. It's quite amazing that it has done this more than once, much less massive changes at least 3-4 times within the last 10 years.
Let me make a quick list just in the past 10 years: * music players/music retail (music stores no longer exist), * mobile phone/mobile industry: smart phones, cut the phone companies' legs out from control of phone features, * GPS: on phones, tag pictures with location, dedicated devices less needed * gaming platform * Application development industry for mobile devices * Tablet market * eBooks market * Delivery of apps for both mobile devices and laptop/desktops via internet * Elimination of floppy disks * Elimination of serial and parallel ports * WiFi as standard equipment on all devices * Touch devices along with standard touch screen "language" * Quality design of devices * Quality of manufacturing of devices * Replacement of moveable storage media with solid state storage * Automatic backup (Time Machine) * All-in-one desktops (elimination of wires connecting separate components)
Marvin posted that a while back, and I believe part of that only. The doctor has an agenda, but I don't think it's ludicrous to suggest Steve wasn't himself the reason for his own death.
In any other situation sure, but the man had cancer. Shouldn't blame him for that, not like he drove too fast on a rainy day and slid off a cliff.
How often can Apple create or redefine an entire industry? That is what people seem to be expecting. I might be naive but that level of innovation seems quite difficult to achieve. It's quite amazing that it has done this more than once, much less massive changes at least 3-4 times within the last 10 years.
Let me make a quick list just in the past 10 years:
* music players/music retail (music stores no longer exist),
* mobile phone/mobile industry: smart phones, cut the phone companies' legs out from control of phone features,
* GPS: on phones, tag pictures with location, dedicated devices less needed
* gaming platform
* Application development industry for mobile devices
* Tablet market
* eBooks market
* Delivery of apps for both mobile devices and laptop/desktops via internet
* Elimination of floppy disks
* Elimination of serial and parallel ports
* WiFi as standard equipment on all devices
* Touch devices along with standard touch screen "language"
* Quality design of devices
* Quality of manufacturing of devices
* Replacement of moveable storage media with solid state storage
* Automatic backup (Time Machine)
* All-in-one desktops (elimination of wires connecting separate components)
All Tim needs to do is to go up there and in short sentences explain some of the marvels in simplistic or layman's term on some of their products and features. That's all he has to do.
What I got out of Tim the last 2+ yrs is that he has not changed much at all, while behind the scenes he got rid of people who were competing for his job as the face of Apple. He's most likely a ruthless CEO instead of caring about the company's future prospects, he's just another machiavellian boss.
He's not Steve and in today's world we expect the CEO to be very technical and visionary. My impression of Tim is he's just like any of our bosses, anybody be a boss and hand out orders. He doesn't appeal to Wall Street as tech visionary or gave any clues about his vision. Look at all those AllthingsD interviews with Steve and Bill, then with Tim. I thoroughly enjoyed those conversations with Bill and Steve, I want to fast forward those Tim interviews. He was dodgy and methodical, I felt he was similar to Ballmer in giving very little information but differs in his delivery. I simply don't like to hear Tim speak because he offers no guidance on what Apple's next big challenge was other than delivering more of the same.
In his position as the new steward of the company, with the toughest act in history to follow, he has no business tipping his hand in the slightest. It would be unthinkable in fact. A guy like him knows that the only thing that matters is performance, success that lands on the market like a ton of bricks, as a surprise. This is what makes him so fascinating to watch, to those who can see: his absolute self-control and his poler-faced dedication to keeping his cards close to his vest.
The most concerning part of the article is this part;
"<span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans;font-size:14px;line-height:1.6;">Some Silicon Valley recruiters and former Apple employees at rival companies say they are seeing more Apple resumes than ever before, especially from hardware engineers, though the depth and breadth of any brain-drain remains difficult to quantify, especially given the recent expansion in staff numbers.</span>
<p style="margin-bottom:10px;font-size:14px;line-height:1.6;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans;">"I am being inundated by LinkedIn messages and emails both by people who I never imagined would leave Apple and by people who have been at Apple for a year, and who joined expecting something different than what they encountered," said one recruiter with ties to Apple"</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:10px;font-size:14px;line-height:1.6;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans;">Talent retention will be Apple's biggest challenge.</p>
Sorry, but I see you have taken the bait. This bit of unattested "news gathering" by the reporters could be total cherry picking or even made up entirely. It's the poison pill of FUD that the article was meant to deliver. Hardware engineers are leaving Apple! Oh no!!!
It's the poison pill of FUD that the article was meant to deliver. Hardware engineers are leaving Apple! Oh no!!!
FUD or not. Some hardware engineers are leaving Apple. In general, talent retention is a challenge for every successful Silicon Valley company. Everyone of them. To deny this is not just ignorant but is in fact a form of trolling in itself.
Just as an example and not to sound like an angry nerd but integrated graphics in a pro notebook? Mr Cook, "That is not only not good enough. That is deplorable."
Absolute, unadulterated nonsense.
One of the lessons from Apple over the past decade was not to worry too much about specs or "the way it needs to be done" and to focus on the task at hand. If integrated graphics are fast enough to get the job done, they why add the extra bulk, cost, and battery drain of dedicated graphics? Your attitude of "a REAL computer must have xyz" is one of the things that Jobs rebelled against - and he rewrote the book on computing.
Not to mention, of course, that most of the Mac pro laptops have dedicated graphics, anyway.
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Originally Posted by Winter
Just as an example and not to sound like an angry nerd but integrated graphics in a pro notebook? Mr Cook, "That is not only not good enough. That is deplorable."
Steve would never do…
Originally Posted by murman
I guess it depends on which version you listen to, this doctor (youtube) says Steve didn't die because of his food diet, he actually had cancer and symptoms since he was a young man. I don't want to spend too much time summarizing his talk (not that I could
Marvin posted that a while back, and I believe part of that only. The doctor has an agenda, but I don't think it's ludicrous to suggest Steve wasn't himself the reason for his own death.
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Originally Posted by jungmark
Those observers don't know the definition of "innovate."
Absolutely agree. How many have actually been in R&D? Cook was handpicked by Jobs and he is doing a great job. Don't worry about those leaving Apple or who want to leave... they are finally taking a chance. First we had reports about Apple employees (and others) who complained about Jobs, now it's Cook, and the recently released JOBS people, I wouldn't want these whiners to work for me either. What WAS their contribution? If Steve actually had the time to check out everyone working there, I am sure a lot more would be gone. Whiners ARE NOT doers.
The most concerning part of the article is this part;
"Some Silicon Valley recruiters and former Apple employees at rival companies say they are seeing more Apple resumes than ever before, especially from hardware engineers, though the depth and breadth of any brain-drain remains difficult to quantify, especially given the recent expansion in staff numbers.
"I am being inundated by LinkedIn messages and emails both by people who I never imagined would leave Apple and by people who have been at Apple for a year, and who joined expecting something different than what they encountered," said one recruiter with ties to Apple"
Talent retention will be Apple's biggest challenge.
Originally Posted by Winter
I mean in the upper tier 15" models Tallest if rumors are to be believed.
You remember that was my rumor, right? At least, I think it was. Just prepare yourself for the worst; doesn't mean it will happen.
The timing of Apple's product releases has been historically about bringing a product to market when it's ready and not a second before. It's not about doing it the other way around, namely setting a date for a product release internally and then introducing it to market, ready or not.
It's not just about how good the product is in isolation but also what happens when customers start using the device or software, as in, does it enhance their lives, or something of that sort. In other words, does the device, in the hands of the average consumer, provide something to that consumer that will make them glad they bought it.
This means you have to have the right product, for the right price, that can endear itself to the purchaser, right from the start. The iPad, for example, was amazingly quick to succeed because it was priced right, performed exceptionally well, used a familiar OS, and as such consumers embraced it. If the iPad had been brought to market sooner and, let's say, had to be $800, rather than about $500, or was compromised in any other way, the result would have been disappointing.
It's not about rushing something to market every so many months to maintain momentum. It's about delivering products that make customers happy so that they'll continue to support the brand. If Apple ignored the netbook segment and instead took its time to develop a vastly superior alternative for casual mobile computing, I'd have to say that looking at it now, it was the way to go. While competitors made little if any money selling awful netbooks that most purchasers regretted buying, Apple redefined the low-cost, casual computing segment with a far more useful product, resulting in incredible profits.
That's the formula that Cook needs to stick with and if that causes a delay in the release of a new product, as far as I'm concerned, that means it's business as usual at Apple.
He's not Steve and in today's world we expect the CEO to be very technical and visionary. My impression of Tim is he's just like any of our bosses, anybody be a boss and hand out orders. He doesn't appeal to Wall Street as tech visionary or gave any clues about his vision. Look at all those AllthingsD interviews with Steve and Bill, then with Tim. I thoroughly enjoyed those conversations with Bill and Steve, I want to fast forward those Tim interviews. He was dodgy and methodical, I felt he was similar to Ballmer in giving very little information but differs in his delivery. I simply don't like to hear Tim speak because he offers no guidance on what Apple's next big challenge was other than delivering more of the same.
This! Whenever I watch an Apple keynote and I use the event in October 2012 and WWDC 2013 as examples, I know the good part comes when he introduces Phil Schiller. When Phil walks out, I know we're getting the tech specs of new products (which for a nerd like me is what I most pay attention to) and at least some humor.
Let me make a quick list just in the past 10 years:
* music players/music retail (music stores no longer exist),
* mobile phone/mobile industry: smart phones, cut the phone companies' legs out from control of phone features,
* GPS: on phones, tag pictures with location, dedicated devices less needed
* gaming platform
* Application development industry for mobile devices
* Tablet market
* eBooks market
* Delivery of apps for both mobile devices and laptop/desktops via internet
* Elimination of floppy disks
* Elimination of serial and parallel ports
* WiFi as standard equipment on all devices
* Touch devices along with standard touch screen "language"
* Quality design of devices
* Quality of manufacturing of devices
* Replacement of moveable storage media with solid state storage
* Automatic backup (Time Machine)
* All-in-one desktops (elimination of wires connecting separate components)
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Marvin posted that a while back, and I believe part of that only. The doctor has an agenda, but I don't think it's ludicrous to suggest Steve wasn't himself the reason for his own death.
In any other situation sure, but the man had cancer. Shouldn't blame him for that, not like he drove too fast on a rainy day and slid off a cliff.
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Originally Posted by jd_in_sb
Maps happened under Cook and MobileMe happened under Jobs. Sh*t happens regardless of who is CEO.
Are you comparing those two events as being equal?
I think MM was a "meh" event.
Maps on the other hand was much larger and we'll never know the damage caused.
I would have picked Antennagate as equal.
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Originally Posted by waldobushman
How often can Apple create or redefine an entire industry? That is what people seem to be expecting. I might be naive but that level of innovation seems quite difficult to achieve. It's quite amazing that it has done this more than once, much less massive changes at least 3-4 times within the last 10 years.
Let me make a quick list just in the past 10 years:
* music players/music retail (music stores no longer exist),
* mobile phone/mobile industry: smart phones, cut the phone companies' legs out from control of phone features,
* GPS: on phones, tag pictures with location, dedicated devices less needed
* gaming platform
* Application development industry for mobile devices
* Tablet market
* eBooks market
* Delivery of apps for both mobile devices and laptop/desktops via internet
* Elimination of floppy disks
* Elimination of serial and parallel ports
* WiFi as standard equipment on all devices
* Touch devices along with standard touch screen "language"
* Quality design of devices
* Quality of manufacturing of devices
* Replacement of moveable storage media with solid state storage
* Automatic backup (Time Machine)
* All-in-one desktops (elimination of wires connecting separate components)
All Tim needs to do is to go up there and in short sentences explain some of the marvels in simplistic or layman's term on some of their products and features. That's all he has to do.
What I got out of Tim the last 2+ yrs is that he has not changed much at all, while behind the scenes he got rid of people who were competing for his job as the face of Apple. He's most likely a ruthless CEO instead of caring about the company's future prospects, he's just another machiavellian boss.
Don't. Oh, why'd you do that? Now we're gonna get a parade of "Apple fanboy site gushes over their new master" headlines...
In his position as the new steward of the company, with the toughest act in history to follow, he has no business tipping his hand in the slightest. It would be unthinkable in fact. A guy like him knows that the only thing that matters is performance, success that lands on the market like a ton of bricks, as a surprise. This is what makes him so fascinating to watch, to those who can see: his absolute self-control and his poler-faced dedication to keeping his cards close to his vest.
Yes, equally fake and overblown. I'm sure you'll be the first to let us know what damage Maps has "caused."
Sorry, but I see you have taken the bait. This bit of unattested "news gathering" by the reporters could be total cherry picking or even made up entirely. It's the poison pill of FUD that the article was meant to deliver. Hardware engineers are leaving Apple! Oh no!!!
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Originally Posted by GoonerYoda
I want to know what he say's that makes you want to feel like you should crawl back into a hole and die. Can't be any worse than an old boss of mine.
"You should crawl back into a hole and die."
"Yes, Tim."
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
Yes, equally fake and overblown. I'm sure you'll be the first to let us know what damage Maps has "caused."
Not fake, possibly overblown.
As I said, we will never know the damage that was caused. Maybe you can enlighten us as to how many sales were lost because of each of those events.
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
It's the poison pill of FUD that the article was meant to deliver. Hardware engineers are leaving Apple! Oh no!!!
FUD or not. Some hardware engineers are leaving Apple. In general, talent retention is a challenge for every successful Silicon Valley company. Everyone of them. To deny this is not just ignorant but is in fact a form of trolling in itself.
Absolute, unadulterated nonsense.
One of the lessons from Apple over the past decade was not to worry too much about specs or "the way it needs to be done" and to focus on the task at hand. If integrated graphics are fast enough to get the job done, they why add the extra bulk, cost, and battery drain of dedicated graphics? Your attitude of "a REAL computer must have xyz" is one of the things that Jobs rebelled against - and he rewrote the book on computing.
Not to mention, of course, that most of the Mac pro laptops have dedicated graphics, anyway.