If Microsoft really wanted to fix things then replacing Ballmer a long time ago with damn near anybody would have been a smarter move then this deal. jmho
I'm glad Nokia is coming out of it alright. They made horrible phones IMO, but they are a grand old company that has been around for many decades. It's nice to see them transform once again but still survive.
I think Microsoft's Board is rudderless. They've hit some choppy seas and nobody knows what to do. Panic has set in.
The "rudder" is supposed to be Bill Gates, but if you ignore his glowing autobiography, his tech "vision" has been completely wrong more times than Balmers. I think this shows that while they got rid of Balmer, they are still executing on his general plan to consolidate everything under one roof, double-down on following Apple into the hardware market, and ignore the many sensible suggestions that they should get out of the consumer sphere altogether.
All good news for Apple. Microsoft cannot possibly execute this plan, but it will be three to five years before they realise it and start paring things away or changing course.
They will have to buy a PC manufacturer next, to continue on this path (to oblivion).
When Elop left M$ to go to Nokia I said he was sent there to help M$ buy them, here we are 2 yrs later and Elop is now coming back to M$ with probably a big bonus for the sale of Nokia. At least M$ did not over pay as Google did for Motorola. M$ now have access to all the Nortel mobile communication patents as well and now all of the Nokia ones.
Google thought they had a strong position in the patent wars with the Motorola treasure trove, but the courts many them radio active. Now Apple and M$ have a stock pile of patents to defend against Google.
"Designed by Microsoft in Finland" just doesn't have the same ring to it as Apple's slogan.
freerange wrote: »
After seeing the news regarding "Microsoft acquiring Nokia mobile division" I looked up MSFT's actual press release. This is one of the most moronic deals I have ever seen in the tech space, and having worked for the #2 and #3 law firms in Silicon Valley I have seen a lot of deals.
MSFT actually acquired nothing more than the employees and factories for the phone division, not the name, which they will need to license from Nokia, and "Nokia will continue to own and manage the brand". MSFT will also only license the Nokia HERE mapping program under a four year deal, and Nokia related patents for 10 years and, very importantly, on a non-exclusive basis. They did not acquire some of the most valuable assets - mapping and the services businesses. Thus MSFT has acquired the money losing operations, which includes 10's of thousands of employees and uncompetitive manufacturing facilities based on geographic location, and left Nokia with the profitable services, patent licensing, and the potential for advertising and licensing for the mapping business. BRILLIANT!!!! This should work out well for them, in a Kin and Surface sort of way...
OMG! I have to admit I was surprised by this! So the new Phones will no longer carry the Nokia brand? Will they just be called Microsoft phones? Strange how Microsoft has chosen to follow the Apple route and become a Software AND Hardware company in this business segment... Designed by Microsoft in Redmond"? LOL... So with Apple, Google and Microsoft all offering complete solutions... what will Samsung, LG, HTC and Sony do? Will they release their own OSs? Will they simply fork Android and linger on Google until "big brother" decides otherwise? It'll sure be interesting to see how it all unfolds in the coming months-years...
Microsoft got patents to things like pureview. It also now has the patent agreement nokia had with qualcom. Microsoft also got any Patents that nokia shared with qualcom. The Microsoft PDF states they got over 8500 patents with the purchase. This purchase also gives Microsoft an option to have a perpetual license to nokias patents that they did not sell to Microsoft.
So it does benefit Microsoft for the patents alone.
Consumers don't care about Windows Phone *already*, with all of Nokia's and MS' combined effort.
What's going to change that will make this redundant platform (in light of Android and iOS) relevant?
Who cares for or wants a Windows Phone when you've already got iOS at the Premium end, and Android serving all other price-points?
This is supposed to change what? Nokia already makes Windows phones, so Nokia will lose Symbian completely for the Asha line? Fire Ballmer now b**ches.
Nokia's Asha line doesn't use Symbian, it uses Nokia OS. Symbian died with the Nokia 808 Pureview.
rajaram wrote: »
This could be a loser deal for MSFT for many reasons, however I don't see why not having use of the Nokia brandname would be one of them. They could brand future phones from this acquisition by Microsoft, or something else by Microsoft, can't they? Microsoft, for all its failures still remains a strong brand.
German appeals court lifts Google's bogus patent injunction over push email against Apple's iCloud
Google wasted a ton of money on Motorola's patents. As of today, it has zero -- I repeat, zero -- enforceable patent injunctions in place against Apple and Microsoft, after almost three years of litigation. By contrast, Apple and Microsoft have scored a number of real wins against Motorola Mobility.
AppleInsider wrote: »
As part of the deal, Microsoft will be able to use the Nokia brand in a limited capacity on the company's "feature phone" platforms. Nokia will be unable to license its brand for use with mobile devices for a 30-month period after closing, and will not be able to use the brand on its own products until the end of 2016.
The sale of its handset division to Microsoft, as well as the buyout of the Nokia Siemens Network, has now transformed Nokia into an network infrastructure focused business, Um said. Microsoft, meanwhile, has inherited a business "fraught with peril given competitive forces and its limited product acceptance."
That's the difference. This time, they do not have the reserves to fight Apple.
But frankly, Apple is out of their reach since 98, they will never touch the premium segment again. What about the rest?
Microsoft also does not have the reserves to fight Google and Samsung. Even if they have the money, Google has the brain. Proof? Use a sub 800 windows computer. Use a sub 400 android device. Use Google's vs Microsoft's services.
Google already won that war.
daveinpublic wrote: »
I had a glimmer of hope for Microsoft's next CEO before this move by Ballmer, but now, not sure. It will take them years to find direction for the company. This move takes them one step back. Balmier is trying to recreate his last success, Xbox, in the cellphone world. But this market is different, ur not simply competing against Nintendo and Sony, ur competing against 100 models. This was the only obvious move he had left, but not a good one. I can't imagine any companies creating more windows phones anymore, or trying their best anyway. Microsoft is finally seen for what they always were, a company that copies to make quick cash. They were never anything more. Android beat them to the punch this time, so there's no place for them. I hope they learned more than just to copy quicker next time.