You need to understand that Fran, like other would be Messiahs of gratuitis hardware panacea, knows absolutely nothing about any upcoming Apple product. If he is under the impression that a 'source' has beneficently bestowed upon him some insider knowledge, then he too is in for some serious dissapointment.
Just about the time I started lurking here -- well before the AI blackout, back in the days of the earliest P1 speculation (and retina searing black and teal layout) Lo, about in the age of Erimac... well, anyway, about that time, Fran had similar bullshjt going on, and nothing ever came of it, only difference was back then there were even bigger BSer's attracting most of the attention.
I don't really think, Fran, that you're trying to mislead anyone. I think you just might believe that you've been given some inside info that you must protect, but rest assured, you haven't got squat.
Like I said, take my posts whatever way you want to.
But I've outlined this the best I can. If you don't think it's plausible, then fine. But I've never posted pure BS before about anything like this, even in the 'good old days'.
<strong>Personally, I always think that the iBook is going to be converted into somekind of tablet notebook, with a swiveling screen, it can be converted from the traditionally otebook mode into tablet mode, and vice versa.
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I like that idea too, but will such a rig hold up to students? The hinge for that seems like it would wear out quickly and/or be easily broken.
[edit] "duh! must type before click post!" *smacks forehead* V8 juice is heard dripping on the floor.
Inkwell being released this summer is perhaps the biggest surprise of Jaguar. Who really believes that it was developed and tested and included in Jaguar just so designers could scribble a few words on their tablets? Something is afoot.
I like the idea of a PDA which is an extension of your OS X desk top. That is the kind of PDA I want. I don't want to learn Palm or any other PDA's software. I just want to tear off a piece of my desktop which I already know well and carry that around with me.
As for the market being saturated, who knows? If Apple just makes an Apple branded version of a Palm then yes, the market is saturated. If they make something else which is roughly that size but much cooler they could sell enough to make it worthwhile. How many iPods sell per year? Also, just as iPods help sell Macs so would a PDA of some sort. (portable desktop avatar?)
Well Handspring's just unveiled their new Treo 90. <a href="http://www.handspring.com"; target="_blank">www.handspring.com</a>
I've decided to buy one (at $459. CDN.) and it will arrive in two to three weeks, which means that Apple unveiling their PDA at MWNY is now GUARANTEED!
Agreed, Handspring is *so* close. I did read that they may release an update to the 4.1H OS to allow the Treo 90 to use the Palm Bluetooth Card but as it is now, the Treo 90 doesn't have that capability.
But since you can't get a Bluetooth adapter for an iBook or iMac... what's the point...
I've been following a bit of our friends in the OS X forum (and other sites) who have installed Jaguar.
Funny thing is, I've seen it mentioned on two occasions that someone couldn't find Inkwell or that it isn't included in the Jaguar beta that's going around. (Can someone in the know clarify this?)
Is Apple holding Inkwell back from Developers so that they'll be the first to release a device that uses it? And since Jobs felt confident enough to publicly announce Inkwell, wouldn't that mean that an Inkwell-using device would almost have to debut at MWNY?
Well, one PDA supporting tidbit is comes from Jobs' own Xserver announcement.
I you watch the QT stream, about 50 minutes or so in, he sarcastically mentions that inkwell technologie comes from "that other thing" or "you know what" or something to that effect. Clearly a reference to the newton and it's left over technology.
But was it grudging acknowledgement of an upcoming PDA or just Steve personally turning the knife in Fran's side? We know he hates all things Sculley, and you could practically hear it in his voice.
I concur with Fran, Inkwell, the iPod, and a couple of other moves do point directly at an Apple device in the near future to be a new type of PDA or related item.
Ihaven't seen any mention elswhere, but it looks toi me as if Inkwell is based upon MacHandwriter that I got in 1994 put out by Communications Intelligence Corp. It came with a calcomp tablet and a cordless pen.
I used it with our IIci and on our 8500. It still works at os9.04, though I don't use it often. I haven't tried it on the G4 because it's an adb tablet.
I always assumed that the Newton recognition structure stemmed from this.
According to the literature MacHandwriter was first available in Japan in 1991 and made compatible with KanjiTalk system 7 in 1993.
The precursor was PenDOS handwriting environment and Handwriter recognition system which were exclusively sublicensed by IBM.
I'm not in anyway suggesting that Apple wouldn't release a PDA-like product. But, I don't think that Jobs would have given it away with the Inkwell demo. A handheld extension of your mac seems like the only possible step left to fulfilling his digital hub, for now. But just because of there is Inkwell, doesn't mean that this is what they're doing.
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Just about the time I started lurking here -- well before the AI blackout, back in the days of the earliest P1 speculation (and retina searing black and teal layout) Lo, about in the age of Erimac... well, anyway, about that time, Fran had similar bullshjt going on, and nothing ever came of it, only difference was back then there were even bigger BSer's attracting most of the attention.
I don't really think, Fran, that you're trying to mislead anyone. I think you just might believe that you've been given some inside info that you must protect, but rest assured, you haven't got squat.
But I've outlined this the best I can. If you don't think it's plausible, then fine. But I've never posted pure BS before about anything like this, even in the 'good old days'.
<strong>Personally, I always think that the iBook is going to be converted into somekind of tablet notebook, with a swiveling screen, it can be converted from the traditionally otebook mode into tablet mode, and vice versa.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I like that idea too, but will such a rig hold up to students? The hinge for that seems like it would wear out quickly and/or be easily broken.
[edit] "duh! must type before click post!" *smacks forehead* V8 juice is heard dripping on the floor.
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I like the idea of a PDA which is an extension of your OS X desk top. That is the kind of PDA I want. I don't want to learn Palm or any other PDA's software. I just want to tear off a piece of my desktop which I already know well and carry that around with me.
As for the market being saturated, who knows? If Apple just makes an Apple branded version of a Palm then yes, the market is saturated. If they make something else which is roughly that size but much cooler they could sell enough to make it worthwhile. How many iPods sell per year? Also, just as iPods help sell Macs so would a PDA of some sort. (portable desktop avatar?)
<a href="http://www.powerpage.org/story.lasso?newsID=9389"; target="_blank">http://www.powerpage.org/story.lasso?newsID=9389</a>;
I've decided to buy one (at $459. CDN.) and it will arrive in two to three weeks, which means that Apple unveiling their PDA at MWNY is now GUARANTEED!
Keyboard? Bold move.
But still on Dragonball 33MHz and no built in Bluetooth? Oh dear, they are so close.
Screed ...plugging along with my IIIx
But since you can't get a Bluetooth adapter for an iBook or iMac... what's the point...
Mike
Regretting he bought a Palm m130
Funny thing is, I've seen it mentioned on two occasions that someone couldn't find Inkwell or that it isn't included in the Jaguar beta that's going around. (Can someone in the know clarify this?)
Is Apple holding Inkwell back from Developers so that they'll be the first to release a device that uses it? And since Jobs felt confident enough to publicly announce Inkwell, wouldn't that mean that an Inkwell-using device would almost have to debut at MWNY?
Interestingly one Inkwell preference pane states in bold letters: To use Inkwell you must have a graphics tablet. (Or words to that effect).
Well of course! What else could it be used for? (Nudge, nudge...)
Screed
I you watch the QT stream, about 50 minutes or so in, he sarcastically mentions that inkwell technologie comes from "that other thing" or "you know what" or something to that effect. Clearly a reference to the newton and it's left over technology.
But was it grudging acknowledgement of an upcoming PDA or just Steve personally turning the knife in Fran's side? We know he hates all things Sculley, and you could practically hear it in his voice.
The tablet references in Jaguar are for input devices ( Like the ones the Pixar graphic artists use ), not some new PDA.
<a href="http://www.oqo.com/"; target="_blank">http://www.oqo.com/</a>;
I used it with our IIci and on our 8500. It still works at os9.04, though I don't use it often. I haven't tried it on the G4 because it's an adb tablet.
I always assumed that the Newton recognition structure stemmed from this.
According to the literature MacHandwriter was first available in Japan in 1991 and made compatible with KanjiTalk system 7 in 1993.
The precursor was PenDOS handwriting environment and Handwriter recognition system which were exclusively sublicensed by IBM.
Inkwell is totally based on Rosetta, the handwriting recognition that was completely rewritten for Newton OS 2.0.