Hopefully Apple won't be sending any of their custom A7 designs to Samsung, cutting off their source of "inspiration".
Maybe they can take things further by allowing HTC limited use of a version of these chips, taking Samsung down a notch or two with a competitive product and further cementing their relationship with Taiwan.
HTC and TSMC are two very different companies. HTC happens to be competing with Apple, why should Apple feed the opposition?? Hell, even if they did that there's no guarantee HTC won't "borrow" those plans to Samscum. Heliocentric Theological Church!
Those saying a move to a 64-bit processor is useless are being short sighted, though yes the immediate benefits aren't great. Apple should be commended for being the first in market.
Those saying Samsung, Qualcomm or other ARM users are only moving to 64-bit processors b/c of Apple's announcement are equally as foolish. Their designs using ARMv8 have likely been in progress for at least a year and the design, tooling, testing, and manufacturing of a new processor is years in the making. You cannot "decide" to launch a 64-bit processor in a year.
What is impressive is that Apple was able to be the first to market by a considerable margin. However, I'd expect that by next year, it'll be pretty commonplace.
Well, by next year, there will be 64 bit ARM chips on the market. There is no word on when Android will support 64 bit. It's almost certain that Kitkat will not be 64 bit, so it may well be 2015 before Android can offer that.
Well, by next year, there will be 64 bit ARM chips on the market. There is no word on when Android will support 64 bit. It's almost certain that Kitkat will not be 64 bit, so it may well be 2015 before Android can offer that.
If that's the case, then the majority won't get it before 2016/2017. Wow.
I think i can now finally understand why the Android Camp hated us.
Please, take AI's technical analysis with a big gain of salt. Most of the issues with this "Editorial" are already addressed by many others. If you are interested in those, Anandtech is a good place to start with.
And please ignore most of these post on Software issues with 64bit codebase etc. Most of them are plain wrong.
Interesting article, but I think you are somewhat off on Samsung's use of Qualcomm. That is almost certainly a modem driven choice. It's also not clear that while Samsung is still working for Apple that they have the raw capacity to make enough Exynos for their own phones, even absent the LTE issue.
Once Apple is out of Samsung foundries, we may see things change substantially.
<p>Years ago on this very site, I imagined a 'headless' Mac that used a wirelessly-connected tablet as its screen. (I was 'The Steve Jobs Mind-Meld' back then, I think)</p>
<p> </p>
<p>There have been apps that allow a certain amount on desktop activity via iPhone, but a move like the one I just described has not happened; the A7 forward may well change that, and since the only reason my Mac can't run 10.7 + is it's a 32-bit processor, we may se a complete shuffling of the Apple product lineup due to this. Many new things may become possible.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Imagine with me the real digital hub: headed or headless, powerful enough to serve files, media, print, etc AND powerful enough to provide each user with a convincing user experience, even when everyone's using it; A7-heritage allows iPad 5 (6?) to provide touch-screen access to an account on the Mac, with all that implies. Monitor sales shrink, iMacs are repositioned, Mac Pro re-design gets utilized top to bottom. Thunderbolt becomes commodity. Mac sales soar. iPad sales soar. The end.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The pieces are coming together much more convincingly than I'd imagined.</p>
The chip company that AI should focus on is not Samsung, it is Intel. Sure Samsung's processor may have its flaws but it is is still a lot faster than the previous year's CPUs. Now look at Intel's CPUs for 2013 vs 2012. They are barely faster. They made the graphics a lot better and greatly improved the energy use but the performance at the high end has only improved by a few percentage points. Meanwhile mobile processors are advancing at about 2x performance per year. In fact as Apple said the A7 is now reaching desktop CPU capabilities. It won't be long before the mobile processors start to catch up with Intel's desktop CPUs.
Years ago on this very site, I imagined a 'headless' Mac that used a wirelessly-connected tablet as its screen. (I was 'The Steve Jobs Mind-Meld' back then, I think)
There have been apps that allow a certain amount on desktop activity via iPhone, but a move like the one I just described has not happened; the A7 forward may well change that, and since the only reason my Mac can't run 10.7 + is it's a 32-bit processor, we may se a complete shuffling of the Apple product lineup due to this. Many new things may become possible.
Imagine with me the real digital hub: headed or headless, powerful enough to serve files, media, print, etc AND powerful enough to provide each user with a convincing user experience, even when everyone's using it; A7-heritage allows iPad 5 (6?) to provide touch-screen access to an account on the Mac, with all that implies. Monitor sales shrink, iMacs are repositioned, Mac Pro re-design gets utilized top to bottom. Thunderbolt becomes commodity. Mac sales soar. iPad sales soar. The end.
The pieces are coming together much more convincingly than I'd imagined.
What could be interesting is the next AppleTV or derivatives of the form factor.
Add an HDMI in, 64-bit A7X, thunderbolt, say, 4-16 GB RAM, 256GB SSD -- and you have your headless hub serving up to 4K video and able to concurrently serve different live or recorder video, concurrently, to the big screen and multiple iPads used as personal TVs.
One thing that amazes me: When it comes to technology and Apple...a site like AI and many of its readers can see right through the media bull****.
But the same people usually and typically cannot see through the media bull**** in almost every single other facet of media reporting.
Unrelated, I know. I just find ironic and disappointing how people think the media tells them the truth about anything, when your own expertise is enough to know they are flat out lying or kowtowing to gov/corp about technology.
It's worth noting that even with Samsung announcing 64-bit phones in the future, android remains to be a 32-bit OS.
what's amazing is no one in the tech media is calling SS out for this obvious "me-too" vaporware BS - so totally lame. so totally deserving of ridicule.
Well no one knows the extent apple is already relying on the 64 bit chip. The fingerprint sensor and the camera features probably rely heavily on it. Yes obviously there will be a ton of applications for a 64bit smart phone - just wait to see what the devs cook up. And as this article points out - there is the usual anti-appletards spouting pablem about how wrong or unimportant apple's breakthroughs are - only to eat their words later as they use apple championed/developed technology in their future device.
yes. but in this case i think this is one time Apple itself should clarify the topic and describe what the 64 bit capability is doing right away on the 5s. understatement is good as a general rule, but sometimes it is just too little, and this is one of them.
It's worth noting that even with Samsung announcing 64-bit phones in the future, android remains to be a 32-bit OS.
what's amazing is no one in the tech media is calling SS out for this obvious "me-too" vaporware BS - so totally lame. so totally deserving of ridicule.
Well, by next year, there will be 64 bit ARM chips on the market. There is no word on when Android will support 64 bit. It's almost certain that Kitkat will not be 64 bit, so it may well be 2015 before Android can offer that.
Where did you get that information from?
I really think you're way off here.
Google is testing Linux Kernel 3.7+ since january and already published release candidates with armv8 support:
If you wanted to release a 64bit android device, all you need is 64bit drivers for those components and you're good to go (which means compile android with armv8 as target architecture + make sure that you have libs for jni to ensure native code can be run in a 32bit compatibility environment).
From reading that Android blog, it looks like it's mandatory to be stupid. Yes, Android. For the stupidities of us.
This one: "My understanding was, and I could be wrong, is that with multi core units you can have 64 bit regardless of each processor since the system could open another one for the other 32 bits. Hence memory being in matched banks."
It's worth noting that even with Samsung announcing 64-bit phones in the future, android remains to be a 32-bit OS.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> As is Google Chrome. Not likely to change any time soon, since Google knows nothing about modern software.
This one: "My understanding was, and I could be wrong, is that with multi core units you can have 64 bit regardless of each processor since the system could open another one for the other 32 bits. Hence memory being in matched banks."
No way you made this up. This has GOT to be from an Android user. Just GOT to be!
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Great article as always! Thank you DED!!!
PS: LOL at the clueless fandroids who tried to invalidate the article. Truly pathetic!!
Hopefully Apple won't be sending any of their custom A7 designs to Samsung, cutting off their source of "inspiration".
Maybe they can take things further by allowing HTC limited use of a version of these chips, taking Samsung down a notch or two with a competitive product and further cementing their relationship with Taiwan.
HTC and TSMC are two very different companies. HTC happens to be competing with Apple, why should Apple feed the opposition?? Hell, even if they did that there's no guarantee HTC won't "borrow" those plans to Samscum. Heliocentric Theological Church!
Well, by next year, there will be 64 bit ARM chips on the market. There is no word on when Android will support 64 bit. It's almost certain that Kitkat will not be 64 bit, so it may well be 2015 before Android can offer that.
It is, however, funny to watch the fandroids pretending that Android is already 64 bit:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-tablet-2012/206270-android-64-bit-nexus-7-a.html
If that's the case, then the majority won't get it before 2016/2017. Wow.
From reading that Android blog, it looks like it's mandatory to be stupid. Yes, Android. For the stupidities of us.
I think i can now finally understand why the Android Camp hated us.
Please, take AI's technical analysis with a big gain of salt. Most of the issues with this "Editorial" are already addressed by many others. If you are interested in those, Anandtech is a good place to start with.
And please ignore most of these post on Software issues with 64bit codebase etc. Most of them are plain wrong.
Once Apple is out of Samsung foundries, we may see things change substantially.
<p> </p>
<p>There have been apps that allow a certain amount on desktop activity via iPhone, but a move like the one I just described has not happened; the A7 forward may well change that, and since the only reason my Mac can't run 10.7 + is it's a 32-bit processor, we may se a complete shuffling of the Apple product lineup due to this. Many new things may become possible.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Imagine with me the real digital hub: headed or headless, powerful enough to serve files, media, print, etc AND powerful enough to provide each user with a convincing user experience, even when everyone's using it; A7-heritage allows iPad 5 (6?) to provide touch-screen access to an account on the Mac, with all that implies. Monitor sales shrink, iMacs are repositioned, Mac Pro re-design gets utilized top to bottom. Thunderbolt becomes commodity. Mac sales soar. iPad sales soar. The end.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The pieces are coming together much more convincingly than I'd imagined.</p>
The chip company that AI should focus on is not Samsung, it is Intel. Sure Samsung's processor may have its flaws but it is is still a lot faster than the previous year's CPUs. Now look at Intel's CPUs for 2013 vs 2012. They are barely faster. They made the graphics a lot better and greatly improved the energy use but the performance at the high end has only improved by a few percentage points. Meanwhile mobile processors are advancing at about 2x performance per year. In fact as Apple said the A7 is now reaching desktop CPU capabilities. It won't be long before the mobile processors start to catch up with Intel's desktop CPUs.
What could be interesting is the next AppleTV or derivatives of the form factor.
Add an HDMI in, 64-bit A7X, thunderbolt, say, 4-16 GB RAM, 256GB SSD -- and you have your headless hub serving up to 4K video and able to concurrently serve different live or recorder video, concurrently, to the big screen and multiple iPads used as personal TVs.
One thing that amazes me: When it comes to technology and Apple...a site like AI and many of its readers can see right through the media bull****.
But the same people usually and typically cannot see through the media bull**** in almost every single other facet of media reporting.
Unrelated, I know. I just find ironic and disappointing how people think the media tells them the truth about anything, when your own expertise is enough to know they are flat out lying or kowtowing to gov/corp about technology.
It's worth noting that even with Samsung announcing 64-bit phones in the future, android remains to be a 32-bit OS.
what's amazing is no one in the tech media is calling SS out for this obvious "me-too" vaporware BS - so totally lame. so totally deserving of ridicule.
Well no one knows the extent apple is already relying on the 64 bit chip. The fingerprint sensor and the camera features probably rely heavily on it. Yes obviously there will be a ton of applications for a 64bit smart phone - just wait to see what the devs cook up. And as this article points out - there is the usual anti-appletards spouting pablem about how wrong or unimportant apple's breakthroughs are - only to eat their words later as they use apple championed/developed technology in their future device.
yes. but in this case i think this is one time Apple itself should clarify the topic and describe what the 64 bit capability is doing right away on the 5s. understatement is good as a general rule, but sometimes it is just too little, and this is one of them.
It's worth noting that even with Samsung announcing 64-bit phones in the future, android remains to be a 32-bit OS.
what's amazing is no one in the tech media is calling SS out for this obvious "me-too" vaporware BS - so totally lame. so totally deserving of ridicule.
This article gets a nice shout-out in Fortune: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/09/15/apple-a7-samsung-tsmc/
Well, by next year, there will be 64 bit ARM chips on the market. There is no word on when Android will support 64 bit. It's almost certain that Kitkat will not be 64 bit, so it may well be 2015 before Android can offer that.
Where did you get that information from?
I really think you're way off here.
Google is testing Linux Kernel 3.7+ since january and already published release candidates with armv8 support:
https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common/+/experimental/android-3.10-rc5/arch/arm64/
If you wanted to release a 64bit android device, all you need is 64bit drivers for those components and you're good to go (which means compile android with armv8 as target architecture + make sure that you have libs for jni to ensure native code can be run in a 32bit compatibility environment).
It's worth noting that even with Samsung announcing 64-bit phones in the future, android remains to be a 32-bit OS.
Shhh... don't spoil the moment for them. I can picture it now: they look so happy!
From reading that Android blog, it looks like it's mandatory to be stupid. Yes, Android. For the stupidities of us.
This one: "My understanding was, and I could be wrong, is that with multi core units you can have 64 bit regardless of each processor since the system could open another one for the other 32 bits. Hence memory being in matched banks."
It's worth noting that even with Samsung announcing 64-bit phones in the future, android remains to be a 32-bit OS.
And re-write all their own apps and the SDK for their devs.
edit: Blimey! They have 39 apps!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Google+Inc.
edit 2: Geez, talk about fugly!
edit 3: Talk about useless!
Androidify yourself by customizing the little green Android as yourself.
Talk about weird: free apps you can put on your wishlist. Damn, I wish I hadn't gone to that site.
No way you made this up. This has GOT to be from an Android user. Just GOT to be!