You do know that Apple founded ARM, in partnership with Acorn, don't you?
It's right there on ARM's website, along with their first licensee which most definitely was not Samsung.
Apple had 40% financial stake in ARM Ltd in the early 90's, but Steve Jobs sold them at a huge loss in 1998. Portal Player supplied ARM based chips used in the early iPods; then switched to Samsung in 2006. Apple didn't have much in-house chip design expertise until it bought PA-semi (2008) and Intrinsity (2010).
Exynos 5 Octa disastrous? lol... now that's really funny. Since they've just finished expanding production in the hopes of keeping up with sales this year alone. Plus they were the FIRST to sign up for ARM A50 64bit chips last year on top of signing licensing deals with them being the first to incorporate ARM's own big LITTLE chip technology. Even Nvidia has their own form of big/LITTLE chip design. Better look up HSA members, so you don't get caught blowing chunks and hating for hate sake only.
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They also have at least one more product to launch this year that could have an their A50 64bit series chip, running along with A7's for the really big Exynos arse kicker. Running wouldn't you know it, both 64bit Tizen along side Android in ARM's hardware virtualization enabled on that 64bit chip! :DDD .....realizing that two heads are better than ONE!!!
This is AI, where deliberate misrepresentation/shoddy scholarship by some of its own editorial members is quite common -- see DED's other OP-EDs. I guess the fact that Apple's latest SOC, the A7, in the 5S is still made by Samsung does nothing to challenge DED's credibility among his minions.
<p>Apple had 40% financial stake in ARM Ltd in the early 90's, but Steve Jobs sold them at a huge loss in 1998. Portal Player supplied ARM based chips used in the early iPods; then switched to Samsung in 2006. Apple didn't have much in-house chip design expertise until it bought PA-semi (2008) and Intrinsity (2010).</p>
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This is AI, where deliberate misrepresentation/shoddy scholarship by some of its own editorial members is quite common -- see DED's other OP-EDs. I guess the fact that Apple's latest SOC, the A7, in the 5S is still made by Samsung does nothing to challenge DED's credibility among his minions.
Mate, you can't rewrite history, it's right there on ARM's website for the world to see:-
1990
Advanced RISC Machines (ARM) spins out of Acorn and Apple Computer's collaboration efforts with a charter to create a new microprocessor standard. VLSI Technology becomes an investor and the first licensee
Where's the rewrite of history? tooltalk outright said Apple had a stake in ARM until 1998. I'm not sure about the claim that it was sold at a huge loss, but nevertheless, they owned a stake, they don't any more.
Mate, you can't rewrite history, it's right there on ARM's website for the world to see:-
1990
Advanced RISC Machines (ARM) spins out of Acorn and Apple Computer's collaboration efforts with a charter to create a new microprocessor standard. VLSI Technology becomes an investor and the first licensee
Exactly. Now that Apple has a 64-bit SoC, it's possible that all they need to do for the next two or three years is to shrink the die. That means next year's "iPhone 6" might have a 14nm A8, which would be functionally identical to the A7 but faster.
It's supposedly the A9 that's going to 14nm. Several references to it over the past few months.
There's one HUGE piece of the evidence missing in this whole scenario. That's this simple fact; Samsung had to have their patented fabrication process already in place and lines already operating in order to begin production and ramp up of any 64bit bit chips. We do however know that Samsung was the first ARM licensee of the A50 64bit chips. Which is logical because Samsung has always been their Lead Foundry under the Common Platform Alliance. Whose other members include everyone that isn't Intel's Gate Last process.
Naturally these others like Samsung, ARM, Global, Freescale, STMicroelectronics, Infineon, Toshiba, etc all rely on IBM with it's premiere expertise in chip manufacturing going back even further in the history of Computing than Intel, to lead the...... WAY!
So Samsung actually went into ARM A50 64bit chip line retooling, test chip series fab sampling and subsequent ramp up before full production of those chips can even take place over the last year. Any assumptions that a fabricator already doesn't have division firewalling in place isn't familiar with how tightly even those fabrication production technologies and patented processes are run. If a customer is planning to take production of their chips to a competitor, what do you expect them to do, just hand all this IP and information over to Apple to take to Intel and TSMC? That's about as asinine an assumption as it gets. Every chip Fab & Design House puts in place special measures and NDA's for employees, both in and out of their employment, to not share secrets. Which both ARM and Apple are only two Design House Only chip designers. Intel, TSMC and Global are Fabrication Only chip makers. Others like Toshiba, Samsung, IBM are considered end to end Production Houses with all those Firewalling measures put in place to protect themselves and their always highly valued customer's best interest!
I would like to point out that companies like IBM and Samsung employ intermediary engineers that are highly trusted employees who know both sides of Design and Patented Process Fabrication Technology and each side (customer and fabricator) both pay a portion of their salary. Their heads are literally on the line and any transfer of technology can always be traced back to them. That's why you never hear of any technology transfers. Except in rare cases like that in Samsung claiming/suing LG for stolen OLED technology!
Now back to the really killer ARM, SAMSUNG, STMicroelectronics, etc and the other Alliance in the HSA Foundation for Heterogeneous Computing Platform. No doubt you already know AMD started this group back when they first bought ATI in order to bring about shared memory concepts to enable seamless cross platform computing amongst entirely different chips, including x86 and ARM chips with either ATI or any other HSA members GPU's and sub processors. This is how SAMSUNG intends for their ARM leading "big LITTLE" chip platform to have greater processing power than Apple's A7. They have taken an A50 series CPU and coupled it with A7's (which is putting both dissimilar GPU's and CPU's) together in ONE SoC Chip! ......these lines were retooled last year and ramped up now since January. Did Apple somehow get in on a ARM HSA partnership without being a member of the HSA? It's highly doubtful, because they are not in the habit of sharing technologies like these two other group's members. But they are most likely using the same 64bit retooled and ramped up lines as Samsung themselves are using right now for an unreleased product. Because it is now confirmed that Apple is indeed using Samsung's Austin Texas State of the Art Foundries with now over 12 Billion dollars invested over just the last three years!
Until and unless Apple actually comes to grips with making a break with their legacy secrecy and Think Different non co-operative past, well before that HFS+ 2040 Bug hits and designs another file system to compute they will be the only lonely corporation lost in their past instead of creating a better future NOW. They need to incorporate or steal a clone of IBM's "Pervasive Multi-threading" to enable computing throughout their entire software and hardware stack. Until such a time, they will be a slave to their own 70's MFS based HFS file system, with it's 90's Plus "Preemptive Task Management" stacking tasks one on top of the other until that bug hits. Which is instead with IBM's technology, disseminating tasks all running concurrently on different cores. Pop in HSA's Platform Alliance, where they can add full API-less Cross Platform Computing for the Ultimate Win against even Intel! ......which only recently made Heterogeneous Cross Platform Computing a..... PRIORITY! ...as if they came up with the idea in the first place and as we all know it's actually AMD that made the first move many years ago in buying ATI!
There you have it, the rumor mill has been silenced and we now know why Samsung's Octa bigLITTLE and AMD's HSA Fusion Chip Future will undoubtedly RULE with IBM's process technology, in the Common Platform Alliance, that includes that Juicy full ARM Chip Design and Instruction Sets for their own 64bit chip computing future!!! .......where they've learned two or more heads are always better than..... ONE BIG FAT ONE!!!
The basic RISC process had been pioneered by IBM. No doubt they were trying to still knock IBM out of the Desktop computing picture back then, by developing a RISC clone. So when that failed Steve and crew still had so much hate in themselves (like cancer it tends to kill you), they stole some of IBM's technology and gave it to Intel, to see if they could kill their Orwellian IBM Competitor! ......and IBM? Still as Big and Blue as ever! ;-P
In fact IBM, ARM and Samsung have one of the best corporate partnerships on the planet and now Apple is jealous as hell, while still being somehow dependent on all three of them for technology, parts or chip designs! ^_*
The basic RISC process had been pioneered by IBM. No doubt they were trying to still knock IBM out of the Desktop computing picture back then, by developing a RISC clone. So when that failed Steve and crew still had so much hate in themselves (like cancer it tends to kill you), they stole some of IBM's technology and gave it to Intel, to see if they could kill their Orwellian IBM Competitor! ......and IBM? Still as Big and Blue as ever! ;-P
In fact IBM, ARM and Samsung have one of the best corporate partnerships on the planet and now Apple is jealous as hell, while still being somehow dependent on all three of them for technology, parts or chip designs! ^_*
ARM is not controlled or in any way owned or obligated to Apple for anything. In fact they are better partners to Samsung than Apple will ever be a partner to any other corporation. Because they all know Samsung can be trusted to not attempt to sue their best parts supplier out of business. As if they really could! lol.... Apple's Thermonuclear iSue Warheads must have all been found to be inert or ineffective against Samsung. Still the #1 Electronics Global Conglomerate on the Planet today! :DDD ......and now I just felt a drop of rain on Apple's parade. Oh.... it must have been tears from the dead people in heaven. Which includes Steve..... oh maybe not him, cuz I think he went to that other place!
If Apple was ever to leave Samsung it was likely to be with a brand new architecture. As I mentioned earlier this is as much a Samsung design as an Apple design and this is shown time and time again.
It just just an advanced variant of the Exynos. Samsung cannot move to 64 bit for Android by themselves but they can obviously profit well from selling their multi layered skills on to Apple. The A6 and A7 are chips are certainly primarily designed much by Samsung but commissioned by Apple.
Perplexingly I heard someone say this was big-little. Always unlikely. More likely in the iPad revamp but even there, knowing Apple's tight control of costs I have some doubts in this matter.
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You do know that Apple founded ARM, in partnership with Acorn, don't you?
It's right there on ARM's website, along with their first licensee which most definitely was not Samsung.
Apple had 40% financial stake in ARM Ltd in the early 90's, but Steve Jobs sold them at a huge loss in 1998. Portal Player supplied ARM based chips used in the early iPods; then switched to Samsung in 2006. Apple didn't have much in-house chip design expertise until it bought PA-semi (2008) and Intrinsity (2010).
Exynos 5 Octa disastrous? lol... now that's really funny. Since they've just finished expanding production in the hopes of keeping up with sales this year alone. Plus they were the FIRST to sign up for ARM A50 64bit chips last year on top of signing licensing deals with them being the first to incorporate ARM's own big LITTLE chip technology. Even Nvidia has their own form of big/LITTLE chip design. Better look up HSA members, so you don't get caught blowing chunks and hating for hate sake only.
They also have at least one more product to launch this year that could have an their A50 64bit series chip, running along with A7's for the really big Exynos arse kicker. Running wouldn't you know it, both 64bit Tizen along side Android in ARM's hardware virtualization enabled on that 64bit chip! :DDD .....realizing that two heads are better than ONE!!!
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<p>Apple had 40% financial stake in ARM Ltd in the early 90's, but Steve Jobs sold them at a huge loss in 1998. Portal Player supplied ARM based chips used in the early iPods; then switched to Samsung in 2006. Apple didn't have much in-house chip design expertise until it bought PA-semi (2008) and Intrinsity (2010).</p>
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Mate, you can't rewrite history, it's right there on ARM's website for the world to see:-
1990
Source
Where's the rewrite of history? tooltalk outright said Apple had a stake in ARM until 1998. I'm not sure about the claim that it was sold at a huge loss, but nevertheless, they owned a stake, they don't any more.
Pretty much confirmed. A7 is Samsung manufactured part.
http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/blog/inside-the-iphone-5s/
Mate, you can't rewrite history, it's right there on ARM's website for the world to see:-
1990
Source
It's supposedly the A9 that's going to 14nm. Several references to it over the past few months.
There's one HUGE piece of the evidence missing in this whole scenario. That's this simple fact; Samsung had to have their patented fabrication process already in place and lines already operating in order to begin production and ramp up of any 64bit bit chips. We do however know that Samsung was the first ARM licensee of the A50 64bit chips. Which is logical because Samsung has always been their Lead Foundry under the Common Platform Alliance. Whose other members include everyone that isn't Intel's Gate Last process.
http://www.arm.com/community/partners/company_list/rw/Programs/14,15/
Naturally these others like Samsung, ARM, Global, Freescale, STMicroelectronics, Infineon, Toshiba, etc all rely on IBM with it's premiere expertise in chip manufacturing going back even further in the history of Computing than Intel, to lead the...... WAY!
So Samsung actually went into ARM A50 64bit chip line retooling, test chip series fab sampling and subsequent ramp up before full production of those chips can even take place over the last year. Any assumptions that a fabricator already doesn't have division firewalling in place isn't familiar with how tightly even those fabrication production technologies and patented processes are run. If a customer is planning to take production of their chips to a competitor, what do you expect them to do, just hand all this IP and information over to Apple to take to Intel and TSMC? That's about as asinine an assumption as it gets. Every chip Fab & Design House puts in place special measures and NDA's for employees, both in and out of their employment, to not share secrets. Which both ARM and Apple are only two Design House Only chip designers. Intel, TSMC and Global are Fabrication Only chip makers. Others like Toshiba, Samsung, IBM are considered end to end Production Houses with all those Firewalling measures put in place to protect themselves and their always highly valued customer's best interest!
I would like to point out that companies like IBM and Samsung employ intermediary engineers that are highly trusted employees who know both sides of Design and Patented Process Fabrication Technology and each side (customer and fabricator) both pay a portion of their salary. Their heads are literally on the line and any transfer of technology can always be traced back to them. That's why you never hear of any technology transfers. Except in rare cases like that in Samsung claiming/suing LG for stolen OLED technology!
Now back to the really killer ARM, SAMSUNG, STMicroelectronics, etc and the other Alliance in the HSA Foundation for Heterogeneous Computing Platform. No doubt you already know AMD started this group back when they first bought ATI in order to bring about shared memory concepts to enable seamless cross platform computing amongst entirely different chips, including x86 and ARM chips with either ATI or any other HSA members GPU's and sub processors. This is how SAMSUNG intends for their ARM leading "big LITTLE" chip platform to have greater processing power than Apple's A7. They have taken an A50 series CPU and coupled it with A7's (which is putting both dissimilar GPU's and CPU's) together in ONE SoC Chip! ......these lines were retooled last year and ramped up now since January. Did Apple somehow get in on a ARM HSA partnership without being a member of the HSA? It's highly doubtful, because they are not in the habit of sharing technologies like these two other group's members. But they are most likely using the same 64bit retooled and ramped up lines as Samsung themselves are using right now for an unreleased product. Because it is now confirmed that Apple is indeed using Samsung's Austin Texas State of the Art Foundries with now over 12 Billion dollars invested over just the last three years!
Until and unless Apple actually comes to grips with making a break with their legacy secrecy and Think Different non co-operative past, well before that HFS+ 2040 Bug hits and designs another file system to compute they will be the only lonely corporation lost in their past instead of creating a better future NOW. They need to incorporate or steal a clone of IBM's "Pervasive Multi-threading" to enable computing throughout their entire software and hardware stack. Until such a time, they will be a slave to their own 70's MFS based HFS file system, with it's 90's Plus "Preemptive Task Management" stacking tasks one on top of the other until that bug hits. Which is instead with IBM's technology, disseminating tasks all running concurrently on different cores. Pop in HSA's Platform Alliance, where they can add full API-less Cross Platform Computing for the Ultimate Win against even Intel! ......which only recently made Heterogeneous Cross Platform Computing a..... PRIORITY! ...as if they came up with the idea in the first place and as we all know it's actually AMD that made the first move many years ago in buying ATI!
There you have it, the rumor mill has been silenced and we now know why Samsung's Octa bigLITTLE and AMD's HSA Fusion Chip Future will undoubtedly RULE with IBM's process technology, in the Common Platform Alliance, that includes that Juicy full ARM Chip Design and Instruction Sets for their own 64bit chip computing future!!! .......where they've learned two or more heads are always better than..... ONE BIG FAT ONE!!!
1 the exynos octa can use all 8 cores at once in the note 3 and a firmware update will be pushed to the gs4 and
2 the a7 is built by Samsung
Fail
1 the exynos octa can use all 8 cores at once in the note 3 and a firmware update will be pushed to the gs4 and
2 the a7 is built by Samsung
Fail
1 the exynos octa can use all 8 cores at once in the note 3 and a firmware update will be pushed to the gs4 and
2 the a7 is built by Samsung
Fail
1 the exynos octa can use all 8 cores at once in the note 3 and a firmware update will be pushed to the gs4 and
2 the a7 is built by Samsung
Fail
1 the octa core can use all 8 cores at once and
2 the a7 is made by Samsung
Samsung may have lost Apple's A7 contract
A7 is built by Samsung!
Samsung may have lost Apple’s A7 contract.
Your original statement is unjustified.
The basic RISC process had been pioneered by IBM. No doubt they were trying to still knock IBM out of the Desktop computing picture back then, by developing a RISC clone. So when that failed Steve and crew still had so much hate in themselves (like cancer it tends to kill you), they stole some of IBM's technology and gave it to Intel, to see if they could kill their Orwellian IBM Competitor! ......and IBM? Still as Big and Blue as ever! ;-P
In fact IBM, ARM and Samsung have one of the best corporate partnerships on the planet and now Apple is jealous as hell, while still being somehow dependent on all three of them for technology, parts or chip designs! ^_*
The basic RISC process had been pioneered by IBM. No doubt they were trying to still knock IBM out of the Desktop computing picture back then, by developing a RISC clone. So when that failed Steve and crew still had so much hate in themselves (like cancer it tends to kill you), they stole some of IBM's technology and gave it to Intel, to see if they could kill their Orwellian IBM Competitor! ......and IBM? Still as Big and Blue as ever! ;-P
In fact IBM, ARM and Samsung have one of the best corporate partnerships on the planet and now Apple is jealous as hell, while still being somehow dependent on all three of them for technology, parts or chip designs! ^_*
ARM is not controlled or in any way owned or obligated to Apple for anything. In fact they are better partners to Samsung than Apple will ever be a partner to any other corporation. Because they all know Samsung can be trusted to not attempt to sue their best parts supplier out of business. As if they really could! lol.... Apple's Thermonuclear iSue Warheads must have all been found to be inert or ineffective against Samsung. Still the #1 Electronics Global Conglomerate on the Planet today! :DDD ......and now I just felt a drop of rain on Apple's parade. Oh.... it must have been tears from the dead people in heaven. Which includes Steve..... oh maybe not him, cuz I think he went to that other place!
As I mentioned earlier this is as much a Samsung design as an Apple design and this is shown time and time again.
It just just an advanced variant of the Exynos. Samsung cannot move to 64 bit for Android by themselves but they can obviously profit well from selling their multi layered skills on to Apple.
The A6 and A7 are chips are certainly primarily designed much by Samsung but commissioned by Apple.
Perplexingly I heard someone say this was big-little. Always unlikely. More likely in the iPad revamp but even there, knowing Apple's tight control of costs I have some doubts in this matter.