Samsung spies on iPhone launch lines to pierce Apple mystique

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  • Reply 81 of 139
    dunksdunks Posts: 1,254member

    Let's see how Samsung manage the Android->Tizen transition.

     

    Android handsets are set to repeat the fate of netbooks. The same consumers that love cheap handsets will also love progressively cheaper handsets. Competition over progressively lower and lower margins heats up until it's basically pointless manufacturing them. Everyone made a quick grab for market share with big screened handsets (the benefits of which were easy to market) but how will they fare with progressively fewer new features to convince people to buy a second phone? And a third? The differentiators are gradually shifting from hardware to software. To manage that you need to manage the ecosystem. Samsung desperately needs to unhinge themselves from Google, but they risk bleeding customers if the transition to Tizen is handled poorly. There is potential for a lot of pain.

     

    Meanwhile Apple are positioned to complete a (relatively) painless transition to 64 bit, larger screens, and is basically in a position to adjust prices/margins overnight if they ever feel the need to. If Apple push into iBeacons for business they could leverage retail payments as a new revenue stream, get free business data to improve Apple Maps and, significantly, cut Google out of the loop for real-world, location based advertising. iBeacons will be to NFC what Touch ID was to other fingerprint readers. Effortless for the user, therefore accessible and frequently used.

  • Reply 82 of 139
    Samsung - we've copied the phone and tablet world. Now let's try copying the heart-winning experience.
  • Reply 83 of 139

    I don't get it. First Samsung mocks the queue's for the new iPhone then they try to work out how they can get the same reaction for their POS phones? 

     

    Curiouser and curiouser.

  • Reply 84 of 139
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    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post



    Gonna be TV shopping pretty soon. The small one in the bedroom I'm replacing is a Samsung, which I've been fairly happy with, picturewise—the menu structure is unbelievably idiotic, but what are you gonna do?



    No of course, I wouldn't buy anything from those crooks, but when it comes to chaebol business ethics, is the Lucky Group any better? Anybody know?



    (No, "LG" does not stand for "Life's Good".)

     

    Are you kidding? No.

    And yes, I own a LG HDTV. If I knew the HDMI connectivity issues and even the analog VGA syncing issues I would have, I would never have bought it. WORST TV EVER. 
  • Reply 85 of 139
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    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post



    I do remember that there were lines for the first Motorola Droid, but after that there has been none.

     

    It's called learning the hard way <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 86 of 139
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    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post



    Gonna be TV shopping pretty soon. The small one in the bedroom I'm replacing is a Samsung, which I've been fairly happy with, picturewise—the menu structure is unbelievably idiotic, but what are you gonna do?



    No of course, I wouldn't buy anything from those crooks, but when it comes to chaebol business ethics, is the Lucky Group any better? Anybody know?



    (No, "LG" does not stand for "Life's Good".)

    Lucky-Goldstar. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 87 of 139
    I wouldn't be surprised if the next Galaxy has a gold option
  • Reply 88 of 139
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    Originally Posted by Dunks View Post

     

    Let's see how Samsung manage the Android->Tizen transition.

     


    Believe it or not, they're actually not that stupid. They'll keep selling 2,341 phones with Android and 2479 phones with Tizen. People who don't want Tizen will continue with Android. People who are brave enough to try Tizen will leave Android. Either way, the loss of one will be absorbed by the profit of the other.

     

    Though I strongly feel that Tizen would be colossal disaster. First of all - consumer fragmentation. Second - massively buggy (like all Samsung software). Third - developer fragmentation. Fourth - no design aesthetics (to be fair, to Android users, even http://bit.ly/1aTg5wj is a beauty to behold). And well there's fifth - iOS and its brilliant ecosystem with iPhone.

     

    If Samsung sticks with Android, sooner or later, it's game over. If they try Tizen, who knows again, what will happen. Would be kinda fun to watch though.

  • Reply 89 of 139
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    Originally Posted by stoutie View Post



    Dear Samsung, the Apple mystique is really quite simple: you never see customers applauding people walking out of a McDonald's. That's why you will never see customers applauding when someone walks out of a store with a Samsung phone. It's the product, stupid. Try innovating instead of imitating.

     

    Now Innovation really never has been Samsung's thing. They do what they are best at "Cloning" and then wonder why people love iPhones.



    INNOVATE !! Work Hard instead of Copying , and be ETHICAL !
  • Reply 90 of 139
    A tacky company, that Samsung. They're on my no fly list.

    Lemon Bon BOn.
  • Reply 91 of 139
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post

     

    I don't know about that. They do make a lot of the parts that go into Apple products so it can't be all crap. They also build a lot of quality hardware like TVs, home appliances, and some industrial equipment. The crap part is their business ethics and their lack of creativity. The main reason Samsung phones are inferior to Apple's is that Android is crap compared to iOS.


    I just purchased 2 new TV's in the last 3 weeks I looked at Samsung crap and decided to purchase Vizio I think I purchased a better QUALITY TV.

  • Reply 92 of 139
    @mstone
    They also make a vacuum cleaner that looks surprisingly like a Dyson. Oh wait... They're being sued by Dyson for that.

    Nothing from those crook copiers will ever be in my home.
  • Reply 93 of 139
    Samsung simply has no taste.
  • Reply 94 of 139
    Samsung, wow, jealous much? You know, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

    It's the quality of product they build. Customers' confidence that each new one will be better than the last. Great customer service. The fact that it's actually FUN to buy something in their store, the sales staff is always so full of energy, it's an amazing experience. Their awesome ecosystem of hardware and software that always just works so seamlessly together. Their products are just fun to hold (this is something even I don't have words for. If you find the answer to this, tell me why.) THAT, my friends, is why we line up for Apple's, and ONLY Apple's, products.
  • Reply 95 of 139

    Samesung is a cloner company making cheap knockoffs.  They copy everything Apple does.  Why would i want a crappy copy when i can buy the real thing in an iPhone?  Samesung, can pay off analysts and bloggers, but they can not buy off the educated public.  I will never buy anything with the Samesung logo on the outside, and i do my best to get everyone i know to do the same.

     

    Perhaps if Samesung did not steal everything from Apple and actually did something for themselves perceptions might change.

  • Reply 96 of 139
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     Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post



    Gonna be TV shopping pretty soon. The small one in the bedroom I'm replacing is a Samsung, which I've been fairly happy with, picturewise—the menu structure is unbelievably idiotic, but what are you gonna do?



    No of course, I wouldn't buy anything from those crooks, but when it comes to chaebol business ethics, is the Lucky Group any better? Anybody know?



    (No, "LG" does not stand for "Life's Good".)


    I have a "wonderful" +5-year-old LG refrigerator. Every year they send me $3 and change, because they lied about how much energy it uses.

  • Reply 97 of 139
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post

     

    Okay...Is that just your opinion or are there reputable experts who have published something like this? Why are their appliances so popular then? For example their refrigerators and laundry machines get 4.5 stars on both Home Depot and Lowe's.


     

    It's easy for someone to give a review on a brand new product, or even one that's only a few months old. If you make it past the warranty period and leave a review, it probably still works good for now. Give it a little more time, and that's when the problems happen and you forget all about that review you did on some website. 

     


    Case in point: I bought a new Samescum NX1100 camera (Nikon N-Series knockoff) from Sam's Club, and Samescum gives away the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 with purchase. The Tab is a joke, and the camera completely quit working after about 50 pictures. The replacement wasn't much better. I ended up just returning it for good. Oh, and Samescum didn't recognize the serial numbers of either for warranty registration!


     


    I know 2 people who've owned 2 other Samescum products: 1) refrigerator - nothing but problems from the day he bought it. The replacement from Lowe's started acting up after about 6 months. 2) TV - after about 2 years, the backlight started flaking out. Good thing he opted for Geek Squad warranty, or he would've been out almost $2,000 to replace it. 


     


    Lesson learned: I'll never buy a Samsung product again, and neither will they. Samescum may make some good components, but they seriously have problems putting them all together into one finished product. 
  • Reply 98 of 139
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 14,807moderator
    "Other companies release new phones, but there's not as much passion and heat," one Samsung operative said. "It's only Apple. Why? We're curious."

    Originality, quality, focus, integrity, useful innovation, attention to detail, adhering to strong design principles, integrated eco-system, useful services, good customer support, to name a few. Some of these can be bought, many of them can't and their association with the brand doesn't happen overnight.

    Samsung is a good component manufacturer, one of the best. Their SSDs are best in class as are their display panels. They aren't good at wrapping those components into a quality product. A company that does make quality Android products is HTC and they are struggling financially. If Samsung bought HTC, put all Samsung parts inside an HTC design, put out a limited number of models and put their marketing behind it, I think they'd get a bit more respect for their products.

    However, that would still be missing out on many of the above items and the combination of those is what separates Apple. The business model Apple's competitors use doesn't allow all of these traits to come together. They don't all have their own stores, have a long history of rocking the technology industry, have a history of doing very few things well rather than a try everything and see what happens approach, they rely on 3rd party hardware and/or software, much of their customer support lies with their resellers and they put marketing ahead of product design.

    When people invest in an eco-system, there is a reliance on it and there is an expectation that the eco-system will not just be dependable today but far into the future. Samsung markets things for today but there is no indication that they will deliver something amazing further down the line without a company like Apple to lead the way. Followers follow leaders. Samsung is a follower and essentially a middle-man to original ideas.

    Integrity comes pretty high up. You can't be disingenuous in your approach to an industry and expect a genuine sentiment in return.
  • Reply 99 of 139
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    Originally Posted by bullhead View Post

     

    Samesung is a cloner company making cheap knockoffs.  They copy everything Apple does.  Why would i want a crappy copy when i can buy the real thing in an iPhone?  Samesung, can pay off analysts and bloggers, but they can not buy off the educated public.  I will never buy anything with the Samesung logo on the outside, and i do my best to get everyone i know to do the same.

     

    Perhaps if Samesung did not steal everything from Apple and actually did something for themselves perceptions might change.


     

    Now they're copying Dyson... 

     


    Oh, and I recently found out my Maytag Neptune washer was made by Samescum. It leaks water onto the circuit board, and it's a fire hazard. Their solution? They sent me a GFI adapter to plug it into so it kicks if/when it shorts out instead of fixing the leak (3 years out of warranty). That's how you do it, Samescum style. 
  • Reply 100 of 139
    mstone wrote: »
    Okay...Is that just your opinion or are there reputable experts who have published something like this? Why are their appliances so popular then? For example their refrigerators and laundry machines get 4.5 stars on both Home Depot and Lowe's.

    Don't forget Scamsung employ fake reviewers to boost their own ratings an damage competitors reviews as they did with HTC.
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