After its disastrous Exynos 5 Octa, Samsung may have lost Apple's A7 contract to TSMC

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  • Reply 321 of 391
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member
    Hey Daniel,

    Is TSMC still making the A7?
  • Reply 322 of 391
    Applewellian's argument is sound. Apple top brass may not be happy with Samsung in general, but they won't let that get in the way of pragmatic business decisions. I do think that TSMc will eventually end up making A-series chips for Apple if nothing else because Apple (and supply chain guru Tim Cook specifically) hates to put all his eggs into the basket of a single source. That's Supply Chain 101. Also, whenever that happens, that foundry would most likely be in the United States. the US still is a leader for microprocessor design and manufacturing, even if final assembly for the products they drive are largely in China. But let's say that tomorrow TSMC had a facility in Taiwan that could satisfy all of Apple's manufacturing goals without the need of Samsung..would they do it?

    The short answer is no. Moving production completely off shore would be a huge political firestorm for the company at a time where Tim Cook has pledged more Apple manufacuturing jobs in he US. And has been previously stated, Apple continues to invest in he Austin facility which employs a lot of people. There's already been news of TSMC looking for a manufacturing site in the US which is tough to hide despite Apple's secrecy.

    Appleinsider mostly provides good Apple news, but these fan boyish rants sometimes have no basis in reality or common sense. CEOs and board members are passionate people but if you start making business decisions that way, you will fail horribly. Steve Jobs learned that in his second act at Apple. Tim Cook has always known that. The media that covers Apple needs to get a grip.
  • Reply 323 of 391
    One more comment to Applewellian...if you think that Apple isn't going to address the file system issue, then you haven't been paying attention on that front. We'd be using ZFS by now were it not the IP issues involved in using it. And it also involves the central problem of a critical piece of tech that Apple does not control. And it was made for the data center, not for mobile devices.

    My opinion is that Apple decided to punt on ZFS and start over from the ground up, knowing it was going to take years until they got something that would suit their needs from OS X to iOS. We'll only see it when it's ready...not before. HFS has had a pretty good run, but nothing lasts forever. We'll see what they have planned soon enough.
  • Reply 324 of 391
    Sorry to burst your bubble: Samsung makes the A7. Samsung is a juggernaut and Apple just can't match the quality elsewhere.

    http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/167070-iphone-5s-reverse-engineered-confirms-a7-soc-produced-by-samsung-reveals-m7

    http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/20/apple-iphone-5ss-a7-samsung-m7-nxp/
  • Reply 325 of 391
    AppleInsider confirms that A7 is made by the same process as 'disastrous Exynos' http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/20/samsung-confirmed-to-be-manufacturer-of-apples-new-a7-chip-in-iphone-5s
  • Reply 326 of 391
    zephzeph Posts: 133member
    So now that it is known the A7 is in fact manufactured by Samsung, we are left with an embarrassing but hugely entertaining piece of conjecture that only served to reinforce the beliefs of Apple enthusiasts?

    It was fun to read, though. Now, AI, go wipe that egg off your face.
  • Reply 327 of 391
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zeph View Post



    So now that it is known the A7 is in fact manufactured by Samsung, we are left with an embarrassing but hugely entertaining piece of conjecture that only served to reinforce the beliefs of Apple enthusiasts?



    It was fun to read, though. Now, AI, go wipe that egg off your face.

     

    Given that this is a rumour site, not a news site, what egg?

     

    Prompt discussion based on piecing together links in a chain.

     

    Mission successful.

  • Reply 328 of 391
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

     

     

    Given that this is a rumour site, not a news site, what egg?

     

    Prompt discussion based on piecing together links in a chain.

     

    Mission successful.


     

    It's one thing to report *insider* rumors, but it's a completely another matter to start *outsider* "rumors" by deliberately misrepresenting/spinning as DED does a bit too often.  

    Just look at all those poor confused fanboys whose heads are about to blow up.

  • Reply 329 of 391

    @Sevenfeet

     

    1.  Apple has not and never will invest in Samsung's Austin Texas Semi-conductor Plant. Samsung not only owns it, as only they can as a Foreign Trade Zone, but they built it with their own World's Top rated construction company. That not only builds their own building here, but major construction projects from the east coast to the west coast. Samsung is also the builder of the largest Ocean Oil Platforms, Super Freighters and the first ever Compressed Natural Gas Floating Containment Ship that's more like a City, it's so big, to supply Japan w/ Natural Gas. That project's cost has exceeded $55 Billion Dollars! .......and then on top of that they built the The Burj Dubai. Which is still the tallest building that man has ever built today!

     

    2. Samsung has been the largest single corporate investor in America (Apple's own backyard) for the last 3yrs running. Where do you think that leaves Apple on that list of direct investments in their own country? CiCi Top 15 has never seen Apple listed and in reality there are over 40 companies that invest more in America than Apple. No other corporation in the World, whether electronics or some other field has even come close to what Samsung has been investing here. Which is in all sum totals.... equals over $16 Billion, twice what Apple pays them for parts.  In reality not a single penny of that investment is from Apple and you can't count the extraneous cost of their parts as an investment either. Because it's Samsung that pays those employees and buys the materials, along with building the plants and equipment to make it all their parts with.  Not even the biggest, most foolish crooks on Wall St are pretending any of Samsung's investments as Apple's!

     

    3. The A7 contract is not new. In fact it has nothing to do with the contract that Apple signed with Samsung Semi-conductor just recently. That contract is a renewal contract for Apple's continued purchase of processors to be fabricated by Samsung, because TSMC failed at converting Apple's chips to their Intel process. Yes.... TSMC is a big foundry, but Samsung Foundry Division alone is knocking on their heels and no way does TSMC have the shear power or bank account to stop them, from becoming the #2 Foundry in the World next to Intel in processors. They already are the largest memory maker in the World, supplying some 35% of the World's needs!     .....and in this case Apple has absolutely no choice, but to use Samsung to make their processors!

     

    4. Samsung is a vital partner to many Electronics firms around the World. Their memory is 2nd to none and isn't even a part of their #1 in the World Electronics division alone. Samsung Austin Semiconductor Plant has many more customers than Apple now too, besides themselves. Which includes recent wins from TSMC with Qualcomm, Nvidia, Broadcom and others. Not to mention Texas Instruments and at least a dozen or more unnamed customers who simply put their own name on Samsung's chips!   ......like Apple!!!

     

    Let me remind you that Steve Jobs is the primary reason Apple used Samsung as a surrogate to get at Google Android with his failed Thermonuclear War. Tim was at least smart enough to avoid pissing off a Electronics Company alone near twice their size in volume and revenue alone as their main parts supplier. The others get spread out because unlike Samsung they don't own their own fabrication technology!

     

    Steve Jobs was the king of Flim Flam and FUD. So self righteous was he, that he put his own name on ideas and patents he simply was never responsible for. No other CEO in history has been any more of a bona fide Megalomaniac than Steve Jobs was! If he was so great, how is Apple doing anything w/o him? One man does not a company make and one company never owns an entire market. Because if they did, that company would be Samsung over Apple!

  • Reply 330 of 391
    :rolleyes:Quote:

    Originally Posted by Applewellian View Post

     

    @Sevenfeet ; Here's some facts that you Apple fans can't see the facts for iFantasy you live in for. 

     

    1.  Apple has not and never will invest in Samsung's Austin Texas Semi-conductor Plant. Samsung not only owns it, as only they can as a Foreign Trade Zone, but they built it with their own World's Top rated construction company. That not only builds their own building here, but major construction projects from the east coast to the west coast. Samsung is also the builder of the largest Ocean Oil Platforms, Super Freighters and the first ever Compressed Natural Gas Floating Containment Ship that's more like a City, it's so big, to supply Japan w/ Natural Gas. That project's cost has exceeded $55 Billion Dollars! .......and then on top of that they built the The Burj Dubai. Which is still the tallest building that man has ever built today!

     

    2. Samsung has been the largest single corporate investor in America (Apple's own backyard) for the last 3yrs running. Where do you think that leaves Apple on that list of direct investments in their own country? CiCi Top 15 has never seen Apple listed and in reality there are over 40 companies that invest more in America than Apple. No other corporation in the World, whether electronics or some other field has even come close to what Samsung has been investing here. Which is in all sum totals.... equals over $16 Billion, twice what Apple pays them for parts.  In reality not a single penny of that investment is from Apple and you can't count the extraneous cost of their parts as an investment either. Because it's Samsung that pays those employees and buys the materials, along with building the plants and equipment to make it all their parts with.  Not even the biggest, most foolish crooks on Wall St are pretending any of Samsung's investments as Apple's!

     

    3. The A7 contract is not new. In fact it has nothing to do with the contract that Apple signed with Samsung Semi-conductor just recently. That contract is a renewal contract for Apple's continued purchase of processors to be fabricated by Samsung, because TSMC failed at converting Apple's chips to their Intel process. Yes.... TSMC is a big foundry, but Samsung Foundry Division alone is knocking on their heels and no way does TSMC have the shear power or bank account to stop them, from becoming the #2 Foundry in the World next to Intel in processors. They already are the largest memory maker in the World, supplying some 35% of the World's needs!     .....and in this case Apple has absolutely no choice, but to use Samsung to make their processors!

     

    4. Samsung is a vital partner to many Electronics firms around the World. Their memory is 2nd to none and isn't even a part of their #1 in the World Electronics division alone. Samsung Austin Semiconductor Plant has many more customers than Apple now too, besides themselves. Which includes recent wins from TSMC with Qualcomm, Nvidia, Broadcom and others. Not to mention Texas Instruments and at least a dozen or more unnamed customers who simply put their own name on Samsung's chips!   ......like Apple!!!

     

    Let me remind you that Steve Jobs (w/ his cancerous inflicted Anti-Google hatred) is the primary reason Apple used Samsung as a surrogate to get at Google Android with his failed Thermonuclear War. Tim was at least smart enough to avoid pissing off a Electronics Company alone near twice their size in volume and revenue alone as their main parts supplier. The others get spread out because unlike Samsung they don't own their own fabrication technology!

     

    Steve Jobs was the king of Flim Flam and FUD. So self righteous was he, that he put his own name on ideas and patents he simply was never responsible for. No other CEO in history has been any more of a bona fide Megalomaniac than Steve Jobs was! ......and he compares more to Hitler than he does to an Einstein or Edison or Tesla. If he was so great, how is Apple doing anything w/o him? One man does not a company make and one company never owns an entire market. Because if they did, that company would be Samsung over Apple!


     

    wow! iGuess samescum is the greatest thing ever, you are the smartest shill ever --- and Apple? so lame...we "fanboys" are so screwed with peeps like this on samescums side,huh?

    :rolleyes:

  • Reply 331 of 391

    @RogueDogRandy  lol..... that's got to be the lamest response in history. Is that all you can do. I can do that too, but I certainly didn't invent CrApple or I'd want to be paid for every time it's been used and obviously it's referring to Apple! :DDD

  • Reply 332 of 391
    Tim was at least smart enough to avoid pissing off a Electronics Company alone near twice their size in volume and revenue alone as their main parts supplier.

    That can't be right, right? Apple is half the size in volume and revenue while Samsung has 5 times the number of employees and exists twice as long. Either Samsueing is doing something very wrong, business-wise, or could it be Apple is doing the exact opposite?
  • Reply 333 of 391
    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post
    That can't be right, right? Apple is half the size in volume and revenue while Samsung has 5 times the number of employees and exists twice as long. Either Samsueing is doing something very wrong, business-wise, or could it be Apple is doing the exact opposite?

     

    Why someone named “Applewellian” wasn’t banned after his first post is confusing, but at least it’s done now.

  • Reply 334 of 391
    Why someone named “Applewellian” wasn’t banned after his first post is confusing, but at least it’s done now.

    Oops, so I answered someone who now can't reply. Oh well.


    BTW, this 'banned tag, it's not permanent, right? I see two people back, one to the North/West of me and one to the South¡
  • Reply 335 of 391
    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post
    BTW, this 'banned tag, it's not permanent, right? I see two people back, one to the North/West of me and one to the South¡

     

    There’s no distinction between Kicked and Banned anymore, so temporary bans use the same banner.

  • Reply 336 of 391
    There’s no distinction between Kicked and Banned anymore, so temporary bans use the same banner.

    Wow, didn't know there was a temp situation available, only heard of infractions. Learn something everyday here. Tnx
  • Reply 337 of 391
    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post
    Wow, didn't know there was a temp situation available, only heard of infractions. Learn something everyday here. Tnx

     

    Infractions stack if you get enough before one expires, and after… geez, what was it… 5 simultaneous unexpired it’s a 3-day kick, 8 it’s 5, and 10 unexpired infractions auto-bans. Of course, the time it takes for an infraction to expire can also be changed (one day to never), as well as the number of points per single infraction.

  • Reply 338 of 391
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,176member
    Infractions stack if you get enough before one expires, and after… geez, what was it… 5 simultaneous unexpired it’s a 3-day kick, 8 it’s 5, and 10 unexpired infractions auto-bans. Of course, the time it takes for an infraction to expire can also be changed (one day to never), as well as the number of points per single infraction.

    As I understand it there's no longer a set number of infractions that leads to a ban. That's what I was told anyway. Thanks too for the mention that infractions may not expire after a set time depending on circumstances.
  • Reply 339 of 391
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post
    As I understand it there's no longer a set number of infractions that leads to a ban.

     

    I don’t think there ever was in terms of the protocol of the forum, but Huddler does it automatically at those levels. And yes, a temporary ban can be set manually.

  • Reply 340 of 391
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,176member
    Thanks TS. Certainly helps.
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