You would never know Jony Ives cared about iOS7, he didn't even do it himself. Marketing people did it. Fanatical attention to detail, don't see it in iOS7. Jony Ives should "retire".
Marketing people did it? Seriously? How long have you been following Apple?
You would never know Jony Ives cared about iOS7, he didn't even do it himself. Marketing people did it. Fanatical attention to detail, don't see it in iOS7. Jony Ives should "retire".
1. If you are an Apple user you just upgrade, no matter what. The punishment for refusing to upgrade is to be left out in the cold in less than a year.
2. As bad as iOS7 is, it still works better than the competition. And we'll all make it work. We have no choice. The competition is far worse.
3. Despite the fact that iOS7 is still better than the competition, IT SUCKS in many, many ways. Many of the features that are describes a "skeumorphism" are actually very helpful and allow the user to operate faster. The question is partly if iOS7 is fast, and also is it conducive to making the user faster and more accurate. The flat look and lack of color definition (Jeez guys...colors exist for a reason...what if fire trucks were all painted white) makes the user slow down. There is time wasted in Reminders while you wait for completed items to sort themselves to the top of the page whereas they used to go instantly to someplace useful.
Can I use it..of course. Do I find it more work...absolutely. Do I think they ought to let Jony Ive go back to hardware...No...I think they should send him to JC Penney to complete the disaster there.
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to Who Is Jonathan Ive Anyway? The show where everything’s meticulously designed and the specs don’t matter, that’s right, the specs are like Ballmer at MacWorld.
1. If you are an Apple user you just upgrade, no matter what. The punishment for refusing to upgrade is to be left out in the cold in less than a year.
2. As bad as iOS7 is, it still works better than the competition. And we'll all make it work. We have no choice. The competition is far worse.
3. Despite the fact that iOS7 is still better than the competition, IT SUCKS in many, many ways. Many of the features that are describes a "skeumorphism" are actually very helpful and allow the user to operate faster. The question is partly if iOS7 is fast, and also is it conducive to making the user faster and more accurate. The flat look and lack of color definition (Jeez guys...colors exist for a reason...what if fire trucks were all painted white) makes the user slow down. There is time wasted in Reminders while you wait for completed items to sort themselves to the top of the page whereas they used to go instantly to someplace useful.
Can I use it..of course. Do I find it more work...absolutely. Do I think they ought to let Jony Ive go back to hardware...No...I think they should send him to JC Penney to complete the disaster there.
Hmm..I know several people who haven't upgraded because iOS 6 works fine for them. And I know plenty of people who upgraded to iOS 7 and like it. I'd love to know one thing that accurately fits the definition of skeuomorphism that allows people to operate faster. iOS 7 is a version 1.0 product. It will take several more versions before we get a truly polished product. Doesn't mean it wasn't right for Apple to shake things up. Plus it's not like iOS 6 didn't have bugs. Heck, maps is still a steaming pile of crap for a lot of people outside the USA. And Apple still can't match the Google's and Amazon's of the world when it comes to online services. Remind me again why Apple has to take the store down for several hours in order to update it? Those are all issues that existed well before iOS 7. And as far as Jony going back to hardware, um, how can he go back to something he never left?
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to Who Is Jonathan Ive Anyway? The show where everything’s meticulously designed and the specs don’t matter, that’s right, the specs are like Ballmer at MacWorld.
No you were supposed to say he's the devil and needs to be banished from Apple forever. Long live Scott Forstall! :smokey:
I may be using my terms incorrectly. But what I mean is that greater definition between groups of fields (E.G. in Contacts) makes it easier and therefore faster to locate fields for data entry. Another example would be color. If there were color definition in addition to defined field boundaries for, lets say, addresses it would be faster to go there.
An interesting example of this would be a fighter cockpit where the displays use color to aid a very busy pilot in gathering data rapidly and accurately in an environment where total accuracy in a very short period of time is critical. How things are displayed can make an enormous difference in how rapidly things are located and interpreted.
In Contacts (to make the example consistent) we now have light gray, lighter gray, a little pale blue and all mounted on a really bright white background. Even after using iOS7 for hours each day (I upgraded on day one) I still have to read the (pale blue, small letter) titles to accurately locate where to input data.
What this thread shows is people might forget how awesome iOS 1-6 was. Apple got the highest rating from customers on the base of the OS Forstall created.
So yes, iOS 6 was awesome, even though tech pundits said otherwise. And the proof is how people reacted to iOS 7. It's hard to top iOS 6.
But yes, iOS 7 is the new beginning. It's not perfect. If Apple listens to customers, if they're really paying attention like they said then we will love it in a not-for-long future.
A funny thing just happened. Switched from my laptop to my iPhone and had to log in to AI. Now I'm using the keyboard that used to be in ios6. What a relief. Bigger tiles to touch. Easy to read. Few errors. Better background that sets off the letter tiles.
I have an idea. Please Apple. Give us a "Classic" version of iOS7. One that looks like iOS6. Then all the techies can have their new, bland tasteless look that is a pain in the ass for most if us. The rest if us (probably 90%) of total users can then get back to something that works.
Y'all got to remember that Apple nearly self destructed the first time Steve was not the guiding light.
Sorry Ive, you should stick with hardware, based on how to did with iOS7...
IO7 is a vast improvement in design and functionality, it just seems fashionable to bash it for reasons of personal taste. IOS forstall seems ancient in comparison
Can’t put a spare room up there. Can’t turn it into a livable space. Too hot in summer, too cold in winter. That’s what Apple does. They make home theaters out of unfinished basements and patios out of overgrown backyards.
And once they do, everyone else starts doing the same and then claims it was obvious to do so from the beginning.
I think this thread points out a clear difference in thinking between people. Some people only see the function of an object, and as long as it does that function "well enough", they're satisfied. Others see the function of an object, and believe that function can always be refined, made simpler, and even possibly be made more enjoyable by a little creative thinking and a lot of hard work. The latter is what Apple does.
When the "well enough" type of people first see an object created by the latter people, they'll immediately decry that it's unnecessary and only done that way for the sake of charging more. After some more exposure to that object, the experience will eventually sink in. However, because they were so adamant in their original position, they're unwilling to let go of their ego and give credit where credit is due. Then, when another company copies that experience and is able to do it cheaper (because they didn't have to invest the time and hire the right people), they'll decry that it was obvious and scurry to find examples of where it was done before.
It's sad really -- I honestly think it stems from jealousy from those who just don't have a mind to see beyond the "here and now" to "what's possible".
I may be using my terms incorrectly. But what I mean is that greater definition between groups of fields (E.G. in Contacts) makes it easier and therefore faster to locate fields for data entry. Another example would be color. If there were color definition in addition to defined field boundaries for, lets say, addresses it would be faster to go there.
An interesting example of this would be a fighter cockpit where the displays use color to aid a very busy pilot in gathering data rapidly and accurately in an environment where total accuracy in a very short period of time is critical. How things are displayed can make an enormous difference in how rapidly things are located and interpreted.
In Contacts (to make the example consistent) we now have light gray, lighter gray, a little pale blue and all mounted on a really bright white background. Even after using iOS7 for hours each day (I upgraded on day one) I still have to read the (pale blue, small letter) titles to accurately locate where to input data.
Does this make any sense to you at all?
It's a damn phone, not a life or death situation. Besides if you using it more and more, you should be able to learn/remember where everything is.
A funny thing just happened. Switched from my laptop to my iPhone and had to log in to AI. Now I'm using the keyboard that used to be in ios6. What a relief. Bigger tiles to touch. Easy to read. Few errors. Better background that sets off the letter tiles.
I have an idea. Please Apple. Give us a "Classic" version of iOS7. One that looks like iOS6. Then all the techies can have their new, bland tasteless look that is a pain in the ass for most if us. The rest if us (probably 90%) of total users can then get back to something that works.
Y'all got to remember that Apple nearly self destructed the first time Steve was not the guiding light.
People complained about OS X 10.0. Apple did just fine.
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Marketing people did it? Seriously? How long have you been following Apple?
Psychotic nonsense. Stop.
Opinion.
1. If you are an Apple user you just upgrade, no matter what. The punishment for refusing to upgrade is to be left out in the cold in less than a year.
2. As bad as iOS7 is, it still works better than the competition. And we'll all make it work. We have no choice. The competition is far worse.
3. Despite the fact that iOS7 is still better than the competition, IT SUCKS in many, many ways. Many of the features that are describes a "skeumorphism" are actually very helpful and allow the user to operate faster. The question is partly if iOS7 is fast, and also is it conducive to making the user faster and more accurate. The flat look and lack of color definition (Jeez guys...colors exist for a reason...what if fire trucks were all painted white) makes the user slow down. There is time wasted in Reminders while you wait for completed items to sort themselves to the top of the page whereas they used to go instantly to someplace useful.
Can I use it..of course. Do I find it more work...absolutely. Do I think they ought to let Jony Ive go back to hardware...No...I think they should send him to JC Penney to complete the disaster there.
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to Who Is Jonathan Ive Anyway? The show where everything’s meticulously designed and the specs don’t matter, that’s right, the specs are like Ballmer at MacWorld.
Hmm..I know several people who haven't upgraded because iOS 6 works fine for them. And I know plenty of people who upgraded to iOS 7 and like it. I'd love to know one thing that accurately fits the definition of skeuomorphism that allows people to operate faster. iOS 7 is a version 1.0 product. It will take several more versions before we get a truly polished product. Doesn't mean it wasn't right for Apple to shake things up. Plus it's not like iOS 6 didn't have bugs. Heck, maps is still a steaming pile of crap for a lot of people outside the USA. And Apple still can't match the Google's and Amazon's of the world when it comes to online services. Remind me again why Apple has to take the store down for several hours in order to update it? Those are all issues that existed well before iOS 7. And as far as Jony going back to hardware, um, how can he go back to something he never left?
I may be using my terms incorrectly. But what I mean is that greater definition between groups of fields (E.G. in Contacts) makes it easier and therefore faster to locate fields for data entry. Another example would be color. If there were color definition in addition to defined field boundaries for, lets say, addresses it would be faster to go there.
An interesting example of this would be a fighter cockpit where the displays use color to aid a very busy pilot in gathering data rapidly and accurately in an environment where total accuracy in a very short period of time is critical. How things are displayed can make an enormous difference in how rapidly things are located and interpreted.
In Contacts (to make the example consistent) we now have light gray, lighter gray, a little pale blue and all mounted on a really bright white background. Even after using iOS7 for hours each day (I upgraded on day one) I still have to read the (pale blue, small letter) titles to accurately locate where to input data.
Does this make any sense to you at all?
Whoops. That last comment was for Rogifan
What this thread shows is people might forget how awesome iOS 1-6 was. Apple got the highest rating from customers on the base of the OS Forstall created.
So yes, iOS 6 was awesome, even though tech pundits said otherwise. And the proof is how people reacted to iOS 7. It's hard to top iOS 6.
But yes, iOS 7 is the new beginning. It's not perfect. If Apple listens to customers, if they're really paying attention like they said then we will love it in a not-for-long future.
Cheers,
I have an idea. Please Apple. Give us a "Classic" version of iOS7. One that looks like iOS6. Then all the techies can have their new, bland tasteless look that is a pain in the ass for most if us. The rest if us (probably 90%) of total users can then get back to something that works.
Y'all got to remember that Apple nearly self destructed the first time Steve was not the guiding light.
I wonder if Marc Newson will Join / work with Apple in one way or another.
IO7 is a vast improvement in design and functionality, it just seems fashionable to bash it for reasons of personal taste. IOS forstall seems ancient in comparison
Can’t put a spare room up there. Can’t turn it into a livable space. Too hot in summer, too cold in winter. That’s what Apple does. They make home theaters out of unfinished basements and patios out of overgrown backyards.
And once they do, everyone else starts doing the same and then claims it was obvious to do so from the beginning.
I think this thread points out a clear difference in thinking between people. Some people only see the function of an object, and as long as it does that function "well enough", they're satisfied. Others see the function of an object, and believe that function can always be refined, made simpler, and even possibly be made more enjoyable by a little creative thinking and a lot of hard work. The latter is what Apple does.
When the "well enough" type of people first see an object created by the latter people, they'll immediately decry that it's unnecessary and only done that way for the sake of charging more. After some more exposure to that object, the experience will eventually sink in. However, because they were so adamant in their original position, they're unwilling to let go of their ego and give credit where credit is due. Then, when another company copies that experience and is able to do it cheaper (because they didn't have to invest the time and hire the right people), they'll decry that it was obvious and scurry to find examples of where it was done before.
It's sad really -- I honestly think it stems from jealousy from those who just don't have a mind to see beyond the "here and now" to "what's possible".
It's a damn phone, not a life or death situation. Besides if you using it more and more, you should be able to learn/remember where everything is.
People complained about OS X 10.0. Apple did just fine.