Thin svelte dark haired man in suit slowly walks toward screen and says,"Mike Dell has succombed to the allure of the ipod, yes, impossible you say, well only possible when traversing the inner roads of the Twilight Zone"
Or
Screen fades to a dot and then a sine wave appears and a bold loud voice announces" we have taken "control of your screen"
-from the Outer Limits.
unbelievable-the world has some how become inverted.
Apple diversifying is a good sign. They need to get those obscene board fattening profits from somewhere (heaven know the shareholder never gets to see them). They, by now, must have realized that ALL computer makers MUST compete on price, a situation only exacerbated by the evolution of computers. Just as machines are now powerful enough for any Office task (the core PC market) they will by the time the deacde is out be powerful enough for any artistic task (the core Apple market). No need to buy a $3000 dollar system when a 2-3 year old machine or a $1000 machine will do the trick.
So they start making select consumer electronics, offering services and back-end solutions and eBusiness services, and agressive licensing contracts. Put that 4 Billion to work on something, it hasn't grown in 3+ years, better do something with it or eventually it'll only be good enough to ease the sting of liquidation.
[quote]Doesn't hurt to repeat the truth, Applenut.<hr></blockquote>
You are a retard.
[quote]And for heavens sake, a digital Camera please. It's time, the market is growing all the time, plenty of room for everyone, and lots of people willing to pay to upgrade.<hr></blockquote>
Because you're a facking expert on digital cameras, aren't you?
<strong>Just as machines are now powerful enough for any Office task (the core PC market) they will by the time the deacde is out be powerful enough for any artistic task (the core Apple market). No need to buy a $3000 dollar system when a 2-3 year old machine or a $1000 machine will do the trick.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Couldn't be more wrong. The more powerful machines become, the more we will push them to their failing point. Unless of course, you can't imagine what could be done with that power. We're getting brand spankin' new machines (finally!) that are over twice as fast as our current ones at the end of this year, and I have a bet with a co-worker that I will crash this machine and have rendering times back up to 8 hours by February.
Might take a bit more than a decade, but once you can render true photo-realism in real time, you won't need your work machines to do much more than that. And the closer you get, the more people lose their need to upgrade. First 2-d artists, then video pros, then 3-d pros. I have two PC's here. One is nearly 6 years old and it chugs right along fine through Office and internet tasks. You just CAN'T sell me an expensive machine for Office and communications anymore cause even a bargain basement PC pulls it off swimmingly. Now we have PC's that do the work only multi-thousand dollar editing studios could do 10-12 years before. Right now Apple is eating at high end business from underneath (or is trying to) 10-12 years from now?
There'll always be a pressing need for faster machines, but the pool of people who needs them will get smaller as time passes and technology advances. Moreover, the pool of people willing to pay for them shrinks when budget solutions start getting good enough.
I object to ebing called a quack. Retarded? Well genetics are hard to overcome, but no one in my family ever mated with a duck, we think <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>I object to ebing called a quack. Retarded? Well genetics are hard to overcome, but no one in my family ever mated with a duck, we think <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>Might take a bit more than a decade, but once you can render true photo-realism in real time, you won't need your work machines to do much more than that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You think replicating reality is the point of all this 3D technology? Like I said, those without the imagination to push the technology won't be the ones to do it.
I think once a computer can do the vast majority of what's requested from it instantaneously, or nearly so, then most people's, even most artists' demands will be satisfied. But there will be some who crave more (and who will find ways to put it to use)
Simulation and extreme levels of precision come to mind.
Oy people, I hope this is not another MS+PC vs. Apple thread. You people never seemed to get tired of this sh1t.
If Dell announced they are selling any other company's product, are you going to all "the sky is falling" all over it? I mean, HP is a much bigger competitor to Dell than Apple but no one ever goes apesh1t that Dell sell's HP's printers.
Look, the iPod is just another peripheral that Apple apparently believes can and should be sold via other retail channels e.g. Target and Dell. The reason why they think this is better is up to much speculation - Matsu will probably argue that Apple cannot sell enough of them on their own but others will probably say that Appple will sell more and make more $ albeit at lower margin That, is constructive argument.
Degenerating into another MS/PC/Dell vs AAPL? How trite. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
<strong>Oy people, I hope this is not another MS+PC vs. Apple thread. You people never seemed to get tired of this sh1t.
If Dell announced they are selling any other company's product, are you going to all "the sky is falling" all over it? I mean, HP is a much bigger competitor to Dell than Apple but no one ever goes apesh1t that Dell sell's HP's printers.
Look, the iPod is just another peripheral that Apple apparently believes can and should be sold via other retail channels e.g. Target and Dell. The reason why they think this is better is up to much speculation - Matsu will probably argue that Apple cannot sell enough of them on their own but others will probably say that Appple will sell more and make more $ albeit at lower margin That, is constructive argument.
Degenerating into another MS/PC/Dell vs AAPL? How trite. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
You seem to be missing the backstory to this. It's not Wintel vs. Apple, it's simply "wow, Dell is selling Apple's products." Sure, HP and Dell may be competitors, but in the end, they're box makers trying to push boxes out.
There differences Dell and Apple had to set aside here were more than market share disparities, they were historical and philosophical. Dell makes its money by peddling cheap black boxes to the masses. That rubs Apple the wrong way. Apple makes money by focusing on aesthetic appeal and creating a user-oriented computing environment. That rubs Dell the wrong way. Dell called for Apple to be dissolved and its shareholders compensated. Apple called Dell the Wal-Mart of the PC industry.
Ok, so the sky isn't falling, but the relationship is still noteworthy.
Well I found them on Dell's web site. It took awhile to find them but I finally did in the MP3 player section. They seem to only be selling the 10 and 20 GB versions.
<strong>Well I found them on Dell's web site. It took awhile to find them but I finally did in the MP3 player section. They seem to only be selling the 10 and 20 GB versions.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The 5 GB model should be listed eventually. It's probably just a clerical error. All 3 PC iPods are listed in the Small Business section.
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Thin svelte dark haired man in suit slowly walks toward screen and says,"Mike Dell has succombed to the allure of the ipod, yes, impossible you say, well only possible when traversing the inner roads of the Twilight Zone"
Or
Screen fades to a dot and then a sine wave appears and a bold loud voice announces" we have taken "control of your screen"
-from the Outer Limits.
unbelievable-the world has some how become inverted.
[ 10-30-2002: Message edited by: rickag ]</p>
Apple diversifying is a good sign. They need to get those obscene board fattening profits from somewhere (heaven know the shareholder never gets to see them). They, by now, must have realized that ALL computer makers MUST compete on price, a situation only exacerbated by the evolution of computers. Just as machines are now powerful enough for any Office task (the core PC market) they will by the time the deacde is out be powerful enough for any artistic task (the core Apple market). No need to buy a $3000 dollar system when a 2-3 year old machine or a $1000 machine will do the trick.
So they start making select consumer electronics, offering services and back-end solutions and eBusiness services, and agressive licensing contracts. Put that 4 Billion to work on something, it hasn't grown in 3+ years, better do something with it or eventually it'll only be good enough to ease the sting of liquidation.
You are a retard.
[quote]And for heavens sake, a digital Camera please. It's time, the market is growing all the time, plenty of room for everyone, and lots of people willing to pay to upgrade.<hr></blockquote>
Because you're a facking expert on digital cameras, aren't you?
Give it up, Matsu. You're a fraud.
Psst, anything I you just quoted there wrong? I think not. You act like you're holding stock in Foveon or something.
You're a very angry boy, I think you must be a self-hating Asian. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Just as machines are now powerful enough for any Office task (the core PC market) they will by the time the deacde is out be powerful enough for any artistic task (the core Apple market). No need to buy a $3000 dollar system when a 2-3 year old machine or a $1000 machine will do the trick.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Couldn't be more wrong. The more powerful machines become, the more we will push them to their failing point. Unless of course, you can't imagine what could be done with that power. We're getting brand spankin' new machines (finally!) that are over twice as fast as our current ones at the end of this year, and I have a bet with a co-worker that I will crash this machine and have rendering times back up to 8 hours by February.
There'll always be a pressing need for faster machines, but the pool of people who needs them will get smaller as time passes and technology advances. Moreover, the pool of people willing to pay for them shrinks when budget solutions start getting good enough.
<strong>I object to ebing called a quack. Retarded? Well genetics are hard to overcome, but no one in my family ever mated with a duck, we think <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>Might take a bit more than a decade, but once you can render true photo-realism in real time, you won't need your work machines to do much more than that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You think replicating reality is the point of all this 3D technology? Like I said, those without the imagination to push the technology won't be the ones to do it.
[very silly spelling tonight]
[ 10-30-2002: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</p>
Simulation and extreme levels of precision come to mind.
<strong>funny, first thing i said to a colleague was:
"Hell has officially frozen over."</strong><hr></blockquote>
My version was, DELL has frozen over
If Dell announced they are selling any other company's product, are you going to all "the sky is falling" all over it? I mean, HP is a much bigger competitor to Dell than Apple but no one ever goes apesh1t that Dell sell's HP's printers.
Look, the iPod is just another peripheral that Apple apparently believes can and should be sold via other retail channels e.g. Target and Dell. The reason why they think this is better is up to much speculation - Matsu will probably argue that Apple cannot sell enough of them on their own but others will probably say that Appple will sell more and make more $ albeit at lower margin That, is constructive argument.
Degenerating into another MS/PC/Dell vs AAPL? How trite. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
<strong>This will Defiantely help (...)</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
<strong>Oy people, I hope this is not another MS+PC vs. Apple thread. You people never seemed to get tired of this sh1t.
If Dell announced they are selling any other company's product, are you going to all "the sky is falling" all over it? I mean, HP is a much bigger competitor to Dell than Apple but no one ever goes apesh1t that Dell sell's HP's printers.
Look, the iPod is just another peripheral that Apple apparently believes can and should be sold via other retail channels e.g. Target and Dell. The reason why they think this is better is up to much speculation - Matsu will probably argue that Apple cannot sell enough of them on their own but others will probably say that Appple will sell more and make more $ albeit at lower margin That, is constructive argument.
Degenerating into another MS/PC/Dell vs AAPL? How trite. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
You seem to be missing the backstory to this. It's not Wintel vs. Apple, it's simply "wow, Dell is selling Apple's products." Sure, HP and Dell may be competitors, but in the end, they're box makers trying to push boxes out.
There differences Dell and Apple had to set aside here were more than market share disparities, they were historical and philosophical. Dell makes its money by peddling cheap black boxes to the masses. That rubs Apple the wrong way. Apple makes money by focusing on aesthetic appeal and creating a user-oriented computing environment. That rubs Dell the wrong way. Dell called for Apple to be dissolved and its shareholders compensated. Apple called Dell the Wal-Mart of the PC industry.
Ok, so the sky isn't falling, but the relationship is still noteworthy.
<strong>Degenerating into another MS/PC/Dell vs AAPL? How trite.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not exactly. Relationships between companies do play a big role. Think of what happened between Dell and HP recently?
<Dell> We want you to partner with us an make our OEM printers.
<HP> Um, what's in it for us?
<Dell> ...
<HP> ...
<Dell> Fine, we'll go with Lexmark instead!
<HP> F--- YOU!
<Dell> ...
Now Dell still has HP printers on its site, but they are supplied by distributors. They also don't feature prominently on the website.
Dell selling iPods is quite surprising.
[ 10-31-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
<strong>Well I found them on Dell's web site. It took awhile to find them but I finally did in the MP3 player section. They seem to only be selling the 10 and 20 GB versions.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The 5 GB model should be listed eventually. It's probably just a clerical error. All 3 PC iPods are listed in the Small Business section.
<strong>Sometimes, profits win over pride. Even Jobs's.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Or Mr. Dell's.